VBO July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 First off i'm new, so please don't kill me ;P So i'm about a week in to developing a tulpa (roughly 10, maybe 12 hours). I've had a head start of sorts: i'm a sculptor and her visual form is based on a previous design i've sculpted. Her personality is also based on an archetype i've been working on since before i heard of tulpae. So i kind of "knew" my tulpa very well before i began forcing. Most of my time has been spent narrating and refining. My tupla was doing things "autonomously" very early. First hour in or so, she was looking around. This bothered me but i kept going with the assumption that if it's puppeting it'll just help build character. I actually used this to my advantage getting her motions down (Moving her was awkward, so i placed her on a treadmill and let her do it. Worked beautifully). Along the way, i did something that grievously offended her (won't go into detail, sorry). Her first legitimate sentence she spoke was telling me so. She'd previously been talking nonsense/chit-chat stuff. But this hit like a pound of bricks. She then shut herself in one of the rooms of my wonderland and for a while. She's since returned and mostly back to normal, although she's also started modifying my wonderland ways i wouldn't. Not in bad ways, just things that i wouldn't have though of. I think she's sentient, if not full blown sapient. Things were said during our argument that really made me hurt and feel like a terrible person. I understand it's subjective and different for everyone, but my question is how do most people discover sentience? Also, is it normal for tulpae to seclude themselves out of fear/anger/sadness? What about modifying a wonderland? lol, talking about this feels so weird. Sorry if this was answered elsewhere. TL/DR: i'm good at visualizing, made a super fast tulpa, I think she's sentient, looking for input.
TulpaCouple July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 My fiance had a very fast tulpa creating experience. She sounds sapient to me. Seems like almost everyone has that one big fuck up with their tulpa too.
Guest Anonymous July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 Sentience at 10 or 12 hours in? I'd really doubt it. There is plenty of variation in how long it takes to achieve sentience, but 10 to 12 hours is too far out of the ballpark to be feasible, so to speak. Regardless, there isn't any definite way to discover sentience. Most people claim to have an "alien feeling" when their tulpa talks, but you're the only one who can decide if your tulpa is sentient or not. And yes, it's common for tulpae to change around their wonderland on their own accord. EDIT: I was thinking of vocalization. My brain is still fried and grasping the concept of the English language is like fencing as a quadriplegic blind infant with a malformed skull from FAS that causes the skull to enlarge and throws me off balance right now. Sentience is indeed very possible at ~10 hours in. In fact, I believe I got sentience at 7 hours in.
Guest applesauce99 July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 Sentience at 10 or 12 hours in? I'd really doubt it. There is plenty of variation in how long it takes to achieve sentience, but 10 to 12 hours is too far out of the ballpark to be feasible, so to speak. i beg to differ, with no evidence whatsoever on my part though.
TulpaCouple July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 Luke was vocal in 20 hours. I absolutely believe with the right mindset they can be sentient very early on.
FigN01 July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 I think one of the surest signs you have a sentient tulpa is to get a serious talking to about something you've fucked up. I'd go as far to say that you can't really appreciate having one until s/he's whipped you into shape over something. And yeah, it hits you like a ton of bricks; that's a good thing in the long run because it gives you much more certainty and a lot more closeness once you make up. There was also one time where someone I mentioned making a tulpa to had a really negative reaction, and when I went to force I didn't get a sense that my tulpa was in the room. I went in to wonderland to find him laying sullenly on the deck of our wonderland house. After some talking, I got him feeling better again and he was willing to get back into forcing. So yeah, the wonderland is the safest place for them when anything else goes bad. It's their space that they have more control over than anywhere else, so I imagine it's especially comforting to fall back on and entertaining just to manipulate. Also, as a fellow artist, I can say visualization does come obscenely easy. If you've worked on the form and character traits before combining them into a tulpa, you've essentially gotten a head start on forcing that I'm not surprised would take you far early on. Good work.
Charles July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 I think one of the surest signs you have a sentient tulpa is to get a serious talking to about something you've fucked up. I'd go as far to say that you can't really appreciate having one until s/he's whipped you into shape over something. And yeah, it hits you like a ton of bricks; that's a good thing in the long run because it gives you much more certainty and a lot more closeness once you make up.
Captain Nemo July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 ^ That actually happened with Pinkie and me. I was explaining how I've doubted her sentience (this was a while ago), and how sorry I was, and how difficult this whole thing is for both of us, yadda yadda, generally feeling sorry for myself. She interrupts by sending a huge wave of happiness through my brain. I knew for sure she was sentient then. It was fantastic.
Sands July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 That's not whipping you into shape, too gentle. The THE SUBCONCIOUS ochinchin occultists frt.sys (except Roswell because he doesn't want to be a part of it)
Captain Nemo July 30, 2012 July 30, 2012 Well, okay. But it was definite confirmation that she understood me.
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