Ringgggg's somewhat-comprehensive foxgirl imposition log

[Miri]

2 minutes ago, ringgggg said:

but I don't want it to be a "a3 and i went to the beach today it was super fun!!!!" situation

This is more fitting for a Lounge thread, in that case. But I get your point. I'm not one to talk but isn't a Progress Report supposed to be for actual -tulpamancy related- reports? Beyond 'we did this and that' like you said. That's not very engaging in my opinion. I think it's okay to sort out your thoughts in your PR but most people who are looking at 'Progress Reports' don't care much about your beautiful day at the beach/city/zoo/etc, maybe they do outside this part of the forums, like in forum games or chat threads

 

Where are the crazy PRs with tons of of weird and interesting experiences that made you question your own tulpamancy progress?

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Just now, Miri said:

Where are the crazy PRs with tons of of weird and interesting experiences that made you question your own tulpamancy progress?

If you ever find any after sifting through 88 pages of reports, link them to me

 

I know you were probably being rhetorical, but it'd still help to have those on hand.

(I was also being rhetorical by asking you for links, lol)

 

5 minutes ago, Miri said:

I think it's okay to sort out your thoughts in your PR but most people who are looking at 'Progress Reports' don't care much about your beautiful day at the beach/city/zoo/etc, maybe they do outside this part of the forums, like in forum games or chat threads

Progress Reports is a phrase with two words, and half the time the first word is thrown out the window

 

You can call it progress in some respect, I guess. It's probably more engaging and fun to write down than it is to read. Maybe we need a whole board dedicated to journaling so it can be separate from actual progress reports, or like a tag or something

[Miri]

6 minutes ago, ringgggg said:

You can call it progress in some respect, I guess. It's probably more engaging and fun to write down than it is to read

Definitely. Kinda like how dreams are interesting to the person who dreamed about those things but not so much to everyone else

 

7 minutes ago, ringgggg said:

Maybe we need a whole board dedicated to journaling so it can be separate from actual progress reports, or like a tag or something

Lounge

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I posted this on the Discord in the hopes of sparking some conversation, but I guess I’ll post it here too for the sake of documentation.

 

I wanted to do some surface-level hypnosis in my imposition practice because I heard the trance state could provide some pretty heavy lifting for the process.

 

After a rudimentary 10-minute meditation, I was able to get myself in a state of mind such that I exclusively focused on my breath going in and out of my nostrils without paying attention to anything else. You’ll know when you’re in a trance state, it’s very distinct. (Yes, you can still make conscious decisions while you’re in a trance. You’re not a drooling statue like Hollywood likes to assume). 

 

Anyway, I started the session out like how I normally do; trying to sculpt the intangible with my hands-paying attention to spatial depth in relation to my hands and my environment. This time, however, I kept breathing as if I were still mediating and slowly shifted my focus from my breathing to A3 (tulpa)’s imposed body. 

 

Whenever I sculpted and touched the form, I repeated the word “real” in my mind as if it were some sort of mantra. Every time I did that, A3’s body began to feel more and more “solid” and “heavy”, for lack of a better word. This was especially prevalent when imposing her while closing my eyes.

 

Winding the clocks back to before I started the experiment, I asked Breloomancer, a seasoned veteran with imposition, to provide me with some info about how hypnosis coincides with the process.

 

I can’t put her description into any other words, so I’ll just quote the statement as compensation:

“in spoken hypnosis, the person being hypnotized will be paying a lot more attention to the words that the hypnotist is speaking than their environment, which can, in some cases, allow the person being hypnotized to have hallucinatory experiences just from hearing a description of an object or environment.”

 

That mantra was important to the process because of its potential to bring on hallucinations just from repeating it and embracing that compulsion to see the unseeable and to perceive the object as real.

