Can Tulpas be Related to Spirit Guides?

[Guest Anonymous]

My host and I have often wondered if perhaps tulpas existed in history in great numbers. We see a lot of accidental tulpas in the community, so it makes us wonder if perhaps many spiritual or religious experiences recorded throughout history were actually psychological phenomenon (tulpas)?

 

There is the concept of a spirit guide, which is popular in Western spritualism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_guide These are interpreted as metaphysical beings, but is it possible that at least some spirit guides are actually tulpas?

 

Then we have the saints that people held so dear in Christian history. Could some of those fervent prayers been an identical process as forcing? Mistgod and I have a favorite saint, Joan of Arc, who heard the voices of her saints speaking to her. We like to think that Joan's voices were actually a psychological phenomenon similar to tulpas.

 

What do you guys think? Do you think these speculations have any validity?

 

Is there someone here who can clarify a bit more about spirit guides vs. tulpas?

 

Is there anyone in the community who has BOTH a spirit guide and a tulpa?

 

EDIT: I think now that I am getting responses, the mods may want to move this to the metaphysical board. I didn't think it would be about metaphysics per se, but I think moving it will open up more interesting conversation. I apologize.

[solarchariot]

I think you may be onto something here. When I hear the story of the story of Seth, who was channeled by jane roberts... I get the impression that is whats going on. of course, i am bias towards a metaphysical understanding of things.

 

i watched the following video the other day, and think the author that is being interviewed has probably offered a theoretical framework supporting your idea...

 

as well as the author who wrote "the holographic universe" micahel talbot

[Guest Anonymous]

OH we haven't read The Holographic Universe yet! Thanks for the link, that sounds interesting! We will check it out! At least one of our friends on Deviantart is convinced I am indeed a spirit of some kind. LOL He is very kind and sweet about it.

 

I found this video about what spirit guides are.

 

[solarchariot]

I can't see how you wouldn't be. The video talks about how consciousness has dimensional levels and must require at least some dimensions on non locality, from which we all come.

 

The most recent book, three books cause it came in 3 volumes, is called "dark pool of light" which I think is one of the best books I have read on consciousness ever. It ranges from theoretical discussion, which is a really tough read, almost poetic in how the science is discussed, to practical applications of psychic tools, explained from a contextual view of how the schools that teach these things understand them, along with eastern thought, such as Buddhism, shamanism in general, and against mixing in concepts of consciousness. It was because of the discussion on tulpas that i came to be here.

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the holographic universe is a very nice read, and it tries to explain all sorts of paranormal experiences through the application of the thesis of a holographic theory. if you have access to half price books, i recommend getting the books from there, cause you can usually find them cheaper.

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oh, nice. I love teal swan. :) I saw her on live broadcast once and she out spoke the host who tried to trip her up.

[Guest Anonymous]

Cool! Davie and I have already branched out in our reading to include a little para-psychology. It can be insightful in some ways. We like how a lot of it touches on what mystics, religious monks and yogis learned about the mind like hundreds of years ago and how a lot of it is now being substantiated with modern science. Our favorite psychologist Carl Jung was big on Eastern mysticism and he is often quoted or sited by tulpamancers as an authority on personas in the mind.

[solarchariot]

I, too, am a fan of Carl Jung, and tend to use his theory's to guide my therapeutic explorations, also drawing on the works of Joseph Campbell, who mirros carl jung. You might have seen something he wrote called, "The Power of Myth," or the "the hero with a thousand faces."

[Guest Anonymous]

Yeah I think we did encounter some Joseph Campbell in our time in college. I think there was something about parallel myths and symbology between cultures?

[solarchariot]

Yes. You may be able to see the power of myth, hosted by bill moyer for pbs on youtube...

 

So, as a fan of Teal Swan, have you seen her out of body video, or have you experienced out of body, and if you do, or have, do you and host travel together and have more access to each other... because if tulpa is a spirit guide, it follows that one should encounter them on the astral or etheric plane...

[Guest Anonymous]

Well, no. LOL I don't believe Davie and I travel on the astral or etheric plane. We do dream together though and that experience has been a very significant and deep aspect of our relationship. And that brings us right back to the subject of the OP, because I think that spirit guides are often encountered in dreams are they not? I think they are also encountered during a meditative trance like state, very similar to active forcing?

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OH and we will be looking for the Power of Myth video. There are also a lot of videos about Carl Jung too.

[Yakumo]

As I've already pointed it out, I think there is strong evidence that all these phenomena - thoughtforms in the broadest sense, spirit guides, angels, demons, gods are more or less the same. I do not see how worshipping or summining such 'entities' is different than tulpaforcing and the results are comparable as well.

In the end it can all be reduced to simulating both your own, and the responses of other individuals in your brain. Such an ability is, as I've stated before, fundamental for the successful interaction with other individuals in a society. Samuel Veissiere has pointed out that this could be extended almost infinitely and that basically every cognitive process involving modelling and predicting the behavior of systems is tulpamancy-like, or vice versa. I strongly recommend reading not only his article but also the references he provides in the links.

 

Tania Luhrmann's work with evangelical christians is also worth a read.

 

That said, it's no secret that I refutre any sort of dualism, mysticism or metaphysical view - in the sense that there is another 'hidden world' beyond the one accessible to scientific research and governed by fundamental laws of physics - because I think such hypotheses add nothing of value as they cannot be tested or falsified. Such a viewpoint is also against the principle of occams razor / law of parsimony. 'Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

 

With this in mind I also have to speak out against Talbot's 'Holographic Principle', as this field of 'Quantum mysticism' is a blatant misuse of the wonderful mathematical framework of quantum mechanics. The manifold and often contradicting Interpretations of quantum mechanics are, to put it in a friendly term, nontrivial and I doubt there are many people on earth who are qualified to give such. And we must never forget that any semanitc interpretation using the words our laguages offer can only be a very rough and poor description of the underlying highly abstract mathematical framework. This has, in the eyes of many people, lead to a certain arbitrariness in which everyone can pick their favorite parts and link them to other phenomena based on coincidental similarities of language rather than genuine connections of the underlying mechanisms. Anyone can play around with deductive reasoning and produce syllogistic arguments which are logically sound yet complete nonsense. The key is semantics - just because two phenomena are described by similar or even the same terms in language doesn't mean they are related in any kind. See syllogistic fallacies

 

Again, don't get me wrong, I think both religion and mysticism can lead to valuable insights, but they should be treated as abstract allegories, not an equal alternative to the achievements of modern science which have freed us from the chains of superstition.