Could a person create a tulpa exclusively within lucid dreams?

[Guest Anonymous]

Mistgod has been pondering again. If a person were to become quite skilled at lucid dreaming, could he or she create a tulpa exclusively within the dream state? In other words, could you create a tulpa that interacts with you only while you sleep in lucid dreams?

 

Would this be a tulpa or only some sort of dream persona? Has anyone ever tried such a thing?

 

My wife reports that she has a whole group of dream persona friends and even dream persona "family" that she sees regularly in dreams. When she was younger, she was quite skilled at lucid dreaming but has since given up attempting to lucid dream deliberately.

 

My own thoughtform Melian is at least partially a dream persona (what I call a dreamform) herself, frequently appearing in dreams or even having her own dreams.

 

My main question here is, could a person create a tulpa exclusively within lucid dreams?

[Paranoid Llama]

Leaving all the inconsistency of lucid dreaming and dreaming in general aside, I think it could be possible. I've heard of "dream guides" who seem sentient, so it may just be a form of that.

 

Well, actually, if you're talking about a tulpa who can only interact with you in lucid dreams, I don't think you can even consider that a tulpa anymore. If it's a tulpa who can only develop in lucid dreams, then that's a different story.

 

The thing with trying this is that you may never really know whether the tulpa in front of you is really it. what I mean to say is you might just get a random dream character who looks like your tulpa besides your real tulpa, and you'd both have to constantly check with each other to make sure. Also, you'd probably never be able to practice imposition, possession, and switching.

 

But on the other hand, having a closer connection to the subconscious may aid in the time of development for the tulpa. Also, visualization will never be a problem (Wee hee!). I guess there are some more benefits to it than that.

 

So it may just be able to work.

[Guest Anonymous]

Leaving all the inconsistency of lucid dreaming and dreaming in general aside, I think it could be possible. I've heard of "dream guides" who seem sentient, so it may just be a form of that.

 

Melian and I have regular dream personas we encounter. One of the stranger ones is the Dream Weaver. He looks like Bill Gates, and is an asshole and arrogant, but he is the architect of the dream realm and sort of a set designer. He hates it when we notice him and try to talk to him. I have never tried to create or construct a being or person inside of a lucid dream.

 

Well, actually, if you're talking about a tulpa who can only interact with you in lucid dreams, I don't think you can even consider that a tulpa anymore. If it's a tulpa who can only develop in lucid dreams, then that's a different story.

 

I wonder. I mean, why does a tulpa have to be present while you are awake? Is that a necessary quality of a tulpa then? Who decided that? Sorry just asking what comes to my mind on this.

 

The thing with trying this is that you may never really know whether the tulpa in front of you is really it. what I mean to say is you might just get a random dream character who looks like your tulpa besides your real tulpa, and you'd both have to constantly check with each other to make sure.

 

Interesting point!

 

Also, you'd probably never be able to practice imposition, possession, and switching.

 

Wouldn't really need these in a lucid dream though would we?

 

But on the other hand, having a closer connection to the subconscious may aid in the time of development for the tulpa. Also, visualization will never be a problem (Wee hee!). I guess there are some more benefits to it than that.

 

So it may just be able to work.

 

That's what I was thinking!

[Guest Anonymous]

Hmm... well, I guess you could do that?

I think that you really gotta be darn good at lucid dreaming for it, though.

 

Seriously, I probably couldn't do it; Rina tries to help us meet in a lucid dream every single time I go to sleep...

... and ahdunno why - my theory is that my dream fantasies mix up with her efforts to make us lucid dream - but all it leads to is these weird half-lucid first-person dreams that have all sorts of weird stories, and both of us always "play a role" in it (even if we're "playing" as someone else than ourselves, it seems we're still sort of conscious of who is who).

 

I always know who is Felix, yes.

 

Point being - knowing how hard it can be to lucid dream, that makes me doubt it again. That you could create a tupper purely in lucid dreams.

You need great amounts of concentration to give birth to and develop a tupper, right? (That's what I assume at least...? As you know, Rina just sort of started existing, and I didn't even know at first. So correct me if I'm wrong...?)

 

Is it possible to lucid dream THAT well in the first place?

 

 

Greets,

AG & Rina

[Raetin]

Back when I was in the Dreamviews forum, I was extremely interested in the concepts of dream guides. I asked the community, would it be possible to communicate with a dream guide while you were actually awake? A lot of people dismissed that from being possible, to my disappointment. Then someone (Avalanche) posted a link on how to create a tulpa and I found that a tulpa was almost just like how a dream guide would be like, but during waking consciousness!

 

Anyway, besides that, I remember that there was someone there who had what was pretty much a tulpa in dreams only, but he called her his dream guide. I went through his dream journal that he posted, and the dream guide appeared very much sentient and autonomous! It fascinated me to no end and I was determined to make a dream guide during the time. If anyone's interested, I'll see if I can find the dream journal.

 

(I just checked the forum again and Linkzelda seems active there)

[Reisen]

Lumi: Yes, it's possible, and yes, it would be a "dream guide" or recurring dream character. I don't think it would translate to a tulpa without some effort. A dream character is a character your brain imagines in a dream. A tulpa requires much, much more types of mental practice than just.. I don't know, what does creating a dream tulpa even entail?

 

I do think lucid dreaming is a good aid for developing a tulpa though. But my intuition tells me it's dangerous to rely too much on the lucid dreaming aspect, as that would mainly be for personality development, and would leave a lot to be desired during waking life.

[Guest Anonymous]

Thanks everyone for the great answers. Well thought out and informative thank you. I am interesting in learning more about dream guides now.

[Paranoid Llama]

I wonder. I mean, why does a tulpa have to be present while you are awake? Is that a necessary quality of a tulpa then? Who decided that? Sorry just asking what comes to my mind on this.

 

Well what I was thinking was that you could consider it a tulpa exclusively in dreams but it'd be more accurate to say it's a dream guide or regular dream character, like the others have been saying.

[Guest Anonymous]

Okay I see. I think I am starting to agree actually. Mainly because tulpas are so difficult to make even when fully awake. :-) It was just an interesting random topic to discuss and bat around for a bit.

[Kaytwo]

Hmm... well, I guess you could do that?

I think that you really gotta be darn good at lucid dreaming for it, though.

 

If it's possible to make a tulpa exclusively through lucid dreaming, I'd think you'd have to be a really talented lucid dreamer. Wouldn't it be difficult to make much progress unless you were lucid very regularly? Simply because of the limited time spent lucid dreaming versus being awake during the day.

 

I can't speak for trying to create a tulpa, but in my experience the more conscious effort you put into controlling a dream the harder it is to maintain. If you were trying to actively think of and create a whole new person in a dream, complete with a set personality and form, it seems immensely difficult. Maybe if you gave the tulpa conscious thought before the dream or consistently before bed?

 

I think if you were trying to form a tulpa in a dream you'd want to let your subconscious or whatever generates the dream do the grunt work.

 

It sounds a LOT more plausible to perhaps use lucid dreaming to further develop a pre-established or reoccurring dream character instead of starting from scratch. I think this would work very well for anyone trying to transition them into a tulpa, as dream characters seem to have a surprising amount of depth to them if talked to.

 

Of course, dreaming (lucid or not) with your tulpa to supplement development is a great tool and always enjoyable.