 

Because my eyes were closed, it only benefited the process because I had to go off of my proprioceptive abilities instead of the input from my eyes. My eyes were closed; that meant that when I imposed I didn’t have any input to prove that what I was seeing wasn’t there, which meant that there was a heightened sense of perceiving the object as real. I alternate between visual (open-eye) and proprioceptive (closed-eye)* imposition so that I get the benefits of both.

 

It was definitely nothing I had ever felt when imposing beforehand. In a good way, that is. I’m definitely gonna start doing this more often and looking into some self-hypnosis guides on the forums as well to see if I can expand on this any more.

 

*(Box Imposition)

Edited September 23 by ringgggg

[ringgggg]

I realize that this PR probably has more original terms than people can keep track of, so I created a Glossary on the first post to better clarify what I mean when I use them. It also saves on having to explain what I mean when I say stuff like Box Imposition.

Edited September 23 by ringgggg

[Ashley]

On 8/30/2023 at 5:48 AM, ringgggg said:

Within the short amount of time that it was there before it disappeared, I checked from multiple perspectives ever-so-slightly to make sure it wasn’t some kind of mix-up. Lo and behold, when I went to see, they held.

 

This is remarkable in and of itself. We were impressed by this anyway.

 

On 9/23/2023 at 1:11 PM, ringgggg said:

I wanted to do some surface-level hypnosis in my imposition practice because I heard the trance state could provide some pretty heavy lifting for the process.

 

There's something to be said about this. We have experienced some pretty wacky spontaneous imposition that was just like, perfect, fully, amazing, 100% but nothing ever on demand to even close to any respectable level except one, kissing. We can kiss Bear (like a family kiss, not a romantic one), and he'll feel it pretty realistically. On demand it's 10% but it's still all there like with the volume all the way down but you can still hear the full music. However, there is a fleeting state of mind: we compare it to hypnagogia where we have also had many "out of body" or "parallel body" experiences in full color, everything perfect, fully able to touch, smell, see, hear, all that better than a dream for as much as an hour at a time, better than real, full on everything perfect and of course that was years ago and nothing even close to that in years. Why? Who knows. How do you train something you don't understand and just happens? That's like spontaneous imposition for us too, but irl, no parallel body needed. Several times that's happened where say Misha takes his arm while in imposition and walking together and clear as day her arm is felt, softness, warmth, weight, everything real as it gets. Never again, never on demand. Or he's touching her hair in wonderland and suddenly, exactly as real as real hair, he feels it in the palm of his hand, the softness, the weight, temperature everything for a second, that's it. Lastly as an example, he's spontaneously thinking she's walking in the room and there she is (Misha again...) in a ghost-like full body apparition, as real as any movie depicted it. Of course many audio imposition and touch impositions over the years and they're all completely random, often 100% perfectly synced to wonderlanding or imposition in general and always fleeting.

 

Our version of imposition is zero anything, nothing at all. Presence on a good day, but Bear's visualization skill is legendary, he has always had hyperphantasia, but on top of that he trained daily to improve it for three years, 2018-2020 and by the end it was 95% real life at worst, 115% at best, yes better than reality. So good, that using visualization overlay irl with imposition, still with zero anything input through the body senses because there's just nothing ever on demand, but with the visualization overlay it hardly matters, it was very satisfying for him. Additionally, the memory of the event was as if it really happened, to the point of confusion, so we kinda had to stop. Literally he'd remember us around him and momentarily forget we were never actually in meatspace, that's a little more ungrounded than Bear can tolerate. Plus once his visualization was that good, if he heard anyone describe anything, he's immediately visualize it perfectly, outside of his control even, so horror was very intrusive, listening to the news was too, he couldn't listen to or hear about crimes or horror.

