motorheadlk November 6, 2012 Share November 6, 2012 No, im talking about a failsafe switch, a human or a tattoo that asks you questions/tells you about yourself every day. the thing i am afraid of is that this could be effectively murder, accidentaly or on purpose, because man is shaped by his past, and if you remove your past you remove yourself. you effectively become another person, and that is not something to joke around with, everyone doing this should create a super-über failsafe switch, a tattoo, a voicemessage that is played every morning in speakers embedded in your ears, ect... this is not a fucking game, this is serious. More like a diary. I'm brazilian and my english is not really good, I'll do every mistake you imagine, but I'll try to avoid them. Tulpa: Kuruminha Age: Began on the middle of october. Form: My avatar. Sentience: Confirmed. Mindvoice: Not yet. Working on: Visualization and Mindspeaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intelhunter November 6, 2012 Share November 6, 2012 Well, i was thinking that one could install backups on other people that knows you, but this requires a great deal of trust, something that can be very expencive these days. Ayo grill how you be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupi November 8, 2012 Share November 8, 2012 the thing i am afraid of is that this could be effectively murder, accidentaly or on purpose, because man is shaped by his past, and if you remove your past you remove yourself. Unless you're erasing large amounts of stuff I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen unless you're already really unstable. We're talking about erasing or repressing the memory of a single phrase or a song. Many people regularly repress far larger memories without losing subjective continuity. Lyra: human female, ~17 Evan: boy, ~14, was an Eevee Anera: anime-style girl, ~12; Lyra made her My blog :: Time expectations are bad (forcing time targets are good though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intelhunter November 8, 2012 Share November 8, 2012 Unless you're erasing large amounts of stuff I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen unless you're already really unstable. We're talking about erasing or repressing the memory of a single phrase or a song. Many people regularly repress far larger memories without losing subjective continuity. But keep in mind that this shit is without ctrl+z, and all you need is one good psychosis from you and your tupper for you to get erased. ok, im requesting this thread to be hidden or something, this is not something everyone should know about. Ayo grill how you be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorheadlk November 8, 2012 Share November 8, 2012 But keep in mind that this shit is without ctrl+z, and all you need is one good psychosis from you and your tupper for you to get erased. ok, im requesting this thread to be hidden or something, this is not something everyone should know about. So let's hide everything from possession too, since the tulpa can control the host and potentially kill him. No, seriously, knowledge is here for everyone, censorship is stupid. There should be some classification or something on the titles of these threads, something like [Advanced-Only], because it's highly unlikely that a newborn tulpa would be able to handle things easily, especially if they're mad at you and they don't even know what mad is supposed to mean. I'm brazilian and my english is not really good, I'll do every mistake you imagine, but I'll try to avoid them. Tulpa: Kuruminha Age: Began on the middle of october. Form: My avatar. Sentience: Confirmed. Mindvoice: Not yet. Working on: Visualization and Mindspeaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intelhunter November 8, 2012 Share November 8, 2012 So let's hide everything from possession too, since the tulpa can control the host and potentially kill him. No, seriously, knowledge is here for everyone, censorship is stupid. There should be some classification or something on the titles of these threads, something like [Advanced-Only], because it's highly unlikely that a newborn tulpa would be able to handle things easily, especially if they're mad at you and they don't even know what mad is supposed to mean. hiding possesion? no, that is just silly, deletion is something permanent, while possession is temporary. also, im all for advanced only labels and stuff, but this is some really serious bsns, and the potential consequences is unfathomable. all it takes is one good fit of psychosis, and BAM! yer deleted. Ayo grill how you be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakase November 8, 2012 Share November 8, 2012 snip You're over-reacting. As motorheadlk said, new tulpae have no chance of being able to do this, and any host with a tulpa far enough along to change their memories (WITH THE HOST'S PERMISSION) should be smart enough to try this safely. If I ever tried this I would stick with modifying useless, made-up phrases like "The door is purple and Frank walked through it yesterday," instead of more important ones like "I am an x person and I enjoy doing y things because I am a z kind of guy," because good choice of phrases for modification or deletion sounds to me like a safe and logical thing to do. And I would be completely unsurprised if it turns out to be possible for a tulpa to restore memories that they have modified. Quite the opposite, I would expect them to be able to restore these memories relatively easily. I don't think there are many tulpae irresponsible enough to simply throw them away, after all. I don't even know if the brain is physically/ chemically capable of true memory deletion anyways. Finally, I think you're placing the potential danger of memory modification far too high above possession. It's not necessarily more dangerous, it's just that less is known about memory modification, as not too many people have done it, whereas many members have accomplished possession. Although honestly, I would FAR prefer to lose the memory that "I often enjoy chocolate" or "I dislike most rap" because of a botched memory modification, as opposed to losing control of an arm or even a finger because of a botched possession. TL;DR: It's not that big of a deal and I feel like most members are smart enough not to fuck this up if they attempt it. "Give a man a Truth, and he will think for a day. Teach a man to Reason, and he will think for a lifetime." -Phil Plait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intelhunter November 8, 2012 Share November 8, 2012 TL;DR: It's not that big of a deal and I feel like most members are smart enough not to fuck this up if they attempt it. ok, consider the following scenario: >tulpamancer X decides to make a tulpa. >all is well. >4 years later. >tulpamancer X is out partying(haha, yeah right, a social tulpamancer) inside doing drugs for the umpteenth time. >woah shit n1663r! a wild psychosis appears! >lasts for about 6 hours because too much too fast/mixing wrong stuff with other wrong stuff. >tulpa is affected too. >tulpa is now so well developed it can do stuff completely on its own, including memory deletion. >tulpa is now butt ass crazy, and decides that he has to shield his host form aliens or some