Tulpa dissipation

[Guest Anonymous]

Disclaimer; I have no intention of dissipating/killing my tulpa. Most threads by us are made for research and self-improvement.

 

I've already read everything from 2012 till now, it helped a lot to get to know how this community is/was like, and the overall views.

 

I was thinking about tulpa dissipation, though; As a host who is very close to his tulpa and to the topic of 'death', or rather, non-existence, it interests me how one can exactly kill/dissolve/dissipate a tulpa.

 

For hosts who did it:

 

Why? How did you do it? Did you use any forms of symbolism? Did you come to the conclusion that imagination is a lie in the concept of reality? (Not one over which I hold a specific position)

 

For those who didn't: What do you think, overall? Is it wrong to put an end to a tulpa's life? I feel like I'm asking the same questions that were posed in the past, but I'm not considering any of this, of course, I mean, this won't actually help us over the developmental plan but more of the structural, understanding the perception of 'death' other tulpas hold and whatnot. Cheers.

[Luminesce]

Dissipation is generally symbolism of the tulpa being removed from existence + ignorance of any thoughts relating to the tulpa, prolonged. Symbolism not required. A tulpa who is forgotten for a year can be brought back, or ignored further. They're not dead, just not around. "Dissipation" is more the act of making the decision to ignore them than anything fancy, because tulpas don't die. Although you might convince yourself so well that they're gone they're effectively dead, depends on the person.

 

In my experience, I tried to "dissipate" Scarlet after she was split from Flandre because she was effectively a negative influence on my tulpas and I, and I felt like she wasn't supposed to exist. So I made a big deal about it to myself, told myself I was killing her and I really shouldn't, she said she hated me and that was that. Didn't think of her again until well over a year later, months after I'd found tulpa.info. One day she popped up out of nowhere, said "No hard feelings?" and has been ~around since. Although she cares even less about being given attention than my other tulpas, just cares about our general well-being. As in screw whether I feel good or bad, but I better take care of the body.

 

Long story short though, "dissipating" her didn't do anything. I just didn't think of her again for a loooooong time, assumed she was totally gone, until one day she decided she was relevant to my life again and came back on her own. Killing tulpas is a myth.

[warriortiltheend]

I've made some tulpas over the years that I just kind of... forgot about. I remember them now, but I have no intention of bringing them back. They simply aren't relevant to my life anymore.

 

I think now that I know what tulpas are, I wouldn't do it unless I absolutely must. I don't think it's wrong depending on the situation, and in the end, like Luminesce said, tulpa death is a myth. They are only imaginary. They fade back into your mind, and can be brought back if you wish. I care a lot about my tulpas and wouldn't kill them- they'd have to become very awful for me to do that. They'd have to reach a point beyond reason. I don't think that will ever happen, though.

[wingsorsomething]

I've had dozens, really, that failed. By "failed" I mean that they never got very far in their development, or something went very wrong.

 

When I was younger and more clueless about...everything, I tried to make 12 at once. They were all vocal within a few days. It was too much for me to handle, and as I gave some of them malicious or incompatible personalities, I put all but four of them to rest. I did it in a symbolic way, I guess, by going to somewhere inside the mindscape and putting them into these sort of cryogenic tubes (possibly the most fantastic element in the place).

 

After a while, even those four were too much, so I put them into a deep sleep too. By the time Elsa came along, sort of by accident (I feel like I'm talking about children now, which makes this sound a lot darker), they were already too far gone to bring back. I've tried to reach them again, and they've just been asleep too long to fully come back, at least not without significant changes to who they were.

 

Not long after she came around, we tried to make a second. But he just wasn't working out. I was too busy to work on two at once. Trying to force with two at once made me feel exhausted, and Elsa, for all her help, was getting tired and snappish, too. It hurt us both to dissipate him.

 

So, I probably look like a real bastard, having "killed" so many tulpas. But, if it's not working out-if you don't get along at all (DISCLAIMER: THIS DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD DISSIPATE YOUR TULPA JUST BECAUSE YOU HAD AN ARGUMENT), if it's exhausting you, if it's impacting your life at all-I think it's okay to dissipate your tulpa. That doesn't mean you're killing them, or that you can never bring them back. You can put them somewhere in your mindscape, you can imagine them going into hibernation for a while, and bring them back when you're ready to.

 

I don't know, this post is kind of a mess. I've had to dissipate quite a few, and don't really regret it, as I feel that Elsa and I-and the ones who are gone-would've been miserable if they were still with us. I don't know how the rest of the forum will feel about that, though.

[NoneFromHell]

I don't know how the rest of the forum will feel about that, though.

 

Well i've mixed feelings about your post atleast. I pretty much understand your point, especially the overdoing with multiple tulpas at once, but on the other hand it sounds like you went pretty cold and uncompromisingly through your beginnings. "Don't like some aspects of how your tulpa has developed? Just put it away, don't bother with talking about it or working on that behavings. It's not like you could create another one"

 

The way you've written this just sounds like you grew tired of it. If i got that right you would be a person with pretty fast changing relations in your life. Well maybe it is just your wording.

