Wonderland Friends for Esterina? (More than just one Tulpa while in a relationship?)

[Guest Anonymous]

Hey, guys.

 

This is something that has been on my mind for a while.

And I asked Rina - she too wondered about that subject matter.

So I decided to make this thread.

 

So, a short explanation - I'm not the most social of people.

Meaning: Even though, by now, Esterina and I are in an exclusive relationship, there are sometimes many hours during which she is alone in our wonderland, mostly because I simply get an overload of social contact.

 

Again - not because I don't love her!

I love her beyond measure. She's everything to me.

She mah grill. xP

 

It's just that I overload on social interaction rather quickly, and need some hours of break time everyday.

 

So the thought has come to my mind... couldn't Esterina simply create a friend or two for herself?

Thing is, I don't want another tulpa, at least not yet... also because I'm not sure how well it would turn out, considering the relationship that Esterina and I have; there would always be this thing of "Esterina is the one person who's more special to me than anyone else".

Dunno how well that would turn out with a second tupper.

 

But that aside - I guess it would be possible for her to create a tulpa, or some other kind of sentient being, for herself? As in, someone that isn't my head-buddy, but hers.

But even if she could... what would that be like?

Wouldn't that person still wonder who I am, seek contact to me?

Wouldn't it end up all the same either way?

 

I know this all is sort of a mess to read, so here's a tl;dr:

Does anyone here have experience with a tupper having a tupper, or something similar?

Just some sort of friend, or even a circle of friends, for Esterina to have and hang out with in wonderland, aside from me?

 

This is a subject I wonder about a lot, and Rina seems to have given it some thought as well.

 

I have.

 

Also, second question since it was already said above:

I am in an exclusive romantic relationship with her, and I definitely wouldn't have a similarly deep and close relationship with more tuppers (or people in general) than her no matter what.

Anyone have any experience with that, while having more than that one tupper?

 

So, I hope you people somewhat get what I mean.

If not, just say what you don't understand, I'll try to explain what I mean.

Thanks in advance for answers!

 

 

Greets,

AG

[Vos]

I know this all is sort of a mess to read, so here's a tl;dr:

Does anyone here have experience with a tupper having a tupper, or something similar?

Just some sort of friend, or even a circle of friends, for Esterina to have and hang out with in wonderland, aside from me?

 

One of the reasons why the second tulpa in this head was created was for me to have someone to spend time with when my host was busy with things. I don't have any experience with wonderland characters, but a few people have told me that they have thriving towns with dozens of people in their wonderlands. It could be something interesting to try out.

 

Also, second question since it was already said above:

I am in an exclusive romantic relationship with her, and I definitely wouldn't have a similarly deep and close relationship with more tuppers (or people in general) than her no matter what.

Anyone have any experience with that, while having more than that one tupper?

 

I can't say that we've experienced that sort of thing, but even if a second tulpa of yours did have an attraction to you, I'm sure you'd be able to talk through those feelings and help them understand your wants.

[SomethingDire]

I can't really give advice about your second question, but I have lots and lots of experience with creating non-sentient headmates since I've been doing it for a long time now.

 

How I started was, well, I read a lot, watched movies a lot and played games a lot, which made me want to interact with their universes and characters.

I'll talk about how I made my first headmate to give an example and further explain the process:

 

When I was about 12, my dad bought me Ninja Gaiden: Sigma as a gift, and I developed a very huge crush on the game's main character: Ryu Hayabusa. And like every prepubescent girl would, I started to dream about him, which made me want to interact with him even more. I wasn't the most self-confident person around then, so as stupid as it sounds; I conjured up an image of a woman that would act as me in my dreams. (Oh god, I know, bear with me.) I named her Elizabeth.

 

At the beggining, Elizabeth was just a puppet. I would make her move around, make her talk and stuff. I designed clothes, appearances, weapons for her. I made up scenarios that she would act in, which then later turned into stories. Just like creating a character, but way more in depth. I associated myself with her.

 

About 3 years later, I realized that Elizabeth had a personality that was pretty solid. You know how you get a gut feeling when you think about a person that you've known for a long while? That's what happened to me when I thought about Elizabeth. This is a crucial point for what you want, which is a wonderland friend.

 

A while later, Elizabeth's apperance started to change by itself. I now know that this could be a sign of sentience, but I never stopped puppeting her. I didn't give a care about these signs, since I didn't know what they meant. This made her stay in a half-dormant half-sentient situation. Another crucial point if you don't want an actual "tulpa", but just someone that Rina can interact with.

 

Today, I have 11 non-sentient headmates like Elizabeth. What I did was create a persona that I could associate with (By the way, you don't have to totally associate with them, just a point that you can both get along on would be enough.) and then I basically puppeted them until I got signs of sentience. I acquainted these signs, but I didn't let them go too far. It takes me approximately 2 weeks to get one persona in this state.

 

Why did I tell you all this? Because I've seen these personas interact with Céleste multiple times. I've seen them dance with Céleste, I've seen them walk with Céleste, but they never actually talked to me. Basically, this method could let you have these "wonderland friends" you are talking about.

