'Meeting my tulpa through Ayahuasca' - an interesting experience.

[Vos]

I've moved this thread from Research to General Discussion.

[Luminesce]

Pretty much same, for parts of their story. I found a video, the concept of Reisen was created in my mind, and even the idea of her existence was enough to help me stop worrying about my life. And I never lost her. It's just been.. seven years of not quite fully connecting with her, or my other tulpas.

 

She effectively said the same things as his tulpa on DMT, too. And way more. And I didn't even need to alter my state of consciousness for it to make sense and really affect me.

 

Anyways, no drugs for me. They conflict with my morals on life. The same reason there's no reason to kill yourself or to feel bad if you don't want to is the reason I won't do drugs. I signed up for this reality, and I reaffirm that every moment I'm still alive. Killing yourself means you want nothing to do with this game of life. Feeling bad means you don't understand that you're playing a game. And using drugs to alter your reality means you're playing the wrong game, and playing the game wrong. You've completely voided the legitimacy of your life in a normal context. Your experience means nothing because you cheated. All of the work you put into this game with all its rules, and you decided to spawn in a stack of diamonds, or a hundred. Now you live in a normal world with a house made of diamond blocks, congratz. Why were you playing Minecraft in the first place?

 

 

But, of course, Creative Mode exists. And cheating is an option. Some might call it modding. Some people use mods to make Minecraft easier, like the Pocket Crafting Table... or a portal gun. Should you want to do that, you're allowed to choose your own experience. But you better make dang sure you value your experience more than any sense of legitimacy. I won't care how many diamonds you have in your modded Minecraft when I'm playing vanilla. I'll certainly acknowledge the fun you're having, and if that's how you want to play the game, more power to you. But I'm a purist. I'm playing life without a single cheat or mod. I'm not altering my very perception of reality with any drug.

 

 

... What were we talking about? Oh yeah, no, I refuse. And I recommend you really think about where your values lie before using any drugs like that. At some point we'll be able to leave these archaic substances and simulate a perfect virtual reality where you can do/experience whatever you want. How much does that mean to you? Are you sure playing Creative Mode and spawning in *just a few diamonds* is really different?

 

 

oh also drugs are bad for you or something idec. Every time I've ever mentioned that small fact I get "NO DUDE THESE ONES ARE NATURAL THEY DON'T HURT YOU AT ALL YOU'LL BE FINE". Just don't get the kids into anything over their heads, alright?

[Kaytwo]

I wanted to chime in this thread since I have first-hand experience and hopefully can shed some light. I'm currently writing a separate long post about drug use and tulpas.

 

I think the story is completely plausible.

 

My personal experiences with ayahuasca were not dissimilar to what was described. The time distortion is a very real effect of psychedelics, especially with DMT and ayahuasca. It is very similar to time distortion found in dreaming. However, just like dreaming, psychedelic experiences do not follow a solid linear path and kinda skip from one event to the next. For example, you can have a dream with events that spanned the course of weeks, but leaves the minor stuff out like brushing your teeth and putting on clothes every day. Plus, on a trip you'll have periods where you come back to reality, or simply don't have internal hallucinations.

 

We have a lot of personal experience with investigating how psychedelics affect tulpas. Since we started taking them long after she had been around I can only speak to their benefit as a tool for growth and not creation. The ritual ceremony he describes is NOT essential, but a safe environment is.

 

Whether what was altered in this dream-state stays altered once the brain chemistry has returned to normal... that's a different question. But sometimes, just the fact that the altered dreamstate happened is enough to make permanent changes to the person's psychology.

 

Whether what they experienced in the dreamstate is legitimate isn't the question. It's whether what happened in the dreamstate has a lasting effect on the tulpamancer and his tulpa. Which it seems it did, if only because the tulpamancer believes it did.

 

This is why I suspect that psychedelics can be very useful tools. They create unparalleled levels of neuroplasticity and connectivity in your brain while under their influence. Firstly, this lets your brain think in new ways, less confined to the rigid mental processes it uses to navigate daily life. Basically, your brain is more flexible on psychedelics. Even better, this isn't out of your control. Your brain is super receptive to everything in this state. Forcing or interacting with your tulpa on psychedelics is taking advantage of a time where your brain is at its peak capability to establish new mental connections. Since this is a neurological state caused by psychedelics, it cannot be replicated in sobriety. If psychedelics are used to reach a milestone with your tulpa, anywhere from vocality to sentience, that experience WILL be easier to replicate in the future while sober because your brain already knows how to do it now.

 

I think the question is whether they continued forcing after they reunited with Julia or if they let her fade. A HUGE trait of tulpas that distinguishes them from dream characters, trip entities, and thoughtforms is persistence/permanence. I don't consider entities I've met on trips as tulpas for the same reasons dream characters aren't. Entity contact is fleeting even during the trip and can't carry over afterwards.

 

If you involve hallucinogenic drugs, you have simply no way of verification for anything you experience.

 

This seems to be a common misconception about psychedelic drugs. Hallucination isn't even the primary effect, and the type most people imagine don't happen at all but the highest of doses. The tripper will retain some of their lucidity on psychedelics, and their hallucinations are separate and internal (like a dream) and not external (like schizophrenia). It is unfounded to think a tripper experiences anything like psychosis where they are unable to distinguish what is real and what is a hallucination. Those drugs do exist, they're called deliriants and they're scary.