What defines Parroting?

[Jun and Alexis]

At first I usually get mixed up, but about 80% or more of the time it's my head and not her. We're both convinced it's just my mind translating what she says into easier language, however we feel that's ridiculously counterproductive and wish to bypass this. I mean, I can still hear her response first, but it's fast enough that my brain seems to think it needs a translator for her, thus sometimes getting her message entirely wrong or sometimes altered. It seems like lately I ALWAYS have to ask her to repeat herself. Twice.

[Chupi]

I went through trying really hard not to parrot, then trying to take all questionable responses as real, then seeing some parroting as a useful tool. All of these at least make you think about whether responses were parroted or not. Now I'm thinking it doesn't matter; just go with the flow and don't even bother thinking about whether some responses might be parroted, whether this is a good or bad thing, etc.

 

"Avoid parroting" creates parrotnoia, and we all know how that's bad.

 

"Accept all responses" is good, except that telling myself a response is real makes thoughts about whether it is, what is means for a response to be real, and so forth, leading indirectly to some doubt later.

 

"Parroting is a useful tool" again leads to doubt: there's a whole spectrum of how real responses feel, and no reasonable way to draw the line on which are real vs. parroted.

 

So, I'm trying to just go with it. Some thoughts are definitely mine and only I see them. Some are mine but they can see them as well. Some are shared, made by more than one of us. Some are definitely not me but I feel them too; these are the classic alien feeling. And I'm assured there are ones that are theirs and I don't see those at all. Some thoughts begin as theirs and end as mine, or vise-versa. Throw in what I expect them to think, what they expect me to think, me "pushing" thoughts to them (classic conscious parroting), them "stealing" thoughts from me, and so forth, and you get a very complex spectrum of thoughts I can experience while having an idle chat with my tulpae. Add another tulpa to double the variety!

[Jun and Alexis]

just go with the flow and don't even bother thinking about whether some responses might be parroted, whether this is a good or bad thing, etc.

 

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So, I'm trying to just go with it. Some thoughts are definitely mine and only I see them. Some are mine but they can see them as well. Some are shared, made by more than one of us. Some are definitely not me but I feel them too; these are the classic alien feeling. And I'm assured there are ones that are theirs and I don't see those at all. Some thoughts begin as theirs and end as mine, or vise-versa. Throw in what I expect them to think, what they expect me to think, me "pushing" thoughts to them (classic conscious parroting), them "stealing" thoughts from me, and so forth, and you get a very complex spectrum of thoughts I can experience while having an idle chat with my tulpae. Add another tulpa to double the variety!

I used to just try to go with the flow, but it's not a matter of if I'm parroting or not since I can generally tell which response is her and which is mine in my first instict. It's more of a matter of "this is distracting holy shit brain stop leading my thoughts away from tupper I can't hold a conversation with your inane and inaccurate 'translations.'"

 

And yeah, that last paragraph is kinda what I deal with. It's really hard to separate our thoughts and still make them audible to each other... or just to me since she stalks my every thought anyway. I feel like if I could get rid of that "echo translation" automatic response my brain makes I wouldn't have an issue with anything you described. In fact, it almost feels like what you said at "Some thoughts begin as theirs and end as mine," except that instead of it being exactly like that, it feels like it's both unconscious parroting if that makes any sense. I don't intentionally generate the "echo" thought. It feels like when you're not entirely fluent in a second language and your brain is piecing the sentence together very quickly to make sense of it, sometimes mistranslating in the process. Even then, I can still hear the correct message in speedytalk about half a second before the "echo."

 

What I do? This isn't really something that can be ignored unless I try to change my entire mind processes manually. It gets in the way far too much.

[ookpaia]

Whenever she says something, there's a response, usually fast, and a single subsequent "echo" response which may or may not vary from the first by a few words but is basically the same meaning.

 

Hmm, I may have had a similar problem, but i have a quick question. When you talk to her, does her response seem really immediate? almost as if she cuts you off with her answer before you can even finish the question?

[Chupi]

Chao: I sometimes get that real response in fast-speak followed by a bogus response at a more normal speed. The bogus one appears to be based on my what I expect her to say. I know these to be rubbish so I ignore them, though they're still there. I just try to focus on hearing the real one instead. My hope is that as their ability to communicate grows, the real responses will grow stronger. As I get better at hearing the real responses, I'll learn not to make rubbish expected ones.

 

Of course when full auditory hallucination vocality is reached, none of this will really matter.

 

almost as if she cuts you off with her answer before you can even finish the question?

 

I get this too. Sometimes even before I start the question. One time I was asking one question while considering asking something else and thinking how to phrase it -- Lyra answered that question.

