G+3 November 16, 2012 November 16, 2012 Death is quite an interest of me, not to say that I'm sadistic - or any of that waffle - but more to say I like to ponder what could happen after death. Religion has been a great source of this, obviously, and I've though of a few myself (as you do). I've also though about what happen to tulpæ whence we die; notice I didn't say tulpa, explained --> My first thoughts about it I had are by-far my preferred way of imagining it, though not the one I think is true. So it goes: When the tulpamancer dies, schlee will spend a moment - after they spend moments with family, have their life flash before their eyes and actually die - with their tulpa(e) saying their good byes. This will only happen if your tulpa was fully sentient and not a puppet. They will spend as long as they like there doing, you know, whatev's a deceased person does with a part of their own mind that had broken off many years prior and become its own mind, that kind of last goodbye things; BUT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT. The tulpamancer will then follow through with X: that being afterlife/death. The tulpa(e) will have a minute or two to prepare and decide what they are going to do. They have three choices, they can either return to our plane of existence and continue their, now, boundless life. They can go to the wonderland and do whatever, obviously they will have their affluence within the wonderland and whatnot. And lastly, they can simply create their own world (I'll talk about this at the end) I prefer this way of thinking because it's't an all lose result, the tulpæ get to continue their lives, with choice. And of course if a tulpa wishes to kill themselves then they are free to do so (though this is hoping that it wouldn't come to that; and there are other tulpæ there to convince schler not to :( .) By the way, this is me here re-reading this and realises it reads like a high school book report. (My second theory actually spawned from a different idea I had when Pruria got really angry at me and just left. During the painfully long ten minutes I had to endure in thought that she really had run away, I thought that maybe she was just going to go out and find another tulpamancer and just kinda... slot her self in.) My idea now makes a little more seance, when a tulpa dies they will be no longer connected to their creator so they are free to find another. The tulpa has a few options when they do this, they can try and convince the tulpamancer to let them become their tulpæ, or they could find a puppet and take over their body. The other thing they could do is - and this is a bit cruel in my opinion - find a tulpa and hijack their body. This could also be done with baby-tulpæ, the tulpa could take over their mind, they could hijack the body or they could disguise deviation as taking over the body (so they can keep their own form). I'd say if it came down to it, tulpæ would do this, depending on their personality, and what most would do is disguise them selves as baby-tulæ and see if the tulpamancer will accept them, and if not, move on. The last one is the one I like to think about the least, but it's probably the most true. The tulpæ dies. Simple as. Though I do still believe in 'that special moment', but I think after that you'd both meet the same faith. I never thought as it being painful for the tulpa, not excruciatingly painful, more of a stinging pain, an uncomfortable pain, at that. So I'd like to hear what you guys think about that, have any of your own opinions/ ideas/ thoughts? Or even better: your tulpa's?. Even if ye have any ideas on life after death itself, share, please, I implore you! Human interest shit, rolling. I've got these thoughts after myself and Pruria had had a big argument, can't remember what about though, I'm so deep at those times * camera click*. I never told Pruria any of them, I don't think she's even reading them now (she's squished up against my desk, sleeping I think?); I didn't want to, I didn't want to stain her happy-go-lucky attitude, so I didn't. She over heard me thinking about some of it and she asked a few questions about it but I don't think she really understood. I'm just dreading the day when she finds out about it, or at least when I have to tell her about it. When I mentioned 'making the tulpa's own world it's more connected to my outlooks on death for us. It's not a nice as it sounds, you will be left on this white open plane, nothing, and you have to will things into excistance. You can do anything, if you can visualise it, or if you can suggest or make it make seance. It's coincidental that something like has crossed my mind because I hadn't even discovered tulpæ by then, let alone ever dreamt of making own. And in fact, I've even written about it (fanfiction readers - not just pony - can look out for it, all my spaghetti to anyone who find it.) And no it's just me wondering is this metaphysical enough to go on this board, it's defiantly tulpa related at that... Pruria Joal (Pegasus) Working on: Imposition Hieldy (Moogle) Working on: Possession/imposition Samantha (Griffon) Working on: Deafness/form And please, call me G.
JD1215 November 16, 2012 November 16, 2012 Well there's no evidence of anything you just suggested, so yeah I'd figure this is the right board. I've taught my tulpae that whatever happens when we die, we should prepare for the possible fact we will never see each other ever again after life. All evidence suggests tulpae rely entirely on our ability to perceive and interpret the universe in order to represent themselves within it, so I do not think a tulpa can exist unbound from a human in the same way they do when they are manifest in our minds. WTB: Rare Tulpas
EightyEight November 16, 2012 November 16, 2012 I've always believed that whatever is going to happen to us is going to happen to our Tulpae to some extent. Do you think it's possible that a Tulpa could outlive it's host/vice versa? It seems like the only real ways a Tulpa can die are the death of the host or being reabsorbed, although the nature of the latter isn't fully understood so I suppose we can't really even say that. I can't imagine a scenario where one goes and the other doesn't.