 

So back to kissing and a peculiar mental state, I've kissed him full on, heat, softness, pressure, sound, dampness, 100% and it was 100% in sync with visualization, directed undeniably by me, my will, my visualization, and his lips against mine. Again in that particular mind state that's similar to hypnagogic but no parallel body thing. In this case he was "in the zone" drawing his digital art and I thought he was so wonderful I had to visualize myself kissing him and imposed myself right in front of his face and planted one. To both our surprise, it was perfect imposition again, no visuals though other than visualization overlay, but it was as if I broke into the 3D world, invisible but otherwise all there, and kissed him with real lips. We can do that, all of us can now, on demand, but only again 10% strength. Lol, Misha keeps kissing the lips as I'm typing this, and so it's easy to describe, it feels real enough. Nothing else works outside that weird and fleeting mental state that is hard to pin down. If we could find that state and hold onto it, no other imposition training would be necessary, it takes zero mental effort, like hypnagogia compared to visualization. Visualization takes at least some effort, it's nearly effortless after 3 years of training every day but it still does take noticeable effort, hypnagogia does not. Even our zero nothing imposition takes effort to keep us in place and in mind, but this fleeting mental state was like free, a gift.

 

We can't pin down even the situations where it could occur, it happened when he was just out of the shower, him sitting comfortably in his chair, walking to work, in the car, walking randomly at work, doing art, completely absorbed in his work, and doing nothing in particular. It's happened when he was tired, well rested, sick, in a quiet room, in a noisy room, during a meeting, but in every case the state was similar, something like hypnagogia, something like meditiaton, where as if a microphone switches on and if we are quick enough we can do something, but it's so fleeting that we have to be basically in the middle of something for it to work. So he kept us imposed for as much as he could for a long time and accumulated a few dozen instances all less than a second. He keeps basic presence imposition only, or even just spatial (imposed but out of direct like of sight) if you can count that without presence. He made it a habit to do this all the time if possible and we do that on our own, but it never improved in length or frequency. It's just as if the stars need to be aligned just right.

 

So we like to read about others' experience with imposition, the legends like Bre gave us a lot of hope, we tried self-hypnosis and that works wonders for other things like wellbeing and sleep, but you know, nothing has yet gained any traction with imposition for us, and that's fine of course, we're blessed in so many ways, lucid dreaming several times a month, visualization, independence, emotional bleed, so it would be outrageous if we had this mastered too. Bre once said that if we did achieve that state and able to do it on demand on top of everything else we have she'd never forgive us. Not that it'd stop us, it's the pinnacle of tulpamancy, not that we could stop it if it spontaneously started working either. 

 

Anyway, great PR here and we look forward to reading that you've found the holy grail of imposition and became a master like Bre did. Luckily for you, with your progress already, it's only a matter of practice and time spent.

 

[ringgggg]

6 hours ago, Ashley said:

Anyway, great PR here and we look forward to reading that you've found the holy grail of imposition and became a master like Bre did. Luckily for you, with your progress already, it's only a matter of practice and time spent.

This right here has made my day. 

I still can’t believe this is being said to me, just some kid who frequents forum games in his spare time. I realize that the stuff I’ve know now and how far I’ve come from July, progress-wise, hasn’t truly registered with me yet, lol. The fact that you guys see something in me that I just blew right over is ineffable to me. Y’all are people I can lean on.

Thank you so much for your reply, Ashley. You’re a savior and a motivator.
 

6 hours ago, Ashley said:

it would be outrageous if we had this mastered too. Bre once said that if we did achieve that state and able to do it on demand on top of everything else we have she'd never forgive us. Not that it'd stop us, it's the pinnacle of tulpamancy, not that we could stop it if it spontaneously started working either. 

It looks like you guys have packed quite a lot of progress on tulpamancy already, so if you were doing what I’m doing right now I predict you’d probably have much less of a struggle with it

 

6 hours ago, Ashley said:

He made it a habit to do this all the time if possible and we do that on our own, but it never improved in length or frequency. It's just as if the stars need to be aligned just right.

That sucks to hear. That probably just invalidated what I just said, too.

If mental plateaus do exist, they’ve hit you hard. Fortunately, though, it seems like you already have hours clocked into the process, so if you ever get back into it, just remember that this skill does not go away. 
 