 

I hope I was clear and that this helps.

[FadingSpectrum]

Does anyone here have experience with a tupper having a tupper, or something similar?

Just some sort of friend, or even a circle of friends, for Esterina to have and hang out with in wonderland, aside from me?

 

Najere: We have extensive relationships with walkins and characters from our alternate universes that don't connect with hostie Fade. However, we are weirdos and soulbonds, so I doubt our relationships with our "NPCs" count in the same sense. But I'm certain Esterina could create wonderland friends to spend her time with. Being alone is boring. I can't imagine it, not the kind of boring lack of interaction I imagine most tulpa must go through. I always have the rest of the Spectrum to be with.

 

 

I am in an exclusive romantic relationship with her, and I definitely wouldn't have a similarly deep and close relationship with more tuppers (or people in general) than her no matter what.

Anyone have any experience with that, while having more than that one tupper?

 

Najere: Your new tulpa would probably be fine with the arrangement, assuming they didn't develop romantic feelings themselves for you along the way. We can't speak from the exact same experience, as Fade isn't in a relationship with any of us. However, romantic relationships aren't the only kind of meaningful relationship a person can have, right? You can still have a close or a loose friendship with them, even if you aren't in the same kind of relationship with the new tulpa as you are in with Esterina.

Having Demetrius as a partner doesn't make my friendship with the Twins any less special, or vice versa. So if you two decide to have a new tulpa, just establish early on with them both your relationship with Esterina and the kind of friendship you two want to have with the newbie.

[Guest Anonymous]

Why not? The wonderland is imaginary. If tulpas are like people, then tulpas can make tulpas and tulpas can make enhanced imaginary friends.

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Melian has a lot of friends in her dreamscape:

 

Orion, her fairy dragon

Magictron3000, her Dreamscape Matrix Computer

Melbot, her robot double

Oscar, her teddy bear

Archduke Cuddlesworth III, her other teddy bear

Starlight Starbright, her sparkle unicorn

Aragorn, her winged horse

Basil, her snake buddy

Emily Abegail, the house ghost in her dreamscape mansion

Countless fairies

Many Fairy-Dragons

Many half demon fairies

[Guest Anonymous]

Thanks for all the answers.

Clarifying something though:

 

Esterina already creates people, and whole worlds for that matter, the whole time.

And also erases them again... just non-sentient puppets she plays with, as I understand it.

 

But this thread is specifically about sentient, independent ones.

 

 

Greets,

AG

[Guest Anonymous]

Oh well, then I can't help much from our own experience. None of Melian's enhanced imaginary friends are any more independently sentient than she is. She is just the most persistent, active and apparently autonomous of all of them. But they are all imaginary thoughforms in our wonderland. I don't know. Wouldn't creating independent sentient friends mean Rina would be creating tulpas? Again, I don't see why she couldn't if she wanted to.

[Luminesce]

No reason you couldn't have a permanent, recurring NPC in your mind. No need for non-tulpa discrimination, a thoughtform doesn't have to be completely sentient and independent to be interacted with seriously. As far as I know wonderland NPCs are relatively autonomous for most anyways, just not as self-aware. But if you want an actual tulpa, well, you have to want an actual tulpa. Similarly to how people always say "Don't make a tulpa for the explicit purpose of being your partner", you also probably shouldn't do so for your tulpa either. If you don't want a full-fledged tulpa, don't make a full-fledged tulpa. A permanent recurring non-tulpa thoughtform doesn't seem so bad to me. I can imagine static thoughtforms in a wonderland that aren't tulpas but are permanent, autonomous residents. I mean, not literally, but literally too I suppose.

 

Not really for me, though. Feels like I have a semi-tulpa if I keep any thoughtform in focus too long. That's why the Scarlet Devil Mansion in our wonderland is empty as opposed to having a Remilia, Patchouli, Sakuya and Meiling in it. They would just feel like neglected tulpas to me. Mistgod seems like the expert on this sort of thing, as far as I know his "wonderland" is full of autonomous non-sentient NPCs.

[Guest Anonymous]

Oh well, then I can't help much from our own experience. None of Melian's enhanced imaginary friends are any more independently sentient than she is. She is just the most persistent, active and apparently autonomous of all of them. But they are all imaginary thoughforms in our wonderland. I don't know. Wouldn't creating independent sentient friends mean Rina would be creating tulpas? Again, I don't see why she couldn't if she wanted to.

 

We're pretty sure she could, yeah.

Actually, because she's a Witch with solely willpower- and imagination-based magic (or is a copy of a character like that), she's probably leagues more capable of doing it than any of us.

 

But we're not too sure what the consequences would be, y'know?

What it would mean for me if she creates a person in our mindspace of her own accord, what it would mean for her, and of course for that person.

 

 

Greets,

AG

[Guest Anonymous]

Only one way to find out. :-) It's kinda like deciding to have a child I guess. You just never know until you do it.