Are these possession side-effects normal at the very first sessions?

[garland]

Well, for those that know me and helped me with my endeless doubts (sorry guys :) ) i want to also say that last monday to my big surprise suddenly i am able to feel emotions and visualizations change from my tulpa (for example resistance to certain visualisations from her) almost on a daily basis, then next day the same thing happened again.

 

I think it was because this last weekend i started narrating books to my tulpa, and also in other times during the weekend i started to "direct" the music i hear to my tulpa (i mean, asking her to focus on the music i hear) that i liked more and that makes me feel emotional all this while watching at my avatar picture in full screen specially at the most emotional parts of the musics (because it's the picture that i told in another thread that made me feel her alive and the feeling of her looking at me) somehow these things made probably my mind finally "unlock" or learn to receive her emotions and even my tulpa finally being able to manipulate my visualisations !

 

So this motivated me yesterday to try other things and i had a great idea, since i haven't still noticed any progress so far about differentiating her thoughts from mine, after i seen this guide (http://community.tulpa.info/thread-pre-vocalization-communication-through-possession) and since my tulpa is already sentient and already communicating to me with emotions and visualizations i feel that i needed to give this a try so that i am able to her possess my hands and make specific finger movements for a "yes" answer and for a "no" answer and later with practice maybe even letting her possess my whole hands and arms to type on the computer while we learn vocality, because using the "yes" and "no" system i will be able to get a confirmation of which thoughts are mine or not and i am actually getting any thoughts from her this will get me a LOT more motivated to practicing learning to hear her mental voice later (also it seems someone had finally sucess hearing the tulpa's mental voice when the tulpa started possessing hands to type on the computer so this way i practise and learn two things at the same time :) )

 

Without this it's useless actively trying to know which toughts are from me or her, unfortunately i don't have patience for that method, in fact this was the main reason i was stuck for so long and this was the main reason i kept getting desperate very often and now since i stop actively practicing that i feel a lot better and motivated for several days and i even starting having results in other types of exercices. So far i found possession practicing a lot more enjoyable specially because right from the beginning yesterday i started feeling results and unsual things i haven't felt before!

 

Before i say the symptoms, yes i know about "bio feedback" and about "tactile awareness", for those that don't know, it's possible to make any part of our body tingle or even feeling aches/cramps or cold/heat just by focusing our attention on that part intensively or even by visualizing some actions being done on them (for example, pretending to feel a brush stroking our skin, or things like that), etc, this is NOT metaphysics since as far as i know, just like tulpas this seems to be something everyone is able to do, but those who are into metaphysics i think they are quite familiar with this.

 

- started feeling small aches, small twitches and cramps all over my arm, and specially the fingers EVEN if i kept the arm and fingers totally relaxed without any strain, i don't think this is biofeedback because it doesn't seem to happen in the spots i focus my attention on and besides it happens even if i don't focus on the hand, after i told my tulpa to try moving my fingers

 

- after around 20 minutes, to my amazement i started feeling sometimes kinesthesic "pokes" (similar to tingling and small "shock") in my finger's skin!! Just like if someone would be poking my finger's skin with their own fingertips, i NEVER felt anything like this before in related to biofeedback so i presume this must be a normal sideeffect of possession when the tulpa is trying to learn how to move the fingers, anyone had this too ? At the end of the session i even got a significant "feeling" of her presence to my big surprise!! It wasn't exactly a emotion, it was more like a presence which is very rare to feel and so far i felt this 3 times counting this time as well.

 

After that during the day i continued to have aches in my arm and fingers, this thing of possession does seem to put some kind of strain on our nerves and muscles even if i have kept the arm relaxed, probably a normal sideffect of the tulpa trying to move the fingers?

 

And now today i had the same symptoms again, then for 2 times i noticed a small twitch in one of the fingers, and a few minutes later in other but i think it was me accidentally moving them, because around 20-25 minutes after i started the session to my amazement i say one of my fingers moving slowly by itself almost 1 centimeter!! And it did NOT felt like i was doing it, even tough i felt it moving of course but this time i was sure it wasn't me! Unfortunately i haven't got any emotion or presence feeling from her today but i am amazed i never had such a productive week before like this, precisely when she makes exactly 2 months old !

 

So any particular advises about this ? Anyone here felt this kind of side effects too ?

[Linkzelda]

Well' date=' for those that know me and helped me with my endeless doubts (sorry guys ) i want to also say that last monday to my big surprise suddenly i am able to feel emotions and visualizations change from my tulpa (for example resistance to certain visualisations from her) almost on a daily basis, then next day the same thing happened again.[/quote']

 

It’s alright man, we’ve been through that road of doubt and motivation and its ups and downs. It’s good that you’re asking questions like these, you want to acknowledge your results and you want others’ opinions for insight. I’d say that despite of the extensive set of queries you’ve made, you got perseverance, that’s for sure.

