what if? (astral projection)

[greedfox]

So, when a host and the tulpa switch places or the tulpa possesses the host, generally the host takes the tulpas place in the wonderland. What if, when the host went to astral project and the tulpa was allowed to possess the body at the same time?

 

Several follow ups:

+would the host still be tied to their body via the "silver thread" or would they be tied to the wonderland?

+could you project next to your body as the tulpa controls it?

+would the tulpa be controlling the astral body, and if so, wtf?

+would a skill in possession and simultaneous projection be a superpower? (Yes)

+are imposed tulpa (fully formed tulpea) just energy projections of our minds fragments?

 

Given, working with metaphysical things predisposes you the reader to at least consider other possible pseudo-sciences, what does the tulpa.info community think about this potentially super human ability to have your body move while also being able to walk around corners and see things outside of your natural senses?

[NoneFromHell]

I moved this thread to the metaphysical section where it belongs.

 

From a (pseudo)scientific view I simply don't think that something like this would be possible, like at all. From a metaphysical approach this is an interesting thought.

[greedfox]

 

From a (pseudo)scientific view I simply don't think that something like this would be possible, like at all.

 

Elaborate...

[Evil]

 

Elaborate...

 

Even though this message was not directed at me, I will try to explain why the opinion NoneFromHell shared is a popular opinion in the tulpamancy community, or at least, on the forums.

 

Pseudo-science in tulpamancy is mostly derived from psychology. The way people like FAQMan and Irish made their guides revolved around assumptions about what happens in the mind, assumptions that came out to be accurately correct in the specified experiences. Pleeb, the creator of this community, had a long talk in a channel a long while ago, discussing neural pathways and tulpamancy. When you approach someone and promote stuff that psychology and philosophy covers quite well, it has credibility. Not absolute credibility, as there is no practical way to 'prove' a tulpa exists, let alone to be sure anything is actually there, since the only people subject to those experiences are the hosts of said tulpas.

 

When you approach someone with a metaphysical and occult-oriented point of view, though, things tend to get a bit seclusive, because not only does that approach, the approach of the astral plane, sounds a bit out of reach, let alone that the entire metaphysical concept of tulpamancy has as much credibility as any other theory, the metaphysical approach is not one that occurs on a wide range of tulpamancers, people who did believe in the occult at some point, and had fruitless results. When you mention things like the astral plane, before all things, it remains a mysterious concept to us, as a community, since people did nothing but theorize about it online when it came down to 'proving' the astral plane exists. Or that metaphysics do take place. That's why this section is not really active, because most tulpamancers prefer to take up to the psychological (because it is related to the mind, in those regards, the methodology and the creation process have a straight outcome on your mind), and call THAT a pseudo-science. Do realize that claims can be made very easily on the internet, and while belief may fuel a more or less wide part of it, and make the audience that is exposed to that belief subject to fuel that same belief, there aren't very convincing occurrences of anything called the 'astral plane'. Or 'energy' for that matter, outside of meditation and the likes, which place that 'energy' in a symbolical way.

 

But, that's a nice thought. To people like me, hard-headed into science, the entire astral plane concept might always remain a 'If only', except if, one day, we reach more conclusive results.

[NoneFromHell]

Well Evil pretty much nailed it. There are no scientific accepted concepts for any of your metaphysical ideas. So if you take what we really know about the human psychology, you simply have no evidence for any of it, which results in one simple conclusion: It isn't possible from what we know about the human mind.

 

It is called metaphysics for a reason.

[greedfox]

Such a dismissive answer from a group that's willing to accept sentient imaginary creatures...

 

Ok, how about tulpa going about their own? Does anyone think they have a set of senses of their own or; are their actions isolated to your oun senses? How, if at all, would a tulpa navigate the areas around the host that are out of view of the host?(like behind them, or at the edge of the host peripheral) Given, this has probably been asked elsewhere... I think its relevant.

 

How, if at all does the acceptance of tulpa having or not having their oun sense of things lead your thoughts on the matter?

 

Furthermore; if the reader had experienced/been proven an astral projection, would that affect the consideration of the tulpa themselves as living? Are we considering the tulpa as a strictly neurological condition, or is the Tibetan word being used literally to mean that the creature or spirit is actually being called into existence by the will?

 

Personally, I think that many "occult" theories are close to truth, but take to using insane language, and ultimately invalidate their proofs in the eyes of a scientific or western-minded people. If given a benefit of doubt, astral projection does actually have quite a logical argument supporting its validity, not in results or the basic measurable proofs, but in the same person to person experiences that are used to "prove" or validate the existence of tulpa.

 

I suggest, or challenge, anyone to set up a double blind study. Someone with a solid and functional tulpa to get someone else to write down something on a piece of paper in another room, then to ask their tulpa to go read the paper. Check results, try multiple times or with different random things in the other room. This could even be done alone with a yatzee shaker and some dice rigged to roll outside of the physical view of the host, or by tossing a die into another room out of sight but still were the tulpa can find it.

 

Somewhere in the between is the truth so strange that words can't quantify it.

 

(Most people will tl;dr this)

[NoneFromHell]

Such a dismissive answer from a group that's willing to accept sentient imaginary creatures...

 

Well you asked about our pseudoscientific view aswell, which is just that: as scientific as possible. On that matter most of the other answers are pretty obvious aswell. The tulpa is generally limited to the senses of the host, beside anything wonderland related. We are mostly considering tulpas as a strictly neurological phenomenon around here, no mystical creature or spirit, but some people are willing to see both possibilties playing hand in hand, this is surely a simple matter of beliefs, not of science. So if a tulpa goes around the corner your brain just would be aware that it is there, but they wouldn't be able to see anything what you can't see.

 

Personally I keep everything metaphysic related out of my tulpa business, even though I'm not strictly against metaphysical ideas.

 

Your double blind study would be surely interesting, but I wouldn't expect too much evidence gained out of it. A blind study like that could be done for simple astral projection, aswell.

(Edit: If your study wouldn't work with astral projection, you could conclude that it doesn't really happen. Your brain would just let you experience some kind of lucid dream, without any "superpower")

 

You're of course free to share your thoughts about this topic in any way you like, just don't expect too much feedback on your wave length, since most people around here see tulpas based on the scientific approach and nothing else.

[Luminesce]

I don't believe the separate mind-identities we have are our consciousness/soul, and I think if you were to astral project you would have a higher perspective and be you and your tulpas and more. I consider our consciousness to be a level above the identities we have for ourselves.

 

Of course, it really depends on your beliefs on consciousness. A lot of people believe tulpas have their own. The fundamental difference in my belief is that I don't believe my tulpas have their own consciousnesses, and I don't believe I have my own consciousness. I think we all share it and it encompasses us. As for the subconscious, I've no idea how that would translate when astral projecting/separating your "consciousness" from your body. All I've been told is that you're elevated to a much higher perspective of thinking. Maybe such things don't matter.