Bringing a tulpa back to life

[Guest Anonymous]

It's almost like people want this guy to wallow in guilt and have little to no hope. He dared "kill a tulpa" (whatever that means), a terrible sin, and so let's punish him by telling him how horrible and final it was. I think that is a heap of drivel hooey. I really don't think anyone knows what they are talking about here. All I know for sure is that a tulpa exists in the mind. That leaves a lot of positive possibilities. I really don't see the reason to be so dark and miserable about it, except for that it makes great drama.

 

As such is your opinion, and no one you will ever encounter is guaranteed to share it.

We had that all in the past, Melian.

Please don't repeat the same mistakes over again.

 

He asked something that greatly depends on his personal situation, so I gave him an answer catered towards that as best as possible.

With not a single word did I paint a picture as black as you make me out to have done.

 

It's the same here as with all other things:

I encourage neither optimism nor pessimism, and I don't want others to swallow what I tell them to think.

I encourage realism, and I want others to think for themselves instead of running to others for answers - be that "others" a people on a website or a god.

(Yes, that very much plays into what I said in his other thread about this exact same thing, only in a different context.)

 

So, again, please don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

 

 

Greets,

AG

[Tewi]

Allow me to correct the errors made by others who replied here, and also openly call these errors out as such...

... by saying that there is no universal answer to this.

 

If you can convince yourself they're "dead", you can convince yourself they're "alive". But as I mentioned in the above post, it's not always that simple.

 

If they can convince themselves of something as dramatic as a tulpa dying, theoretically they could convince themselves of something like their tulpa coming back to life.

 

Though I should add that everyone doesn't necessarily meet both those criteria automatically. I suppose someone could convince themselves their tulpa is dead, and then convince themselves their tulpa must stay dead. If that's what they choose to believe then they just have to deal with it and move on.

 

But I'm a very realistic person. And so I will write of possibilities regardless of whether others consider them possible or not, because they still are. Denying the truth does not make it not true. Well, it does to you, but that can be changed. I speak of what could be true to others, not necessarily what is true to others. Generally that "could be true" is what already "is true" to me. I won't limit my could-be's because someone else thinks they're can't-be's.

[Guest Anonymous]

So, again, please don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

 

What are you talking about? What does my past have to do with this debate? My mistake tonight apparently is strongly disagreeing with you. I am sorry. I strongly disagree with you. I see no reason to be so pessimistic about tulpa death and resurrection. None at all. I see every reason to be very optimistic. After all, Thyme was made once before from NOTHING but an idea and this time her host is starting with something, a deep commitment and love and dear feelings and memories and a desire.

[Guest Anonymous]

If they can convince themselves of something as dramatic as a tulpa dying, theoretically they could convince themselves of something like their tulpa coming back to life.

 

Though I should add that everyone doesn't necessarily meet both those criteria automatically. I suppose someone could convince themselves their tulpa is dead, and then convince themselves their tulpa must stay dead. If that's what they choose to believe then they just have to deal with it and move on.

 

But I'm a very realistic person. And so I will write of possibilities regardless of whether others consider them possible or not, because they still are. Denying the truth does not make it not true. Well, it does to you, but that can be changed. I speak of what could be true to others, not necessarily what is true to others. Generally that "could be true" is what already "is true" to me. I won't limit my could-be's because someone else thinks they're can't-be's.

 

Yes, and I interpreted your post as such, Tewi.

All that matters in the end is the mental limits you set for yourself, be it willingly or unwillingly, of course also including not having any such mental limits at all.

 

It's just that many people tend to avoid finding answers on their own, instead trying to receive clear answers from what they deem a "higher" source.

People will often take things so literally that they don't ever get to the stage of thinking for themselves, and I felt that writing down a more neutrally worded answer would likely be of benefit.

 

Be that as it may, I said my piece, and I have literally no desire to argue with anyone or further repeat myself.

Thus, I shall retreat from this thread in order to keep myself from feeling annoyed, and leave what I said behind for anyone to do or not do with what they wish.

 

 

Greets,

AG

[Tewi]

Edit: Written before AG's above post -

 

You guys are really bad at understanding each other, really. No need to talk in circles, take a moment to understand what the other side is saying.

 

The difference between you two at the moment is a preference for realism versus optimism. That's an interesting argument that neither side ever wins, so account for both: "Whatever you believe will be the truth, but you can believe this, and you would probably be happy for it."

 

 

@AG I've tried that "spreading realism" thing many times before. Unfortunately a lot of people simply can't comprehend it, and it's better to give them their choice of known-to-be positive beliefs, because they don't know how to find their own in infinite options. That's usually how it goes on subjects like these, so it's usually how I respond to them. I think I still imply well enough you can believe whatever you want, though. The general format of my and Luminesce's posts is to give an optional positive/beneficial belief while also teaching that you have a choice in what you believe, and what you believe dictates your reality. Do we not do that well enough?

[Guest Anonymous]

If they can convince themselves of something as dramatic as a tulpa dying, theoretically they could convince themselves of something like their tulpa coming back to life.

 

Exactly!

[Vos]

As a response to the OP, it's hard to say whether or not a tulpa can really "die", considering that people have managed to bring tulpas back after years of not working on them, even if they were underdeveloped. If you feel more comfortable with making a new one, that's obviously up to you, but you'd likely already have a base and idea of which direction you'd want to take things in if you just continued with your previous attempt. You can shoot the shit about the future, yeah, but there's no telling what'll happen until it does, and you should just roll with it. One of the things that's often brought up in these kinds of threads, which means that this is a common question, is this revitalization exercise.

[Guest Anonymous]

Some have this thing about "killing a tulpa." It is emotionally linked to the "realness" of a tulpa. A tulpa is more real if it can die. It is even more real if that death is final and irreversible and we can link a lot of drama to it. I honestly believe that is why people say what they do about tulpa death and are so adamant about it. Please don't kill me for having this opinion or insight about it. My host would have to resurrect me.

[Vos]

I don't think that you're going to see many people chastising you for what you're saying here, but maybe it'd be better to stick to the situation at hand rather than drifting off into talking about tulpa deaths in general; a general discussion thread would fit that better, I'm sure.

[ThreeSevens]

Thank you all for your replies, especially you Tewi for your point of view on looking at both sides of realism and optimism! I appreciate voices of reason, which I think everyone here has given very reasonable responses. And what I have gleaned from this is that depending on my view of my Tulpa and how if I manifested it with a physical sense of mortality, it would depend on me and wether or not I can believe it can be brought back. Or if I believed her to be a mere thought, a blip of information. And information never dies.

 

I believe that people never die, even on a physical level, completely. People live on as information. As emotions. Life lessons. Memories. And even in our DNA. At this point I should confess something. This isn't the first time I "killed" Thyme. (omygod if I ever bring her back I can NEVER use the term 'killing time' again)

 

I will skip the dark backstory and just say that I had thought I had killed once before. It was when I first created her. I walked away for months due to reality and was convinced she was gone forever. Some months later I learned she was alive! She survived off my love and desire for her as well as my memory! And this taught me something. It may be an old and tired thing to say... But I realized. The ones we love never really leave us. They never really die. I know, sounds corny! XD but I finally understood what that meant!

 

The second time was different though. I became convinced she was evil and I drove her out like I would a demon. There was no love or fondness for her to hold on to. That is why I was convinced this time she was dead...

 

I always said that emotion was going to be extremely important in our relationship. Perhaps if I can love her again I can bring her back.

 

Im going to go on a long walk... I need to think about how I feel about her.