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Do tulpas who know how to switch have more "brainpower"?


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To lay this out to start with I'm gonna say that I subscribe to the idea that an inactive tulpa (i.e. a tulpa who does nothing but sleep) probably isn't being challenged enough mentally and can erode, or become less aware/conscious/tulpaish as time goes on.

 

I've thought a lot about how switching must work. For those that don't know, Chris and I don't do any switching or possession and don't intend to. I'm operating under the idea that switching isn't just a reassignment (host saying "okay, I'm the tulpa now" and acting like the tulpa) and amounts to a skill more or less.

 

The thing is though, the skill is living life. Are tulpas who are good at switching receiving more mental exercise than those that don't and therefore, more mentally capable in general?

 

I was trying to think of a way that this could be measured, something people here could realistically do, and couldn't think of anything.

 

I just think that it stands to reason that if a tulpa who isn't interacted with fades over time, then a tulpa who switches a whole lot should become more powerful. I don't know in what way, maybe just in general, maybe in a way that could be measured with IQ. It'd be hard to look at, because in the case of tulpas who aren't switched in, I think there'd be more bleed, as in the tulpa would naturally fall back on the host to answer questions even without both being aware that it was happening.

 

Let me know what you guys think about this, my bad if anything's unclear.

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[Edit: please don't take anything our host posted this long ago as being stuff we necessarily still believe in -Apollo]

 

Most of my beliefs on tulpae are either theoretical or based on what I've read, and usually a mixture of both. I do not have a tulpa who can switch but it's our main goal.

 

When a tulpa and host switch positions so that the tulpa is completely tapped into the body's senses and has full control over the body so that they experience life the way everybody else does, it definitely takes more brain power and more than likely increases it as a result. Processing all of the senses and information, I'd imagine, would be a more mentally exhausting task than it would be for the host, because the host is used to doing it for their entire life. They also have to be at the point where their input to the brain is as strong as the host's and can override or push back the host.

 

The brain accepts input and doesn't care who it's coming from, but a tulpa has to have strong enough mental power in order for the brain to process its input at all. Controlling and feeling the entire body, of course, is a complicated task that would improve brain function. Which, pun intended, is a no-brainer.

 

Human babies are born knowing how to move and process the body's senses, but they have to learn higher thinking later on. A developed enough tulpa can think like a human can, but has to learn how to move the (entire) body later on. It's reversed, so it might seem like a breeze for hosts. But it's something that must be learned and developed for tulpae, and there is never any case where learning cannot improve brain power, I don't think.

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To put short, the tulpa that is switched will have the same amount of brain power as before, in which just being switched out doesn't change that. Often that's why it's a good idea to make sure the tulpa is developed enough to be able to hold their own before switching, because they would have to sometimes help the host with and after the switch.

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To clarify: when I say "brainpower" what I mean is the ability to complete tasks, basically how much of your brains CPU (inb4 computers are a shitty analogy people show up, yeah man whatever) your tulpa is capable of using at any given time.

 

 

Human babies are born knowing how to move and process the body's senses, but they have to learn higher thinking later on. A developed enough tulpa can think like a human can, but has to learn how to move the (entire) body later on.

 

 

This is a little closer to what I'm getting at. Do you think a human being who was born in a void and never used a body would have less mental capabilities than someone with a body? In general, or just with specific things like maybe spatial reasoning for example?

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This is a little closer to what I'm getting at. Do you think a human being who was born in a void and never used a body would have less mental capabilities than someone with a body? In general, or just with specific things like maybe spatial reasoning for example?

 

The brain sections off different tasks and abilities, but I'd say overall if you're adequate at one task then it would help you learn and develop others quickly. Ex: people who take music classes usually get higher grades in math. It's likely a brain-training thing. Plus, a tulpa that taps into the body and controls/feels it would be able to understand things better. It's a bit abstract. Perhaps I'll return to this thread in the distant future and give my tulpa a chance to give his opinion after switching :P

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K: I think what you are asking is if the tulpa is the one that gets control of being the primary thinker and all, if that's what you mean, then yeah.

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I'm a little frustrated that I seem to be unable to word this in a way that makes what I'm trying to ask clear.

 

Third time's the charm: Yes, switching takes more mental power, just like any high energy or hard task, I assume. Do you think that becoming able to switch permenantly levels up a tulpa's abilities? As in, not just while "switched in" but all the time, or while the switching is done often enough that it's do-able (don't know if this is an ability that can be lost or fade without practice but I assume it is)

 

Yeah Beatles that's kind of what I'm talking about. It's like if you learn a language you suddenly get better at all this mental stuff that you weren't before. I guess learning how to switch could do the same thing but I'm more interested in how learning would affect the tulpa specifically.

 

I can't get this idea out of my head because some kind of describable gain in power by the tulpa could be an interesting idea to work with as far as developing a better understanding of what kind of shit contributes best to forcing.

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Okay fine, I'll get around to answering this and the introvert/extrovert threads. Sorry I'm lazy.

 

Yes's all around. I have like four things I want to write as my first sentence so bear with me. The way of measuring is simply paying attention to my tulpas over time, which I have absolutely done, and we've written about effects of activity levels on the forum many times before. We've always considered switching a pretty dang good means of forcing, because using the thinking mind (if you don't 'subscribe' to that idea, then just being in the position of handling stimuli from the outside world) and being put in tons of new (to them, at least) scenarios is forcing barely attainable without Mistgod levels of imagination. Like - well, I'll get back to that in a sec. You might be thinking about this in a slightly wrong way though, I wouldn't call it making them "more powerful", it's just really good forcing. Really good for activity, really good for developing advanced personality stuff with how they deal with things and how they think, really good for gaining experience. About what you'd logically expect really, your tulpa's experiencing the world and not just what you and they can imagine in your head.