6 hours ago, Ashley said:

To both our surprise, it was perfect imposition again, no visuals though other than visualization overlay, but it was as if I broke into the 3D world, invisible but otherwise all there, and kissed him with real lips. We can do that, all of us can now, on demand, but only again 10% strength. Lol, Misha keeps kissing the lips as I'm typing this, and so it's easy to describe, it feels real enough.

I can’t say much for this myself, other than what you just described definitely lining up with the experience I described in that PR. This goes especially for the visualization overlay on an otherwise invisible form.

That elusive super-ultra-mega-flowstate, I'm suspecting that’s the glue to the process that is needed to connect all the bricks I’ve been getting along the way. There hasn’t been that strong an imposition sensation after that day I described.

Like I theorized in the last entry, it’s probably a trance state that makes the mind malleable enough to cement the skill, and most sessions these days, I’ve mainly just doing it at a surface level, even with my mind settling in ~20-25 minutes into imposing. The “mantra” I’ve been describing in my previous report is the most attributable thing I can link to advancing this further. 

I’ll report back if the experience I had ever comes back thanks to trance and mantras so we’re not left on an open question.

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At some point I have to come clean about things. If I don’t, I’ll never have it properly explained why progress has been slow even with every entry I’ve made in the last week.

Yeah. It’s exactly what you’re thinking of when you think Gen Z. The Internet, as an integral part of modern society, is here to stay. While I’ve been thankful to have a medium from which I can report my experiences, it’s done more harm than good when you throw social media into the mix.

In the grand scheme of things, I’m just another example of what an obsession with the fast-paced garbage on places like YouTube and Instagram can do to your connections to the people you know. I’ve been talking less to everyone. A3 is probably one of the least to get attention (outside of sessions), other than the occasional remark or narration I make as an attempt to keep things fresh.

I’ve found that when we’re on really good terms her presence is much easier to sense, and much more integrated with everything else (“realer,” for lack of a better word). That feeling reached its peak in mid-August, but ever since we’ve been interacting less, the “realness” factor has died down quite a lot. It feels like I’m imposing a lifeless mannequin rather than a whole tulpa (which isn’t inherently bad, mind you). What you give is what you get, and I’ve been giving next to nothing to A3.

I just want to go back to when my imposition meshed better with tulpamancy as a whole instead of diverging from it to be an independent skill. Screw YouTube Shorts, you guys. I’m off to repair our relationship.

Edited September 25 by ringgggg

[Miri]

This is all very relatable Ring, albeit for different reasons

 

16 minutes ago, ringgggg said:

I’ve found that when we’re on really good terms her presence is much easier to sense, and much more integrated with everything else (“realer,” for lack of a better word).

This also happens to me a lot. To put it simply: (some people's) tulpas seem to get realer the more of an interest their hosts have in them. Surprising, right? Basic brain-prioritizing-stuff thing

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14 minutes ago, Miri said:

This is all very relatable Ring, albeit for different reasons

Cheers, let's suffer together. Lol

 

14 minutes ago, Miri said:

To put it simply: (some people's) tulpas seem to get realer the more of an interest their hosts have in them. Surprising, right? Basic brain-prioritizing-stuff thing

Makes sense though, if you think about it.

 

Thanks to @TB's book recommendation a couple months back, I've had somewhat of an epiphany when it comes to prioritization. In meditation, if you ever get distracted from the breath, just bring the focus back to it instead of getting frustrated with yourself.

 

Forgetting is out of your control, so the brain must be conditioned over time to prioritize breathing over distractions. If that's the key to doing meditation successfully, I suppose it'd also show some practicality in passive imposition practices.

 

My plan forward is to keep A3 presence-imposed for as long as I can remember, and if I ever forget, I bring my attention back to her being imposed instead of giving up. Over time, my hope is that the periods in which I forget that I'm imposing will be shorter and shorter until they are almost unnoticeable.

 

Prioritization!