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When does a servitor stop being a servitor and start being a tulpa?

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I'd like to know of this too, there were 2 people on IRC which were worried their tulpa might actually be a servitor and they would just be too good at parroting.

There are some parroting tests which one could do to test this sufficiently.

 

What do you think glitchthe3rd? When/how did Luna become a tulpa?

 

I think if one is skilled at parroting, conscious or subconscious, it becomes trickier to identify your tulpa's behavior and you might ascribe actions to them which were caused by you, as well as not being able to tell when or if the tulpa is sentient or vocal.

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I'd like to know of this too, there were 2 people on IRC which were worried their tulpa might actually be a servitor and they would just be too good at parroting.

There are some parroting tests which one could do to test this sufficiently.

 

What do you think glitchthe3rd? When/how did Luna become a tulpa?

 

I think if one is skilled at parroting, conscious or subconscious, it becomes trickier to identify your tulpa's behavior and you might ascribe actions to them which were caused by you, as well as not being able to tell when or if the tulpa is sentient or vocal.

 

I'd argue it wasn't until a couple of months ago, when she started doing things for herself.


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I'd argue it wasn't until a couple of months ago, when she started doing things for herself.

 

What did you do differently? Narrate to her?

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I don't think your tulpa will ever be considered a servitor at any point during the creation process, but it is possible to end up with a servitor as an end result. The main issue is that servitors derive from European Wicca, and considers a servitor to be either a form of a demon, or more commonly an astral being from one of the lower levels of the astral realm.

 

As you probably already know tulpas derive from Tibetan Buddhism and are considered a product of the creator's mind, and not supernatural. There are some people who believe tulpas are autonomic beings separate from the creator in the same vein of an egregor, but that's not true to tulpaes' origins.

 

The level of overlap in tulpas and servitors is really almost non-existent. If you think your tulpa is a servitor, it may just need more attention during the creation process, and possibly refining it's personality.

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I don't think your tulpa will ever be considered a servitor at any point during the creation process, but it is possible to end up with a servitor as an end result. The main issue is that servitors derive from European Wicca, and considers a servitor to be either a form of a demon, or more commonly an astral being from one of the lower levels of the astral realm.

 

As you probably already know tulpas derive from Tibetan Buddhism and are considered a product of the creator's mind, and not supernatural. There are some people who believe tulpas are autonomic beings separate from the creator in the same vein of an egregor, but that's not true to tulpaes' origins.

 

The level of overlap in tulpas and servitors is really almost non-existent. If you think your tulpa is a servitor, it may just need more attention during the creation process, and possibly refining it's personality.

 

The term servitor means puppeted or non-selfaware imaginary companion around these parts, you can forget whatever "metaphysical" explanation you have for it. A tulpa is non-puppeted and self aware imaginary companion. That's the difference. The occult meaning of a tulpa has connotations about it being able to change the physical world and other things which nobody here believes in.

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I don't think your tulpa will ever be considered a servitor at any point during the creation process, but it is possible to end up with a servitor as an end result. The main issue is that servitors derive from European Wicca, and considers a servitor to be either a form of a demon, or more commonly an astral being from one of the lower levels of the astral realm.

 

As you probably already know tulpas derive from Tibetan Buddhism and are considered a product of the creator's mind, and not supernatural. There are some people who believe tulpas are autonomic beings separate from the creator in the same vein of an egregor, but that's not true to tulpaes' origins.

 

The level of overlap in tulpas and servitors is really almost non-existent. If you think your tulpa is a servitor, it may just need more attention during the creation process, and possibly refining it's personality.

 

Uhh, we stole the word servitor and gave it our meaning the same way that buddhist tulpas are different from ours.


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I'd also like to know what sort of tests or other methods you could use to detect or prevent parroting. I've been working on my tulpa and seem to suffer from the common anxiety of "What if this is actually parroting?", especially since I've already caught myself parroting almost unconsciously before.

 

On topic with the original question of the thread; I think if you were converting a servitor into a tulpa the point when it was officially a tulpa would likely be when it was first able to act on its own with no input from you. From my understanding, once it has any kind of will of its own it's no longer a servitor.

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The term servitor means puppeted or non-selfaware imaginary companion around these parts, you can forget whatever "metaphysical" explanation you have for it.

That's not my opinion, but what a servitor is by definition. Although it seems everyone here took the word and changed the definition, it doesn't change it's original meaning. I don't believe in any of the metaphysical explanation of both tulpas and servitors, but you still have to use the word properly.

 

Perhaps if this forum created it's own word for what you're thinking of, it'd be more accurate. But for anyone who studied tulpas before coming here, they will be very confused with all the incorrect definitions being tossed around.

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