Tulpa Creation as Transhumanism

[shalkek]

What is Transhumanism?

For those of you who don't know. Transhumanism is a movement that advocates the use of science to improve the human condition past perceived human limitations.

 

"Transhumanism is an international intellectual and cultural movement that affirms the possibility and desirability of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to eliminate aging and to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities." - Wikipedia

 

How does that have anything to do with tulpae?

Obviously, tulpaforcing doesn't affect the physical in any way, nor can it eliminate aging and disease. But, as for, enhancing human intellectual and physiological capacities. I've seen a few people on here who claim their tupper can help them recall stuff. I think glitcher said he can impose a HUD over his vision to keep track of stuff or something. Posession, switching, and probably some other stuff that I can't recall. That's all awesome stuff that seems really transhumanistic.

Now, there's not much technology involved in tulpaforcing, but scientific methods are used.

 

So, could tulpa creation be considered transhumanist in nature?

 

PS. I've been lurking around here for a while, so I know a bit about the whole tulpa phenomenon.

[Sands]

As far as I can say based on my experiences, we're still very much human. A tupper can help a lot, but they're not perfect either. They're very "human" too, capable of mistakes and forgetting shit. Two humans together might make for a great team, but does it make them transhuman?

[shalkek]

As far as I can say based on my experiences, we're still very much human. A tupper can help a lot, but they're not perfect either. They're very "human" too, capable of mistakes and forgetting shit. Two humans together might make for a great team, but does it make them transhuman?

 

I'm not actually saying that people who create tuppers or the tuppers themeselves are in fact "transhumans". I'm trying to say it raises a lot of questions. For exemple, "What does it actually mean to be human?"

Wikipedia defines humans as "Humans (Homo sapiens) are primates of the family Hominidae, and the only extant species of the genus Homo."

By that definition, tuppers aren't human at all. And there are a lot of other interesting questions that no one on here seem to talk about.

 

Side note: I just like talking about this stuff.

[Lacquer]

>Transhumanism is an international intellectual and cultural movement that affirms the possibility and desirability of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to eliminate aging and to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities.

>condition by developing and making widely available technologies to eliminate aging and to greatly enhance

>widely available technologies to eliminate

>technologies

 

No.

[Sands]

For exemple, "What does it actually mean to be human?"

Wikipedia defines humans as "Humans (Homo sapiens) are primates of the family Hominidae, and the only extant species of the genus Homo."

By that definition, tuppers aren't human at all.

 

Difficult to answer to that first one, but I could see it as there being two definitions for human. One being the species we are (and technically, a tupper is also a part of that body and that species we are, yeah? I can imagine myself being a dinosaur but it doesn't change the fact that the body is a human) and the other being the, well, mind I suppose. The way we act, our morals and such. How a person could be a human and still seem inhuman to someone because they act in a way we don't think is "human".

[Kiahdaj]

 

Difficult to answer to that first one, but I could see it as there being two definitions for human. One being the species we are (and technically, a tupper is also a part of that body and that species we are, yeah? I can imagine myself being a dinosaur but it doesn't change the fact that the body is a human) and the other being the, well, mind I suppose. The way we act, our morals and such. How a person could be a human and still seem inhuman to someone because they act in a way we don't think is "human".

 

God dammit, Sands. You need to stop taking your thoughts directly from my head.

 

Yes, I agree with sands. I feel that, in a way, all tuppers are human, because they, like us, are a consciousness within a human body. I feel the body is just as much their's as your own, aside from the fact that you were "here first".

However, you could say that a tulpa is also what their form is, as that is who they are in their mind. In a similar way that some people have different wonderland forms. Chupi, for example.

So it's just kind of who you are, in each reality.

If your tulpa possesses you, and carries out their life in your body, much like you would yourself; as far as everyone in the world is concerned, they are a human being.

[Guest Anonymous]

Sands must be a jew, since he always has pennies to derail conversations!

 

Back to OP's topic, I would consider tulpas as trans-humanist in nature. They can be used to advance psychological and intelligence related aspect of the average human in ways most people can't. As for the physical aspect of it, I would say that there is some merit to that, since tulpas aren't necessarily limited in the same way we are when it comes to exerting ourselves. While I cannot confirm this, they may not feel exhaustion in the same way we do. Also, they might be able to possess while we are asleep, and can use the time we are asleep to exercise our bodies or do other tasks we failed to do while awake, which might count as transhumanistic in the sense that we are making far better use of our time.

[Kiahdaj]

Sands must be a jew, since he always has pennies to derail conversations!

 

Back to OP's topic, I would consider tulpas as trans-humanist in nature. They can be used to advance psychological and intelligence related aspect of the average human in ways most people can't. As for the physical aspect of it, I would say that there is some merit to that, since tulpas aren't necessarily limited in the same way we are when it comes to exerting ourselves. While I cannot confirm this, they may not feel exhaustion in the same way we do. Also, they might be able to possess while we are asleep, and can use the time we are asleep to exercise our bodies or do other tasks we failed to do while awake, which might count as transhumanistic in the sense that we are making far better use of our time.

 

Oh hell, where do I begin with this?

 

Number one. Sands in no way derailed the thread. Like. What the hell.

 

Number two. If they are possessing your body, then yes, of course they feel exhaustion. Why wouldn't they? It's the body that is exhausted, not your consciousness.

Number three.

Possess us while we sleep? That has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If your tulpa is controlling your body, and doing things, then the body is not asleep. Sure, maybe you could be dreaming while they do those things, but the body is not getting rest. You don't die from sleep deprivation because you didn't dream long enough. You die because your body didn't get enough rest.

Number four. You talk as though tulpae are some kind of super-special consciousness within ourselves. No. Basically, the way I see it; the only reason that tulpae can "do" things that people cannot seem to is because they are "detached" from the body. You were born into it. Belonging to this body is all you've ever known. Tulpae, on the other hand, were born not so much attached to the body. Why would they need to be? There is already a consciousness in control of it. They are not tied to the body, and therefor are not conditioned into the same "restrictions" that you are.

But in reality, anything that a tulpa can do, a human can do as well.

[Lacquer]

But in reality, anything that a tulpa can do, a human can do as well.

 

...with training of various degrees of difficulty.

[Kiahdaj]

 

...with training of various degrees of difficulty.

 

Naturally.