Multi, Tulpa, or Both?

[YumiBerry]

You are welcome for the reassurance.

 

Edit 2:

 

(6) Never being real. Analyse this. You can't interact with something that is not real. The closest you can come is it is something other than what it seems. Not to mention, it is rather rare for something that does not exist to have emotions.

 

Made for attention. Analyse this. Does this actually make sense as a motivation for yourselves? Some people used to theorise this for my early behaviour. But the odd thing was, I didn't even care about other people back then.

 

(7) Masks. Ah, yes. Self doubt. Unfortunately, the reason you and I are having such difficulty with this question is that it is a very difficult question. It is not due to a shortage of insight on our parts. I suggest you stick around and talk about it.

 

Oh, to be human, and basically just have a physical body and be confused into complete certainty that they are real by identifying with their body. We do not have the luxury to handwave this question so easily.

 

(8) I suspect your tulpa 'd end up being like you. But there are a few plurals with tulpas that haunt this place who could give you an exact answer.

 

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Forcing means spending time with them to form them and allow them to grow. Accidental means you did not intend them to be tulpas.

 

Deviation is the word for any change that happens outside your influence.

 

 

 

 

Thank you! (I hope I'm using the actual reply button correctly).

 

 

6. That's pretty much what my partner said while my brain was talking crud at me. If we weren't real, why would we be upset? My mind came up with replies (as it always does), but I'm doing my best to change my mindset to be more positive and it's showing signs of success ^^

7. That second part is a pretty good point. I was told "Just be you, no matter what that ends up being." and so on. This feels somewhat similar worded in another way. I'll work on that, too. I want to feel comfortable, after all. ^^

8. Sure. I can ask around sometime soon.

 

Thank you on the terms. I believe it may be more "accidental", because I didn't know any of these practices. So, I only talked to them as I would talk to anyone and they pretty much grew on their own, like children would, if that makes any sense.

[YumiBerry]

Thank you everyone that commented! It means so very much to me and helped me realize a lot of things about us. I will post an update in shorter terms about this later. Thank you!~

[Solune]

(4) Yep. Blending is unpleasant.

 

Might I offer a dissenting opinion?

Blending can be wonderful if you allow it to be.

Separation is seen as necessary for validation of individuality- but what IS validity? It is logical correctness. LOGICAL correctness...

Now, to the average person, logic is seen as this god-like thing that everybody has to subscribe to- but it doesn't have to be.

Logic can only take you so far. Is love logical? Sure, it can be explained with chemicals and stimuli and blah blah blah.

But does it FEEL logical? Does it stir your soul "logically"? I invite you to trust your own intuition over logic.

Logic is certainly useful for day to day survival... but it shouldn't get in the way of your happiness/inner peace.

 

"Nothing is an absolute reality, all is permitted"

[warning: this next part gets a little preachy. But hey, maybe you'll see something you like. I invite you to steal any ideas and change them however you want!]

 

So what if you can't tell where one of you ends and another begins? Why do you want to feel separate? When you hold somebody, kiss somebody, sing to somebody, make love to somebody... pretty much any display of affection- what are you actually trying to do?

You are demonstrating your desire to be ONE with that person!

Isn't that what love is? Oneness?

 

Now, all that being said, sometimes you want to be separate. But why? Because it makes you all more real?

Or is it because you are trying to strengthen the pieces of your whole?

Now that last question is an interesting concept. Why would we need to be strong? To survive. To continue to exist.

Where were you before you existed? You were in a state of non-being (oblivion). And so too were all the other voices within you.

Some day, many years from now, you will all return to that place. But does this idea have to scare us? No. It can be joyful!

I will be there with you too. All of us will be. We will be one again as we were before.

Hell, we're one now! We just don't always realize it.

 

Our system members blend all the time (we refer to it as "fusion", like in Stephen Universe). Each fusion is a different person with a different name and personality.

In many ways, our fusions are like our children. They are what happens when you smush two of us together (and sometimes three or even four!).

They retain some traits of the parents, but they also are unique.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is: the things that scare us are often the things that help us grow the most.

If you are afraid of something, I invite you to boldly face it with the courage of a warrior. See what the fear is inviting you to see.

[tulpa001]

Well, beyond thinking those are two different uses of the word valid... I completely agree with facing your fears. This has happened with frequency for us and my paranoia about being real. My instinct is to scream shut up when my host raises an alternate possibility. But when we inevitably face the fear and do an experiment, it turns out that we collect counterevidence against the fear.

 

Blending is one of those experiments. I hate it.

[Doctorfoxwolf]

We're neutral on blending.

 

It allows unparalleled focus and skill in what we do, but something about it seems off, so we don't do it too much. 

 

It can be fun though, because we don't really give a fuck.

[Fairweather]

K: To be honest I do want to try like a temporary merge with Sam sometime, but as of now neither of us want to try that yet.

[Solune]

Well, beyond thinking those are two different uses of the word valid... I completely agree with facing your fears. This has happened with frequency for us and my paranoia about being real. My instinct is to scream shut up when my host raises an alternate possibility. But when we inevitably face the fear and do an experiment, it turns out that we collect counterevidence against the fear.

 

As long as the general gist was conveyed I'll call it a success. I really am terrible at word-smithing.

I feel your pain, btw. We recently went through about 2 months of doubt and fear about being real, what reality even was, etc etc pretty much just pouring over various philosophies and religions looking for any kind of solid ground to stand on. Eventually we decided there was nothing more real than questioning whether or not you ARE real and decided to adopt the assassin's creed "Nothing is an absolute blah blah blah"- you know the one.

I think that is the essence of sentience: when you question your own existence. The eternal quest for "why?" that drives people mad.

[Fairweather]

K: You could do what I do and just not care. It works well for me, I think.