Discerning Conscious And Subconscious Thoughts

[NeonKnights]

Pretty much got steamrollered on the IRC channels on this one. Seems nobody on at the time I asked had the answer.

 

It's a fairly straightforward question: What am I looking for when I go into my meditative subconscious-spelunking state of mind? I'm open to the idea of just letting my mind drift and waiting patiently as thoughts come, but that's easier said than done when I don't know what a subconscious thought "feels" like.

I keep getting very visual things, but they're just rediscovered memories from years ago, not alien in any way, and are not necessarily thoughts, so far as I understand.

 

Could somebody please give me an example of what might constitute a raw thought from the subconscious versus a stray conscious thought? Is there some tell-tale way to tell the difference between a conscious vs. a subconscious thought?

[Sands]

Is there even a subconscious? Nothing is proven, there are theories for and against. Subconscious itself means so many things the word has lost its meaning, maybe you are talking about the unconscious mind which also is confusing and could exist or not. Who knows. No one knows anything about this for a fact other than no one knows any true, cold hard facts. They can only tell you their opinions or experiences, which might or might not be helpful or even make sense, but if they try to paint their theories as what actually is real, you should probably take what they say with a grain of salt. Woah.

[NeonKnights]

'Woah' is right. Deep stuff, Sands.

I see your point, perhaps I should rephrase my question a bit to make more sense:

 

Is there a way to discern "invasive" thoughts, i.e., the average everyday thoughts that try to wreck concentration and disrupt the process of finding tulpa's thoughts, from the "deep" thought streams which are said to contain a tulpa's thoughts and attempts at communication?

Or maybe, just maybe, these thought streams are one and the same, and the "conscious" ones are just the subconscious thoughts which we choose to acknowledge... Uh oh, now my head's spinning.

[Chupi]

Suggest you find and talk to roflmao on the IRC.

 

Or meditate and try to observe how a thought forms, where it seems to come from, etc. You'll be dealing with raw ideas, not thought thunk in words.

[Kadoh]

That clarification was needed. Listening to subconscious thoughts is a bit of an oxymoron, don't you think?

 

Anyway, the answer is you need to do a fair bit of introspection. Learn about yourself. Why do you feel this way? Why do you think this? Why are you... etc. Get so finely tuned to your own thoughts that you don't have any unnoticed thoughts, not a single one goes unacknowledged. That's when you'll be able to find those Waldo thoughts that come from your tulpa.

[Chupi]

Well, when you become aware of them, they're no longer subconscious. Until you do, when they're silent and unnoticed, they are -- they're below the level you're conscious of, hence "subconscious".

[Kadoh]

That was sort of the point. How can something below being consciously perceived be noticed consciously? I used to think there were levels of conscious thought. Like, they loud, worded ones you think to yourself, down to ones like how you walk into a room and see a chair, but don't think in words "look at that chair."

 

I know this isn't how thoughts really work, but it was an effective theory I used. I'm veering off topic, though.

[NeonKnights]

Thanks for the input, guys. I'll give that introspection a go, sounds like a big step that I'd missed.

 

And next time I'm on IRC, I'll try hunting down roflmao. Rare prey, I've heard, but I've seen him lurking in the tall grass once or twice before.