 

The way it affects them in-mind/afterwards is not "another level of tulpa-dom", it's just equivalent to really good forcing, honestly. They become more well-rounded, more capable of unique ways of thinking, and have more of their own experiences to draw on - not the least of which is how they thought about things in the past. But this is not exclusive to tulpas who practice switching (or for some, possession). Melian is a perfect example of (excuse me, you two) an extremely well developed tulpa who's had zero experience possessing or switching with their host. Because Mistgod's been so persistent and thorough with his "forcing" and has such a vivid imagination, he's gotten the same level of forcing that you're thinking of. She may not have the same experiences a tulpa has from actually dealing with life stuff, but she does have the well-rounded personality and unique thought processes. Basically, I'm saying switching is not necessary if you're willing to put the time and effort into really forcing your tulpa. There's some little stigma from some point in time about tulpas needing to switch to be "fully developed" that I'm trying to avoid. It just seems like switching is so great, because most hosts never force their tulpas that well with traditional means. Some do, though. And it's definitely not a level of development in the sense that they're undeveloped if they aren't that. It's part of the ", and then the rest of their lives" development. A tulpa's activity can be much more or less than average, and they'll likely see the effects of that. But it's just tulpa and host preference.

 

Relevant, although not entirely based on switching, https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas?pid=131994#pid131994 (See, told you we've written on this before Stevie)

 

Basically, switching is really good forcing because it subjects your tulpa to all sorts of new experiences automatically, with them automatically figuring out how to deal with them and how they feel towards them, etc. etc. It's probably much easier than traditional forcing for the same results, if you can (and want) to switch. If you don't want to or can't, but still want to see the same results in your tulpa, you'll need to make an effort to expand the types of experiences they have in your mind. Not all the time, but I hesitate to imply "forcing sessions", it could be anything from wonderland adventures to simply posing hypotheticals. The point is to give them more things to think about, and subsequently more experience to work off of. Engaging them often (again, not necessarily by forcing) will account for the activity part.

 

And honestly, you should probably do both if you can. I'm working on spending time with my tulpas in other ways right now, because just saying "go do whatever you want" and switching feels lazy. Sure, it's good development for them mentally, but it's not spending time together (necessarily). Their own personal development is not even close to all you have to worry about if you want to improve your 'tulpamancy' skills. Visualization and mindvoice clarity are two really important ones that switching doesn't necessarily improve at all. Visualization and actually-spending-time-with-them are the skills I'm focusing on right now.

 

(Wasn't even thinking about you two while writing that, Stevie and Chris, but I guess it applies to you too)

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Basically, switching is really good forcing because it subjects your tulpa to all sorts of new experiences automatically, with them automatically figuring out how to deal with them and how they feel towards them, etc. etc. It's probably much easier than traditional forcing for the same results, if you can (and want) to switch. If you don't want to or can't, but still want to see the same results in your tulpa, you'll need to make an effort to expand the types of experiences they have in your mind. Not all the time, but I hesitate to imply "forcing sessions", it could be anything from wonderland adventures to simply posing hypotheticals. The point is to give them more things to think about, and subsequently more experience to work off of. Engaging them often (again, not necessarily by forcing) will account for the activity part.

 

This has been our experience as well. Switching does not inherently give tulpas increased processing power, nor is it only achievable for those above a certain level of processing power. However, it makes for an excellent catalyst for tulpa development by allowing them to interact with the world and grow from their experiences. Switching allows a tulpa to develop the same way the host developed, by responding to the external world. It creates novel experiences and opportunities for growth traditional forcing doesn't offer.

 

Interaction with the external world can make a huge difference for development. Even before switching is achieved, a tulpa will benefit from communicating via proxy with new people. In our experience, it has been the strongest developing force we've found.

 

On another note, being switched DOES increase a tulpas processing power in our experience. When the host is dormant, the tulpa is no longer sharing processing power with them. This is very noticeable for us, and the added brainpower from switching is one of my tulpas favorite aspects of it.

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Human babies are born knowing how to move and process the body's senses, but they have to learn higher thinking later on.

 

Not quite. Human babies spend the first few years of life learning that. However, that would be more accurate for some other animals.

 

Ex: people who take music classes usually get higher grades in math.

Heard that was a rumour. Anyway, even if there is a study that shows that, it can be explained away by those who are good at math are more likely to take music classes.

 

On another note, being switched DOES increase a tulpas processing power in our experience. When the host is dormant, the tulpa is no longer sharing processing power with them. This is very noticeable for us, and the added brainpower from switching is one of my tulpas favorite aspects of it.

Oh, yeah, we got that. It is now our belief that this is a form of blending that we confused for switching. But it catalysed my intellectual growth considerably.

 


 

Of course a switched in tulpa learns more skills. It is an ideal learning environment compared to not being switched in.

 

To be very specific on the brainpower stuff: learning more skills means you can do more things. Learning skills better means you need less brainpower to do the skill. The two always feedback on each other. The overall effect is always the appearance of more brainpower.

 

On the other hand, if you want to talk about literal brainpower, (voltage), the body is very heavy compared to just thinking. So that will level up for sure.

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