Determining age of tulpas?

[Guest Anonymous]

Take a note from my book.

Age is just a number baby...

 

Don't get me wrong, I want Snow and Celicia to mature, but I had them basically, in mentality, my age. However, as time goes by, their ages will grow with me, they'll have different mentalities, etc, etc.

 

And my previous phrase applies even stronger when it comes to how many days, months, or even years it takes to have a tulpa. Because in all honesty, time is to the individual, and after certain points, they tend not to matter for the most part.

[Guest Anonymous]

It hurts many and doesn't hurt others. I can't think of any way it would help someone and haven't heard from anyone who would have been worse off had they not counted hours. So my recommendation stands.

 

Well Chupi, here's one.

When I was keeping track of hours I'd set goals for how many I'd get in a week. It started out with getting more than 500 collective minutes. The week I tried this challenge I managed a total of 720 minutes which was well over the 400 I was averaging. I then set the goal for 1000 collective minutes a week. I stayed true to this for about month and she became vocal during this time.

 

Admittedly it was the goals and not the hourcounts that kept me consistent, however, you have to keep in mind if I hadn't recorded hourcounts I would not have set goals. I'd love to delve into how FAQ_Man's hourcount expectations screwed us all over with a placebo, but I'm afraid I'm already veering offtopic.

[Lacquer]

 

Well Chupi, here's one.

When I was keeping track of hours I'd set goals for how many I'd get in a week. It started out with getting more than 500 collective minutes. The week I tried this challenge I managed a total of 720 minutes which was well over the 400 I was averaging. I then set the goal for 1000 collective minutes a week. I stayed true to this for about month and she became vocal during this time.

 

Admittedly it was the goals and not the hourcounts that kept me consistent, however, you have to keep in mind if I hadn't recorded hourcounts I would not have set goals. I'd love to delve into how FAQ_Man's hourcount expectations screwed us all over with a placebo, but I'm afraid I'm already veering offtopic.

 

>weekly minute goals

 

Holy shit that's genius. I forsee increases in my productivity. Thank you so much for this.

[Guest Anonymous]

We counted from when they were created.

[TulpaCouple]

We count from the day we started as well.

 

As for the hour count thing--I completely understand the move away from hour counts. It's not so much the counting itself as the expectation connected to it--the guide itself mentioning "x happening before y amount of hours is probably parroting", or for people who have forced for 100 hours or more and not seen progress that they have faith in yet losing hope..Hell, I remember telling Nate that Luke couldn't have been vocal in merely 18 hours of forcing, that was impossible! If he had listened to me, who knows, he might have really delayed Luke's development by a long time, perhaps permanently--since those vocality signs were parroting, who's to say the next ones he hears aren't parroting? Of course, we were using an even more outdated version of the guide that was much more strict on how long each section of forcing would take.

 

I can see how people can use them without worry but I can also really see why avoiding them would be a good idea--especially for the unsure.

[Sands]

 

Well Chupi, here's one.

When I was keeping track of hours I'd set goals for how many I'd get in a week. It started out with getting more than 500 collective minutes. The week I tried this challenge I managed a total of 720 minutes which was well over the 400 I was averaging. I then set the goal for 1000 collective minutes a week. I stayed true to this for about month and she became vocal during this time.

 

This more or less, it makes you consistent. It's different to say "oh I'll force today" than to say "I'll force for at least x amount of whatever today". Hell, the first option, you might only force for a few minutes, call it a day and then sit in front of your computer for the rest of the day doing nothing important. Counting hours however, you'll feel bad if you notice you just wasted your day doing nothing without a good reason, when you didn't get anywhere as much forcing done today as you did yesterday. I see it as a helpful tool that puts you in the right mindset: you need to be able to put time aside just for your tulpa. You have to be able to do that, counting time you spend with them and setting goals every day I see as helping you learn that, if you're unable to do so yet.

[Chupi]

Well Chupi, here's one.

When I was keeping track of hours I'd set goals for how many I'd get in a week. It started out with getting more than 500 collective minutes. The week I tried this challenge I managed a total of 720 minutes which was well over the 400 I was averaging. I then set the goal for 1000 collective minutes a week. I stayed true to this for about month and she became vocal during this time.

 

Okay, you got me. That's an excellent idea. Signature updated.

[Space Cat]

 

>weekly minute goals

 

Holy shit that's genius. I forsee increases in my productivity. Thank you so much for this.

 

That is genius. You could try to beat your past records, and have a high score table!

 

Fear or parroting, Fear of hour counts, Worry generally makes them fade.

Negativity.

These things are all fine until one starts to feel negative about it in one way or another.

 

Yep, negativity is a hindrance. It's a hindrance for anything, though. Of course, it's easy to say "be positive" and a whole 'nutha thing to actually do it. There's factors such as depression, self-esteem stuff, and other--mental?--psychological?--elements that can cause self-doubt and parratnoia and whatnot even if a person is conscientiously focused on maintaining optimism.

 

Dunno where I was going with this tangent, but suppose I do agree that in theory being completely positive and trusting in progressing can and will aid the forcing process. Like how confidence aids with almost anything, really.

[Nobillis]

While creeping the forums before joining, I was seeing various mentions of tulpas' ages in terms of progress. For example, "my tulpa's 3 months old and fully vocal" or "the tulpa's about two weeks old and we've had confirmation that they're sentient" and comments like that. Arguably the best example is the slowpokes progress thread.

I really only count years elapsed, except for Nobillis.

 

Right, I take my age from my first memory (1970). Though I can't be sure of much before 1979 as far as sentience. Other then that I have no Idea how to calculate my age. Hour counts are meaningless to a Tibetan-method tulpa - it isn't how we are formed. (Nor is it how we are destroyed, a thing of frequent occurrence.)

 

As for the three Watchdogs, I take their ages from the year they were started. So they are all 25+ years.

 

Nobillis I record elapsed days from the day she first smiled (third day of forcing, 36 hours of forcing time).

[Heaventhief]

We decided her birthday is to be celebrated on July 7. This is when she became sentient (she told me this later when she became vocal).