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I've just been wondering if someone makes a tulpa if the mental disabilities the host might have will pass onto the tulpa or if the tulpa will be mentally sound. Like if a autist made a tulpa that was intended to be neurotypical would it work or would it be impossible since the autist can't understand normal thought?

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It slightly depends on which kind you're talking about. Depression for example does not always affect the tulpas in a system (although it can), and then when switching, they may be more resistant to those thought patterns than the host. But unfortunately with things like autism, the brain can't just magically change how it works and make that not affect tulpas. So, the more "mental" disorders that are more about thought patterns and all can have less or even no effect on tulpas (though again, a tulpa could also be depressed along with the host, it's just up to who they are), but the more "neurological" disorders at best might be coped with better by a tulpa, but not entirely circumvented or anything.

 

That said, with say autism or mostly mental-based disorders/personality disorders, tulpas acting as a second perspective on things can still help someone out a lot, exercising your brain's ability to see things from a different (or someone else's) perspective. So tulpas can help quite a bit with various problems, though they won't be able to cure you of something that's not purely mental but actually neurological.

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I strongly suspect all tulpas in a system are affected by the disability the host has. If the host is autistic, their tulpas are autistic. If the host has depression, their tulpas have depression. However, this will become more obvious once the tulpa switches in.

 

Mental health conditions aren't designed to examine your headmate's symptoms in the back, but tulpas can be affected by their host or primary fronter's mental health. For instance, severe depression may manifest as communication issues and a moody tulpa in-head. Typically being in the back puts you in a more detached state, so the experience tends to not be as severe. Additionally, if the tulpa is detached from the reasons a host is feeling anxious or depressed, a tulpa is likely to display few if any symptoms

 

On 7/6/2023 at 12:00 AM, Least insane hoi4 player. said:

would it be impossible since the autist can't understand normal thought?

 

Hm? I see no reason an autistic person isn't capable of understanding "normal" thoughts. From a very literal point of view, autistic people are capable of having mindvoice, visualization, and raw thought/tulpish experiences. As far as social norms, understanding social cues is unrelated to your ability to process information. For more severe forms of autism, they tend to have a much stronger sensory experience, so they could imagine what it's like to be "normal" while someone who's "normal" probably can't understand an autistic person's experiences.

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I'm autistic, and it's interesting that a few months ago, I discussed this with my ex, who is also a system too: Can an autistic brain create a neurotypical tulpa?

 

 

Our conclusion was: No. After all, autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder; your brain is what it is. Fundamentally, I think it's strange (even offensive) to discuss whether a tulpa (or other consciousness entity) would be "normal."

 

 

However, it's worth mentioning that there might be situations where your tulpa doesn't front, doesn't need to deal with real life, while you might have to face "terrible" social situations and overloads! So, when processing information, the tulpa might have "fewer" impairments, so the tulpa might appear neurotypical.

 

 

Autism is a spectrum; each individual differs in sensory sensitivities, intelligence, talents, emotions, executive functioning, and social skills. Its existence is a fact, not "Hey, this person seems 'very' autistic!"

 

 

Also, I discussed another interesting term with my ex at the time. While browsing the plural wiki, I saw the term "ADHD holder." Logically, this is impossible, for the same reason (ADHD has an ADHD-style brain). But in reality, my personal experience and feedback from my friends suggest that some members have different attention allocation patterns. These friends are all autistic and also have ADHD; some have spontaneously formed adaptive systems, others have created tulpas, and some are traumagenic. From a subjective, non-scientifically verified perspective, my view is that even within the same brain (nervous system), different members may have different attention allocation patterns and social styles.

 

 

And I must mention that the percentage of autistic people in the plural community (including those with tulpas) is ridiculously high. Sadly, I don't have academic research to support this, only my intelligence and the sample I've observed. You wouldn't believe how many autistic people I've "scanned" in the plural and tulpa communities (I'm glad I could help them). I even get the sense from browsing tulpa.info that the percentage of autistic people is also high in the English forum, even though I'm not a native speaker. I'm a little curious; I thought the English internet would have a better understanding and acceptance of autism and ADHD, but it seems some awareness isn't as widespread?

 

On 7/6/2023 at 6:24 PM, Luminesce said:

That said, with say autism or mostly mental-based disorders/personality disorders, tulpas acting as a second perspective on things can still help someone out a lot, exercising your brain's ability to see things from a different (or someone else's) perspective. So tulpas can help quite a bit with various problems, though they won't be able to cure you of something that's not purely mental but actually neurological.

And yes! Many of my autistic friends with tulpas also have alexithymia. They have difficulty understanding their own feelings, making it hard to judge things like "how sad I am." In these cases, the tulpa often acts as a loving "mirror," able to tell them, "You're really tired; we should rest." This is a common pattern, but not universal.

By the way, to add to that, my ex's thought at the time we discussed this was:

If an autistic brain could "create" a neurotypical member, that brain should probably be put on display (it would be too miraculous).

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