shit. >decides that best way to protect host would be to kill him(read: delete). >delusional tulpa(delusion inside deluison, tehee) does so. >host is now gone forever. >tulpa comes down from the mixture of some crazy shit his peruvian dealer sold to his host and finds that his host is deleted. this is the kind of blood that i dont want to have on my hands, be very carefull about this, and dont fool around with it. Ayo grill how you be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakase November 8, 2012 Share November 8, 2012 [1] >tulpamancer X is inside doing drugs for the umpteenth time. ... [2] >a wild psychosis appears! ... [3] >lasts for about 6 hours because too much too fast/mixing wrong stuff with other wrong stuff. ... [4] this is the kind of blood that i dont want to have on my hands, be very carefull about this, and dont fool around with it. 1. I'm just going to throw this out there right now. I have no problem with a wide variety of mind-altering drugs, and realize that they are safe in the correct dosages and situations. But by making the usage of drugs your basis for thinking that memory modification is dangerous, you've IMMEDIATELY ruined your entire argument. It's not the memory modification that is dangerous, it's the habitual abuse of mind-altering drugs that is dangerous. 2. If we take it that psychosis is the belief that something exists which, in reality, does not, than tulpas fall under then umbrella of psychosis. A ton of people see and hear tulpas and perceive them as very real even though they exist only mentally and not physically. "Psychosis" isn't the term you're looking for, it's "Extreme high and loss of mental control due to large doses of multiple drugs." 3. This is a completely and mind-numbingly stupid thing to say. Again, it's not the memory modification that is doing any harm, it's the careless and reckless consumption of drugs which can be harmful or lethal in the incorrect doses and combinations. 4. Why are you taking credit for this theory? This idea isn't yours. You didn't come up with the possibility that this might be possible. Bluesleeve and Pleeb are the ones who were discussing it, and this is Blueesleeve's thread. If any harm comes to somebody through tulpa memory modification it will most likely be because the person in question is irresponsible and carelessly ingests large quantities of harmful drugs with no clues as to what the safe dosages or combinations are. I literally can not tell if you're being sarcastic or trolling or are actually trying to argue against what sounds like a perfectly safe thing to do. I don't understand how somebody could be ok with the idea of consciously and willingly adding an additional conscious to their mind, and NOT be ok with that second conscious changing one or two words in a made-up sentence. If my tulpa was far enough along to be able to attempt this I would gladly try it with no fear of self-injury because I trust myself and my tulpa. "Give a man a Truth, and he will think for a day. Teach a man to Reason, and he will think for a lifetime." -Phil Plait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purlox November 8, 2012 Share November 8, 2012 --talk about new test-- I'm going to be testing this more in the future and I'll do something like you wrote down among other things. a nice thing to do is to create a constant reminder that spells out loud or something to you that your mind may have been altered, because this has some nasty ass potential. No, im talking about a failsafe switch, a human or a tattoo that asks you questions/tells you about yourself every day. From what I have heard from others, you can make a backup of your memories if you want to. so it shouldn't be a problem to restore your memories in case something goes wrong. I'll experiment with that when I get more time. This sounds scary, as in "should-be-confined-to-profesional's" scary, "hide-under-your-bed" scary, and the likes. i might try it, but for now i think that this is something that you should try only after sitting down and having a serious talk with your tulpa, and i advice for having complete backups for everything. ok, im requesting this thread to be hidden or something, this is not something everyone should know about. I'm against hiding this as everyone should have the ability to learn about this. It's as dangerous as imposition, possession, switching or doing stuff in your subc can be, but that doesn't mean it has to be dangerous. Think of it as driving a car, it has many big advantages, but you never get rid of the small chance that you will end up being a part of car accident no matter how good driver you are. There should be some classification or something on the titles of these threads, something like [Advanced-Only], because it's highly unlikely that a newborn tulpa would be able to handle things easily, especially if they're mad at you and they don't even know what mad is supposed to mean. I am against division to advanced techniques and non-advanced, because I have seen quite a few people that succeeded with "advanced" stuff before doing some of the non-advanced and it helped them, I also know about a tulpa that probably wouldn't live (or would be born later) if the host didn't do imposition early, so I don't see a good reason for such division. the thing i am afraid of is that this could be effectively murder, accidentaly or on purpose, because man is shaped by his past, and if you remove your past you remove yourself. you effectively become another person, and that is not something to joke around with, everyone doing this should create a super-über failsafe switch, a tattoo, a voicemessage that is played every morning in speakers embedded in your ears, ect... It's true that people change because of what happens to them, but that doesn't mean they will stop being themselves when you get rid of their memories, because people aren't just a file that acts depending on what memories it has. Think of it as writing down whenever hardware on some PC was changed, even if someone erased the note of the HW changing, that doesn't mean it didn't change. ok, consider the following scenario: >tulpamancer X decides to make a tulpa. >all is well. >4 years later. >tulpamancer X is out partying(haha, yeah right, a social tulpamancer) inside doing drugs for the umpteenth time. >woah shit n1663r! a wild psychosis appears! >lasts for about 6 hours because too much too fast/mixing wrong stuff with other wrong stuff. >tulpa is affected too. >tulpa is now so well developed it can do stuff completely on its own, including memory deletion. >tulpa is now butt ass crazy, and decides that he has to shield his host form aliens or some shit. >decides that best way to protect host would be to kill him(read: delete). >delusional tulpa(delusion inside deluison, tehee) does so. >host is now gone forever. >tulpa comes down from the mixture of some crazy shit his peruvian dealer sold to his host and finds that his host is deleted. this is the kind of blood that i dont want to have on my hands, be very carefull about this, and dont fool around with it. How did you get from memory deletion to effective murder to a real murder? Seems like logic leaps to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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