Sci Show Video on Mindvoice

[Ranger]

I was watching this video and I thought it was really interesting:

 

 

Learning about how people experience mindvoice is useful because talking to your tulpa doesn't always make sense to some people. The video even covers schizophrenia and Imposition, which is also interesting.

 

Watch the whole thing, and the conclusion is a real treat.

 

Spoilers and my thoughts:

 

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I remember someone with schizo-affective disorder giving the voices they hear forms and realized they were random movie lines and random people they heard during the day. I think it makes a lot of sense if some voices were indeed inner speech or just intrusive thoughts like earworms floating around that got mislabeled or something. Although I'm not sure if changing the "I" label is enough to fix this disconnect...

 

We use mindvoice for a few reasons. The first is we suck at processing, so impressions and tulpish are too fast for us to process and we end up missing what the other headmate says. Words are slower and easier to remember. The second is we were trained to communicate with words given our autism, and ironically we struggle to communicate in wonderland without expressing ourselves using words. I also wonder if abstract concepts in general are harder for us to process, so abstract tulpish tends to fly over our heads anyway.

 

We talk to ourselves a lot, and I'm not talking about the in-system kind. I talk to myself a lot, but Cat does it a lot more. However, our self-talk is more focus oriented and honestly to hear ourselves talk. We have an easier time processing what we're thinking if we're saying it out loud, and sometimes the delay between thinking and speaking gives us a chance to process what we are saying after it's said.

 

Our mindvoice sounds like a voice, but I can tell it's not true auditory imposition because it's not exactly like a real voice. This has confused us before, but now I'm wondering why there's a "seperate channel" for auditory imposition when it biologically looks like it's the same thing.

 

"How many people are doing this and do you even want to?" if only you knew Hank, if only you knew.

 

Edited November 15, 2020 by Ranger
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[capricornus]

This is definitely very interesting!!

I know that part of why I decided to pursue tulpamancy in the first place was because I talk to myself a lot, and I felt very lonely in my own head, having nobody but myself to talk to and nobody but my own thoughts to respond to myself. On occasion, I felt as though I was losing my mind. I definitely think having Tel around is already helping with this, from the limited conversations I've had with him.

The downside of that, of course, is the fact that separating talking to myself from talking to Tel can be disorienting this early in his development. However, we did build our wonderland to mitigate that (we each have our own rooms, where we can be separated from each other if we want to be alone).

[LilBitGhostly]

Interesting video!  I had meant to comment here a while ago, actually.

 

I hadn't heard that people tend to mentally read only certain words.  In my reading, I read every word.  And every writer I come across has their own voice that my mind generates for them.  Even if I know what the writer actually sounds like, they get a different voice anyways.  I've read that other people either read in their own mindvoice, the voice of someone familiar, or don't have a voice at all.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 11:01 AM, Ranger said:

We use mindvoice for a few reasons. The first is we suck at processing, so impressions and tulpish are too fast for us to process and we end up missing what the other headmate says. Words are slower and easier to remember.

I actually rely on mindvoice for the same reason.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 11:01 AM, Ranger said:

The second is we were trained to communicate with words given our autism, and ironically we struggle to communicate in wonderland without expressing ourselves using words. I also wonder if abstract concepts in general are harder for us to process, so abstract tulpish tends to fly over our heads anyway.

I went through speech therapy as a child too.  Although... I remember very little of what happened into those sessions.  Which is probably why I hadn't really considered how it would affect my inner speech before.  But yeah, when we use tulpish, it takes a moment for the actual meaning of what was conveyed to settle in.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 11:01 AM, Ranger said:

We talk to ourselves a lot, and I'm not talking about the in-system kind. I talk to myself a lot, but Cat does it a lot more. However, our self-talk is more focus oriented and honestly to hear ourselves talk.

Every member of my system has engaged in internal monologuing.  Kokichi and I are probably the most prone to it.  A lot of this involves something like explaining something to a hypothetical listener to process things we learn.  And because I do this so much, any time one of the others fronts they try to talk as much as possible to feel more in focus.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 11:01 AM, Ranger said:

Our mindvoice sounds like a voice, but I can tell it's not true auditory imposition because it's not exactly like a real voice.

Same here.  I've only been able to impose audio just a few times, but it feels incredibly different.  I react very physically to it.  The first time, I was talking to Adelaide and Reiji and I was hearing Adelaide in my right ear and Reiji in my left.  Adelaide said something and it came across so loudly that it actually made my ears hurt a little.  Another time she whispered to me (again, only in one ear) and I felt shivers run down the back of my neck from how real it sounded.  I think that could have been frisson or an ASMR response?  I've never felt anything like that from mindvoice alone.

 

On 11/15/2020 at 11:01 AM, Ranger said:

This has confused us before, but now I'm wondering why there's a "seperate channel" for auditory imposition when it biologically looks like it's the same thing.

I'm thinking that would be because auditory imposition tricks the brain into thinking it's receiving sound from an external source.  The brain is able to process external sounds and mindvoice at the same time.  Otherwise people would effectively go deaf during their inner monologue.  Even though I might not be able to understand the words from the movie playing in the other room because I'm focused on my own mindvoice, I'm still aware of them.  So if auditory imposition makes the brain regard a sound as being from an outside source, I think it would make sense that it can overlap with mindvoice.

[evgenirus]

[Sunny] A note regarding the "Mindvoice is used to predict and correct what we say" theory mentioned in the video.

In our system, at least when I speak in mindvoice, there usually is a tulpish "pre-echo" that Jay often notices. And that pre-echo often contains mistakes that are corrected when the words are actually vocalized in mindvoice.

Also, we aren't sure if Jay ever corrects words spoken out loud after vocalizing them in mindvoice. And actually, I don't think he ever vocalizes words internally right before speaking them out loud.

So I guess the simple "online autocorrect" that the video seems to refer to happens before the mindvoice for us, and mindvoice rehearsal is used for more advanced "offline editing".