 

Well going back to topic, i would kind of disagree with the "it's not really gone, you can always get it back" alignment. I think you can reach a point where you can't simply replace your tulpa like that, its memories would be gone. You would create a duplicate of the original, but thats just my two cents. (And i've no experience in that field)

[Guest Anonymous]

They are only imaginary. They fade back into your mind' date=' and can be brought back if you wish.[/quote']

 

The way I perceive tulpamancy tells me that a tulpa is not imaginary. Imaginary would just be something lame taken out of me actively imagining something, having to put effort in getting her to talk for instance, but she says so much that it's hard for me to catch up. Tulpas are definitely not 'only imaginary', I don't know about headmates and the likes, but tulpas have emotions, feeling, the capacity to exist in autonomy and rationalize by themselves. This is only my view, though. My imagination has always been utter shit and one of the only things that do make sense in my life is her.

[Dav_Edward]

First, thank you for the respectful opening to your question, as this is a touchy subject and too often people try to 'kill' a tulpa which is both terrible and silly as you can't kill what is essentially you, as in the system. Trying to slice off a chunk of your mind is damaging and can cause instability.

 

On to the actual question, I don't have much to offer you as I've never done such, but one technique that is by far more safe than most is 'intergration' a mental melting pot if you will. How people do it varies a lot. But basically host and tulpae combine under one 'self', share one self image and identity and let thier subconscious sort it out.

Intergation takes a long time, but it's better as you won't be suppressing parts of yourself (you as in the system), and are less likely to cause instability by removing whatever purpose the tulpae served for every day mental function.

 

I can understand reasons for people having this need, such as being overtaxed trying to think or do every day tasks if your mind is as noisy as a subway station. But Intergation will change your personality to some degree. You'll be summing up your parts; all your personality traits of all intergrated tulpae and/or host.

You'll want to research this more. My knowledge is only the tip of the iceberg, but it's a start.

 

There are other approaches other than integration such as dissipation, but very, very, carefully know what you're getting into if you do anything. Every action has a cost, many not so obvious. One example is say you have a 'mean' tulpa, it has a nasty attitude. It might very well be a personality that acts as a sheild for the other personalities when you experience something negative or hurtful. If dissipated, that personality/tulpa is no longer there to protect you, and your more sensitive aspects get hurt,which can cause depression, anxiety, etc.

 

The brain is a complex thing, it makes mistakes, but sometimes things happen for a reason.

[NoneFromHell]

 

The way I perceive tulpamancy tells me that a tulpa is not imaginary. Imaginary would just be something lame taken out of me actively imagining something, having to put effort in getting her to talk for instance, but she says so much that it's hard for me to catch up. Tulpas are definitely not 'only imaginary', I don't know about headmates and the likes, but tulpas have emotions, feeling, the capacity to exist in autonomy and rationalize by themselves. This is only my view, though. My imagination has always been utter shit and one of the only things that do make sense in my life is her.

 

I totally agree with you on that one. If you consider anything less, just imaginary, as a tulpa; i would be the god master of tulpamancy, since i can easily create a bunch of people discussing stuff for hours without me interfering, just to let them instantly disappear forever again. My tulpa is definitely on a whole different level than that. She is a lot more active on her own, even when i don't think about her at certain times.

[wingsorsomething]

 

Well i've mixed feelings about your post atleast. I pretty much understand your point, especially the overdoing with multiple tulpas at once, but on the other hand it sounds like you went pretty cold and uncompromisingly through your beginnings. "Don't like some aspects of how your tulpa has developed? Just put it away, don't bother with talking about it or working on that behavings. It's not like you could create another one"

 

The way you've written this just sounds like you grew tired of it. If i got that right you would be a person with pretty fast changing relations in your life. Well maybe it is just your wording.

 

Well going back to topic, i would kind of disagree with the "it's not really gone, you can always get it back" alignment. I think you can reach a point where you can't simply replace your tulpa like that, its memories would be gone. You would create a duplicate of the original, but thats just my two cents. (And i've no experience in that field)

 

I think I explained myself poorly. I don't condone getting rid of your tulpa just because you don't like one aspect of them, and I realize that's what I made it sound like, so I'm going to clarify myself a bit. Elsa and I have arguments all the time, and sometimes it's hard and frustrating, but it's bound to happen. She isn't always going to agree with me, and it would be boring if she did. If you (as in anybody who's going to attempt this, not you specifically) can't handle it, maybe it's best to reconsider before making a tulpa.

 

The ones I'm talking about were extremely mean or argumentative or just generally assholes. It's a bad idea to have somebody in your head who's constantly putting you down. (And it wasn't something we could work out. They were just awful by nature.)

[NoneFromHell]

 

I think I explained myself poorly. I don't condone getting rid of your tulpa just because you don't like one aspect of them, and I realize that's what I made it sound like, so I'm going to clarify myself a bit. Elsa and I have arguments all the time, and sometimes it's hard and frustrating, but it's bound to happen. She isn't always going to agree with me, and it would be boring if she did. If you (as in anybody who's going to attempt this, not you specifically) can't handle it, maybe it's best to reconsider before making a tulpa.

 

The ones I'm talking about were extremely mean or argumentative or just generally assholes. It's a bad idea to have somebody in your head who's constantly putting you down. (And it wasn't something we could work out. They were just awful by nature.)

 

Well this sounds a lot better. I can agree with that.