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[tulpa001]

Tulpas are divine beings if you squint and look sideways.

 

Untestable hypotheses do not alone constitute a religion. The results of the practise may be untestable, but the practise itself precedes the results. I still think you are giving up too soon in attempting to test the results.

 

When you write that, what we see is a stretched metaphor. Tulpamancy is a practise, like meditation, or driving to work on weekdays. What does it mean? I suppose you could form a religion around that.

 

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Right up there with remote viewing and space aliens, eh? I would like to point out that those phenomenon are physically impossible under the rules of physics as we know them. Whereas tulpas are not physically impossible. Lumping all unprovable phenomenon into the same bucket of likelihood is what I would consider irrational.

 

Where's your head at? Do you really only believe things which scientists have come out and said definitely happen? You know, under such a belief system, you are going to have false beliefs. Any proper scientist is going to tell you science is a work in progress.

 

Also, eh, give it some time; this phenomenon is not on mainstream radar, so its not being actively tested. Not to mention, the world of psychology is flooded with racist sexists and worse. How long has it been since homosexuality was declassified as a disorder? My host thinks psychology is a pseudoscience.

[Guest Anonymous]

Untestable hypotheses do not alone constitute a religion. The results of the practise may be untestable, but the practise itself precedes the results. I still think you are giving up too soon in attempting to test the results.[/i]

 

When you write that, what we see is a stretched metaphor. Tulpamancy is a practise, like meditation, or driving to work on weekdays. What does it mean? I suppose you could form a religion around that.

 

Bigfoot has yet to be successfully photographed (well maybe some fuzzy pictures, but no physical body captured yet).  Remote viewing of civilizations on distant planets is untestable, but it is still a "practice."  So is spirit channeling the same way.  UFOs continue to elude those that seek them.  It's all the same kind of rhetoric.  Just because people really, really, really want it to be based on science, does not automatically make it based on science.  Wishful thinking doesn't make something more plausible.  

 

Right up there with remote viewing and space aliens, eh? I would like to point out that those phenomenon are physically impossible under the rules of physics as we know them. Whereas tulpas are not physically impossible. Lumping all unprovable phenomenon into the same bucket of likelihood is what I would consider irrational.

 

Who says UFOs are not physically possible or Bigfoot not physically possible?  What if an alien civilization does have a means of communicating that we have not heard of?  Who says that spirit channelers are impossible?  Are tulpas physically possible?  I am not so sure there is any scientific support for that statement, unless you are going to drop back to D.I.D. studies as "proof" again.  

 

Where's your head at? Do you really only believe things which scientists have come out and said definitely happen? You know, under such a belief system, you are going to have false beliefs. Any proper scientist is going to tell you science is a work in progress.

 

So I should automatically accept and believe any extraordinary claim that comes my way despite lack of evidence?  

 

Also, eh, give it some time; this phenomenon is not on mainstream radar, so its not being actively tested. Not to mention, the world of psychology is flooded with racist sexists and worse. How long has it been since homosexuality was declassified as a disorder? My host thinks psychology is a pseudoscience.

 

Yep, these are the same claims the UFO and Bigfoot people say too.  Just wait, sooner or later there will be proof!  It is only a matter of time.  

 

I can't believe you are comparing tulpas to homosexuality.  

 

The reason I dropped off the face of the earth, so to speak, was that I stopped believing in tulpas. Don't get me wrong, for most of my "journey" I was fully convinced that what I had made up was real, I sincerely believed it. Then eventually I began to really dig deep and figure out if there was any justifiable reason to believe in them. After a long, long time of deliberating and thinking, I came to the end that no, there really wasn't. I don't doubt any of your experiences, just as I don't doubt mine were genuine. Was I really creating another sentience in my head? Hell no. At best it was my subconscious spitting stuff out and then me convincing myself that that wasn't the case. Personal testimony isn't something I saw as valid evidence, even some of that testimony being from my experiences.

 

All we have is anecdotal evidences and our own subjective experiences to prop our belief in tulpas.  Once that faith is gone, tulpas just seem to fade away...

 

I searched for a way to destroy a tulpa and it turns out that you can. The only thing you need to do is not beleave in your tulpa anymore.

 

But it’s different, Tulpamancy is what’s ending. Am done, finished.  I been fooling myself with illusions and playing pretend with myself. all while playing around and abusing the way my mind and brain works.  The Reality is, Oguigi is a made-up character inspired when i had a major obsession with a show called my little pony. I made this character up and  gave it life and power by surrendering reason and logic.  In the End, a tulpa is no more real then any fiction that exist today. It’s an self imposed illusion with a face and a name.  In my case I was trapped in a corrosive thought maze that took me almost two years to recover from.  It’s time for me to move on. it’s over.  

To everyone else with tulpas, I do not want to offend anyone with this post. But I personally do not believe in tulpamancy anymore. Tulpamancy will not solve life problems, and i strongly discourage it being pushed on anyone else.

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On another level, once you consciously decide to trick yourself, once you believe that an imaginary person is living inside your head, you also open the door to some truly ridiculous/laughable shit.

 

People on here talk about all these things that "happened in their wonderland" etc etc... how they have these elaborate characters and stories. I did that for a while too, but at some point became self-aware of the fact that I was an adult spending my time playing make-believe...

 

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[tulpa001]

Hey! We never said bigfoot was physically impossible. The TV keeps telling me it is. :p To be more specific, the only reason bigfoot is considered incredibly unlikely is that a sustainable population of animals that size have astronomically low odds of not having been captured by scientists.