Darkerling November 16, 2012 November 16, 2012 Although one of the ideas I tend to stick with is more along the psychological side of things, I'll still give it here. If tulpa are "just are part of us" then when we die, it would make sense that wherever our soul goes, that the tulpa would "come along". Admittedly, that is if we go to heaven or hell (or something else) and are not reincarnated... "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." - Sherlock Holmes My Progress Report Tay's Birthday: 15, Mar, 2012 Toph's Birthday: 30, Oct, 2012
Guest Albatross_ November 16, 2012 November 16, 2012 Well there's no evidence of anything you just suggested, so yeah I'd figure this is the right board. Yep. It would depend on your personal views of the world, everything's subjective when it comes to death. delete this post again and see what happens
Guest Rochambo November 16, 2012 November 16, 2012 I choose to go with the inconvenient truth instead of the reassuring lie. Tulpae are products of our minds, as we are. A man is nothing but his memories, and personality, his mind. After death, said mind ceases to function.. all those neurons that were once so active come to a halt. Everything we were and would ever be will be gone forever.. including our tulpae. But hey, do you know what the beauty of it is? We can spend our last moments fruitfully, knowing to cherish them for they will be our last. Death does not have to be a bad thing. We say our goodbyes to our tulpae and just like us they will dissapear from this world, forever. The difference is how you choose to spend those last moments.. there's a difference between "We had a good run, my tulpa, I will never forget those great memories.. I love(d) you." , and "We'll see each other again in heaven, tulpa. Do not worry. I find the first to be much more beautiful. This is just my thinking though.
G+3 November 16, 2012 Author November 16, 2012 Although one of the ideas I tend to stick with is more along the psychological side of things, I'll still give it here. If tulpa are "just are part of us" then when we die, it would make sense that wherever our soul goes, that the tulpa would "come along". Admittedly, that is if we go to heaven or hell (or something else) and are not reincarnated... Huh, never though of it like that, that would be pretty awesome indeed... it would be like a whole new adventure! Everything we were and would ever be will be gone forever.. including our tulpae. But hey, do you know what the beauty of it is? We can spend our last moments fruitfully, knowing to cherish them for they will be our last. Death does not have to be a bad thing. We say our goodbyes to our tulpae and just like us they will dissapear from this world, forever. The difference is how you choose to spend those last moments.. there's a difference between "We had a good run, my tulpa, I will never forget those great memories.. I love(d) you." I find the first to be much more beautiful. This is just my thinking though. Damn, that gave me a few shivers; well played sir, that was beautiful... Pruria Joal (Pegasus) Working on: Imposition Hieldy (Moogle) Working on: Possession/imposition Samantha (Griffon) Working on: Deafness/form And please, call me G.
glitchthe3rd November 16, 2012 November 16, 2012 "I think we accompany the host into the afterlife when we die. However, I think it's possible that we could go our separate ways if we so chose, since with the vessel of the human body being destroyed, the pieces of the host's consciousness are free to scatter. Just my two cents on the subject." -Saria "Science isn't about why, science is about why not?" -Cave Johnson Tulpae: Luna, Elise, Naomi My progress report
TheKäteinen November 17, 2012 November 17, 2012 As far as I know, tulpae are products of our mind and exist solely in there. And the mind stops functioning when the body dies. so it's pretty obvious that the tulpa dies too. If, when I say I might fade like a sigh if I stay, You minimize my movement anyway. I must persuade you another way.
G+3 November 17, 2012 Author November 17, 2012 As far as I know, tulpae are products of our mind and exist solely in there. And the mind stops functioning when the body dies. so it's pretty obvious that the tulpa dies too. Yeah, that's definitely the more sensical way to look at it, but I can't help but get that feeling that I'm just dismissing something else when I think in that fashion. Would you ever think that it would be so much better if it weren't like that? I don't know... Your picture is godamn scary, btw. Just my two cents on the subject. Damn, havn't heard that saying ina long time; that's kinda the vibe I'm looking for off the whole thing btw. Pruria Joal (Pegasus) Working on: Imposition Hieldy (Moogle) Working on: Possession/imposition Samantha (Griffon) Working on: Deafness/form And please, call me G.
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