Irontorch May 10, 2013 May 10, 2013 This thread has been revised please go here for newist version: http://community.tulpa.info/thread-the-theory-of-lucid-dream-tulpa-forcing So I was lying in bed the other day trying to convince my brain that sleep was something I needed to do at that time, when all of the sudden I had a crazy idea pop into my head. This idea has now turned into a sort of theory after I did further research of lucid dreams, tulpae and the subconscious. This theory, which I have dubbed LDTF ( Licid Dream Tulpa Forcing) includes creating a tulpa while in a lucid dream. Now for those of you who don't know what a lucid dream is I will give a brief explanation. A lucid dream is where your body falls asleep while part of your conscience stays awake and aware. This allows for controlling of the dream and access into the subconscious. Ok, now back to the topic at hand. In theory you could slip into a lucid dream state and use the waking methods of tulpa creation directly in the subconscious to create a tulpa. This would most likely allow for much faster tupa creation, as well as a overall better tulpa. I am now going to explain the entire theoretical process of LDTF. Step 1: Achieve a lucid dream. Since I do not see myself qualified to explain the process of slipping into a lucid dream I will link you to a guide here: http://m.wikihow.com/Have-a-Wake-Induced-Lucid-Dream-(WILD) Step 2: What to do inside your dream. The goal in this step is to create a tulpa in your dream. So you basically need to do what you do in waking life. DO NOT ATTEMPT PERSONALITY! I have very few hopes of personality working in a lucid dream. You may want to do personality before going into a lucid dream. Ok so first you need to figure out how to "will" things into existence in your dream. This may take some practice, but you will figure it out. When you can will things into your dream begin the creation process. Will the form of your tulpa into existence. It should be very easy to create it since you are directly working with your subconscious. You should divide each step into multiple days. For example; Day 1: Form, Day 2: Touch, Day 3: Smell, and so on. After these steps a big list of unknowns comes in. It is impossible to tell weather or not your tulpa will even become sentient or not. This is why I need the community's help. I'm depending on you to take it from here and build on my theory! Have fun! -Irontorch Also, structural criticism is greatly appreciated!
Lacquer May 10, 2013 May 10, 2013 Generally, tulpaforcing is written as one word. If you exclusively create the tulpa in the lucid dream, wouldn't that make it harder to have the tulpa outside of that stare of consciousness? Not that it'd be impossible. How would this work for "disembodied consciousness" tulpa? Why do you specifically recommend WILD over other LD methods? Why do you advise against personality forcing? (my views on the matter here and here) Also, please replace your mobile wikihow link with this one: http://www.wikihow.com/Have-a-Wake-Induced-Lucid-Dream-(WILD)
Aarix May 10, 2013 May 10, 2013 Yes you can do that, well I know a friend of mine met their actual tulpa in their dream as oppose to a dream version of their tulpa. I think its easier as your subconscious would do all the grunt work but I'm not sure of any tulpamancers who can actually get into a lot of lucid dreams, ive been attempting for months and got lucky twice. and tulpaforcing or tulpa forcing, it doesnt really matter! Progress report "You'll have a Tulpa because you didn't give up" -Koomer
tania May 10, 2013 May 10, 2013 After these steps a big list of unknowns comes in. It is impossible to tell weather or not your tulpa will even become sentient or not The thing is it would appear sentient in the dream if one expected it to be (whatever a person expects appears in LD) but that wouldnt at all mean you have a sentient Tulpa when you awake. Also with doing it while within a dream.. it would make it to be less likely to appear how you really consciously want it to as the subconsciousness would be having a part more then when you make one in real life. Im curious too how you said not to do personality in a dream? .......... One thou could work on a Tulpa in a dream (but dont expect it to be doing or appearing as you experience it in the dream when you wake up). I'd think it would be easier to meet ones Tulpa in LD then use LDs to make ones Tulpa, as one still needs to get the things happening in real life. With working within a dream.. you are doing it while within your subconsciousness one could say and may not be encouraging things between your normal waking self and your Tulpa Jesse (human male) DOB 16th April 2013 Working on imposition
shalkek May 11, 2013 May 11, 2013 I guess this would work ... But WILDs are no thing for beginners. Also, if you don't already have experience with lucid dreams, it would probably take more time for you to learn how to do it than it would to just make s tulpa the normal way. Then again, you would be learning a really nice skill as well as creating a tulpa. PS, Here's a really great guide. http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-class/130468-beginners-intro-lucid-dreaming-lessons-i-iv.html Also, LaBerge's Book about lucid dreams: http://users.telenet.be/sterf/texts/other/exploring_the_world_of_lucid_dreaming.pdf
tania May 12, 2013 May 12, 2013 Some beginners (esp those who have trouble recalling their dreams) may find WILD easier then other methods. I personally find getting into a LD by WILD easier as it means I dont have to wake up during the dream (something Im having a lot of trouble currently doing ) as during WILD one can enter it already awake. Those who may be new at LD but are experienced meditators too may find WILD easier to do. "it would probably take more time for you to learn how to do it than it would to just make a tulpa the normal way." Yeah I think that too.. I think many think they can learn to LD and then just be an instant expert at it :) (I come across a lot of people like that at LD sites). Jesse (human male) DOB 16th April 2013 Working on imposition
shalkek May 13, 2013 May 13, 2013 Yeah I think that too.. I think many think they can learn to LD and then just be an instant expert at it :) (I come across a lot of people like that at LD sites). That attitude may be helpful though, considering the fact that, at least in my opinion, confidence is probabl the most important part of learning to lucid dream. Also, I think DEILD is probably the easiest method.
Irontorch May 14, 2013 Author May 14, 2013 Do to a mix up in my wording, I am posting this to clarify the statement on personality. I do not advise against doing personality in real life, I advise against it in the dream. I am afraid that you would just be wasting your time doing personality when in your dream. Just based on how lucid dreams work I would advise you to do personality before hand, not in the dream. My second reason is that it may make the dream unstable. Emphasis on the may. And my third reason, just to eliminate an extra, unneeded variable in the process of experimentation. And a big thanks to Lacqure and Tania for the advice/criticism! And for everyone who is taking intrest I'm this idea.
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