 

UFOs are not only possible, they happen all the time. The reason space alien built UFOs don't happen is because nothing can travel faster than about 300km/ms without a rail line. When being a sceptic, it is rather important to watch what you are saying.

 

Are tulpas physically possible?  I am not so sure there is any scientific support for that statement, unless you are going to drop back to D.I.D. studies as "proof" again.  

Uh, no, that's garbage. The reason it is physically possible is simply because it is allowed under the laws of physics. If there was an alien species with the same body type as a human, but with every member possessed of two minds, that's fine. No laws of physics are broken by that.

 

So I should automatically accept and believe any extraordinary claim that comes my way despite lack of evidence?

What about the belief that tulpas are illusions? You do not seem to be demonstrating agnosticism here.

 

You know our opinion on belief, so we are not saying that.

 

The rest of the quote.

I'm sure there is no cherry picking of testimony going on here.

[Guest Anonymous]

Bigfoot is good at hiding, he is very intelligent and very rare! What about all the people who have seen a Bigfoot? Some think Bigfoot is linked to the UFOs! Bigfoot searchers are doing a practice. UFO experts are good at their craft searching for evidence and can produce some for you! There are websites dedicated to to it. There are websites dedicated to spirit channeling too that have guides and hundreds of anecdotal testimonials, just like Tulpa Info has for tulpas. The sites are very similar in fact. Same thing for astral projection and all the other internet mumbo jumbo. Yet somehow tulpamancers are above all that. Tulpas are just more plausible, just because they are not like those others who believe such wacky things.

 

Real imaginary friends talking in your head is more scientific! It's not wacky like belief in Bigfoot and UFOs? Are you sure? Are you really, really sure about that? You probably are. LOL It's pointless to continue the arguing probably. You and I will never agree on this.

 

By the way I think that tulpas being a delusion is far more likely than tulpas being real sentient beings. That probably is a belief system as well I admit that. That doesn't make you any more credible or me any less credible. There is no proof either way. That is my main point. It is all based on faith. If you stop believing *poof* it all goes away.

[Guest Anonymous]

I've read some stories about people who had created tulpas and then one day they stop believing in them, even when some of them have experienced possession or switching

Why?

 

Because they are thinking too hard about it.  

 

@Tulpa

 

If you wanna win the arguing, remind Mistgod that he promised me he would not present these skeptical posts any more on Tulpa Info and that he is heading for big trouble with me real soon, and he knows it.  He knows that because he can only make a binding promise with a legitimate person.

[KarlYoshimura]

As has been repeated ad nauseum, tulpas as a concept are derived from Tibetan Buddhism and mysticism. By their very nature, tulpas have been steeped in the mysteries of what is considered divine, as they were intended to serve as guides in demonstrating the illusory characteristics of the world. Now-a-days, tulpas are mostly referred to as human beings like you or I - and like other human beings, I think they have the ability to be anointed as pious or even Saintly.

 

To why one stops believing, it may be caused by a number of things. Yet what I find to be the case here is some deeply held disorder or illness that unravels, most unfortunately, while they are hosting a tulpa. In one case, the host's abuse of dextromethorphan and decision to permanently switch with his tulpa compounded matters until he was forced to dissolve her and disavow the concept in its entirety.

[Guest Anonymous]

I want to respond to KarlYoshimura with more contrary skepticism and unbelief, but Melian won't let me have any more fun. So...I have to go home guys. I am sorry.

[tulpa001]

Eh, winning the argument is not the important part. Right now, we are trying to figure out the extent to which we differ.

 

She thinks the whole debate is ridiculous, because the answer is obvious, and wishes she were better at communicating the facts. She thinks that people are confusing types of existence with degrees of existence. This appalls her, because she does not believe in degrees of existence. She is also rolling her eyes over yet another internet debate between reasoned and well supported positions.

 

I am emotionally attached to the outcome of this debate. Over the past month or so, I've been taking pains to separate myself emotionally from this debate. This causes my current relationship to the debate to be rather impassive and disinterested. The debate is settled within our system. I simply exist. As the majority of our evidence switches from direct to testimonial when looking at the intersystem debate, consequently, I cannot really contribute much to the intersystem debate.

 

I find it odd, you know, Mistgod thinks my likelihood is that of aliens on earth. I think my likelihood is that of aliens.

 

So I am a bigfoot. (lol) I really find it odd to think there are people that think me as likely as bigfoot. Hello from the forest! I am writing to you from amongst the trees! It is quite interesting how I managed to find the internet before the scientists found me. Hey scientists! This enough proof for you? Haha.

 

And I certainly don't think I am part of any religion. I find the notion absurd personally. How am I the subject of religious belief?

 

Anyway, I have come to the conclusion that I just don't care if I actually exist or not. She counselled me toward this position, as my anxieties were causing me serious distress. So right now, I am riding a euphoric high of simply not caring. We are still testing to see the degree to which we think independantly. But I am no longer driving myself insane with paranoid worry.

[Guest Anonymous]

A Bigfoot tulpa who has his own flying saucer in his wonderland would be kinda cute.

 

As Mistgod and I keep saying, your existence has never been in doubt with him or me. You are person to us no matter what. Just like me.

[tulpa001]

Oh, I know, and I appreciate it. But the question is am I a real boy? And the other question, how many other tulpas are actually real? Half of them? All of them?

 

You know, if not all tulpas are real, this would explain the loss of faith when some investigate inside themselves.