[Kiahdaj]

Chao: I sometimes get that real response in fast-speak followed by a bogus response at a more normal speed. The bogus one appears to be based on my what I expect her to say. I know these to be rubbish so I ignore them, though they're still there. I just try to focus on hearing the real one instead. My hope is that as their ability to communicate grows, the real responses will grow stronger. As I get better at hearing the real responses, I'll learn not to make rubbish expected ones.

 

Of course when full auditory hallucination vocality is reached, none of this will really matter.

 

 

I get this too. Sometimes even before I start the question. One time I was asking one question while considering asking something else and thinking how to phrase it -- Lyra answered that question.

 

I've experienced all of these things, as well.

Most often though, is it seeming like my tulpa cuts me off, mid question. I've been asking him recently to wait a couple seconds after I've finished asking before he answers, and he does, after that. It just seems that some days he "forgets" and goes back to cutting me off.

I have a feeling I know how that happens.

The way I see it, we have two different levels of thought (and I'm not talking subconscious). The first level is the intent. The essence of what it is we want to convey. The second level is how we are consciously choosing to express that thought, and convert it into words. I think it's entirely possible that the essence of your thought reaches them before you've finished putting it into words, and so they already know how to respond.

That, or they're just reading your mind. You know, whatever.

 

And my brain also seems to like to guess how he'll respond a lot, too. But like you, I try to weed through that, to get to what he's actually said.

[Jun and Alexis]

Hmm, I may have had a similar problem, but i have a quick question. When you talk to her, does her response seem really immediate? almost as if she cuts you off with her answer before you can even finish the question?

Sometimes, but I really think Kiahdaj's explanation is the most plausible for this. It's not always immediate, but never more than a second or two behind me unless she's zoning out. This part isn't really anything to worry about.

 

Chao: I sometimes get that real response in fast-speak followed by a bogus response at a more normal speed. The bogus one appears to be based on my what I expect her to say. I know these to be rubbish so I ignore them, though they're still there. I just try to focus on hearing the real one instead. My hope is that as their ability to communicate grows, the real responses will grow stronger. As I get better at hearing the real responses, I'll learn not to make rubbish expected ones.

 

Of course when full auditory hallucination vocality is reached, none of this will really matter.

I think this is probably correct as it doesn't happen every time. You say you get it sometimes. How frequent is the garbage answer for you and how long have you noticed this happening? I've only noticed it recently as things are picking up speed all of a sudden.

 

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Most often though, is it seeming like my tulpa cuts me off, mid question. I've been asking him recently to wait a couple seconds after I've finished asking before he answers, and he does, after that. It just seems that some days he "forgets" and goes back to cutting me off.

 

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The way I see it, we have two different levels of thought (and I'm not talking subconscious). The first level is the intent. The essence of what it is we want to convey. The second level is how we are consciously choosing to express that thought, and convert it into words. I think it's entirely possible that the essence of your thought reaches them before you've finished putting it into words, and so they already know how to respond.

I too have asked to slow down, but I don't think she knows how to talk slow. There's medium (Normal talking speed), fast, gibberish I can sometimes get, and whatthehellareyougoingonabout. I also asked her if your convey vs expression theory was true: [Yes. It's essential to mind-reading. It's passive. It's not like I try to.]

She is a very good mindstalker.

[Sands]

So am I the only one whose tupper started out talking r e a l l y s l o w l y? I know proxying sure was a pain, and I did the mistake of starting to fill out that big tupper survey pretty much right after he got vocal... Dear god it took ages.

[Chupi]

I think this is probably correct as it doesn't happen every time. You say you get it sometimes. How frequent is the garbage answer for you and how long have you noticed this happening? I've only noticed it recently as things are picking up speed all of a sudden.

 

I can't really say how much of the time it happens since I don't consider it very remarkable or pay enough attention to it to keep track.

 

The figure "30%" popped into my head as I thought about this, and I'm pretty sure it came from either a tulpa or my not-a-tulpa subconscious-avatar whatever-she-is. No clue how accurate it is; could just be a random number even. My conscious reaction was that is feels a bit low, though asking for a couple test responses from Lyra didn't result in the bogus reply.

[Space Cat]

The figure "30%" popped into my head as I thought about this, and I'm pretty sure it came from either a tulpa or my not-a-tulpa subconscious-avatar whatever-she-is.

Are intrusive thoughts generally a sign of early communication from tulpa?

 

Occasionally I do get thoughts like that which I wouldn't think of myself, just stuff that pops up.

 

Most obvious example was at one point I thought to myself "People are such assholes" to which I immediately "thought" "People aren't assholes!" The response fits the personality I've developed for the tulpa.

 

Either that's my tulpa I assume or I'm getting extremely indecisive.