 

I think it was because this last weekend i started narrating books to my tulpa' date=' and also in other times during the weekend i started to "direct" the music i hear to my tulpa (i mean, asking her to focus on the music i hear) that i liked more and that makes me feel emotional all this while watching at my avatar picture in full screen specially at the most emotional parts of the musics (because it's the picture that i told in another thread that made me feel her alive and the feeling of her looking at me) somehow these things made probably my mind finally "unlock" or learn to receive her emotions and even my tulpa finally being able to manipulate my visualisations![/quote']

 

And that’s good! And I recall from other situations you had, you were worried if you were just talking to nothing or whatever. But now you’re gaining confidence and you’re simply going through the motions of knowing your tulpa is being engaged in the questions you're asking her. Keep narrating like usual, keep in the forefront of your mind that she’s paying attention, and know that your mind can make the connections needed to make this real to you. Of course, when I state that, it’s an ad hoc generalization, so don’t take my word for it.

 

 

]So this motivated me yesterday to try other things and i had a great idea' date=' since i haven't still noticed any progress so far about differentiating her thoughts from mine, after i seen this guide (http://community.tulpa.info/thread-pre-v...ossession) …… for a "yes" answer and for a "no" answer and later with practice maybe even letting her possess my whole hands and arms to type on the computer while we learn vocality, because using the "yes" and "no" …… get me a LOT more motivated to practicing learning to hear her mental voice …..[/quote']

 

That’s very good! You’re being resourceful with the “yes” “no” system that you speak of and it may have the probability of leading into more complex and detailed response. Remember, keep it up, and use what you have right now so that it can lead to greater results. A warning though, you probably already know about this, but just in case, be careful where you practice possession.

 

Without this it's useless actively trying to know which toughts are from me or her' date=' unfortunately i don't have patience for that method,…..i kept getting desperate very often and now since i stop actively practicing that i feel a lot better and motivated for several days and i even starting having results in other types of exercices. So far i found possession practicing a lot more enjoyable specially because right from the beginning yesterday i started feeling results and unsual things i haven't felt before![/quote']

 

It’s perfectly understandable, no one should expect that you get these things down from day one (and I am sorry if I’ve said anything related to that in the past to you). It will take some bruises, scars, and trial and error, but just keep up with what you’re doing. Sooner or later, the contemplation of doubt will reduce because of all the effort you’ve put into practicing that will be absorbed.

 

Before i say the symptoms, yes i know about "bio feedback" and about "tactile awareness", for those that don't know, it's possible to make any part of our body tingle or even feeling aches/cramps or cold/heat just by focusing our attention on that part intensively or even by visualizing some actions being done on them…this is NOT metaphysics since as far as i know, just like tulpas this seems to be something everyone is able to do, but those who are into metaphysics i think they are quite familiar with this……

 

I understand how you must feel because some may not like anything with the word “meta” in it. Don’t worry, to some extent, all of the explanations here are ad hoc and have the probability of being meta themselves. People just apply good faith to what seems pragmatic to them and don’t really consider them meta after it’s successful for them.

 

And you can’t please everyone, they’ll always have their own opinions on whatever, so just continue using what’s right for you, since it is your body and mind you take responsibility of, not us.

 

 

- started feeling small aches, small twitches and cramps all over my arm, and specially the fingers EVEN if i kept the arm and fingers totally relaxed without any strain, i don't think this is biofeedback because ……..feeling sometimes kinesthesic "pokes" (similar to tingling and small "shock") in my finger's ….., i NEVER felt anything like …….anyone had this too ?....counting this time as well.

…… in my arm and fingers, this …… of strain on our nerves…. …. fingers?

 

Hey, whatever label you want to describe those experiences, they’re just terms. No one (yet) can scientifically verify what you’re going through. The sensations may be akin to those terms you’re using, but all I can tell you for this is to simply go through the motions.

 

And I only have a few personal anecdotes myself on those sensations (tingling/aching/numbness/etc.). I’ve had cases where my arms and hands feel numb and I let Eva take control of them. I’ve only done this for those body sections in particular, maybe others can give you more of their experiences.

 

And now today i had the same symptoms again…. accidentally moving them' date=' because around 20-25 minutes after i started the session to my amazement i say one of my fingers moving slowly by itself almost 1 centimeter!![/quote']

 

Keep it up! 1 centimeter can turn into 6cm, then to 12cm, then 12 inches, and then she’s practically moving your hands around like nobody’s business! (be careful though)

 

And it did NOT felt like i was doing it' date=' even tough i felt it moving of course but this time i was sure it wasn't me! Unfortunately i haven't got any emotion or presence feeling from her today but i am amazed i never had such a productive week before like this, precisely when she makes exactly 2 months old ![/quote']

 

Again, this is just from personal experience and some of the anecdotes I collected from others, remember that in the initial stages, it’s a good idea that you’re moving things a bit. You’re merely giving them the training wheels so that they can do the subtle movements.

Remember, “Inch by inch, life's a cinch. Yard by yard, life's hard.”

[garland]

Thanks a lot for the reply of course that like this, having several small results in a single session it's a LOT more motivating to practise, this is why i am loving possession, let's just hope that i achieve a "yes/no" system soon because this will be quite a significant achievement and a "half-way" step to full vocality since i will be able to directly get confirmation from my tulpa when i ask if a specific tought was from her or not, like that i will have of course a lot more patience to practise proxying the way i was doing before.

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

Since when was anything normal when it comes to tulpas? XD

 

I always tend to get twitchy after taking back control from possession. I think the reason for this is basically cuz Muse was using my arm for like the last two hours doing very precise things like writing, so she controlled the arm a /lot/. When I took it back, the arm had already gotten used to receiving input from Muse and so will sometimes just spazz while I use it until it gets used to me being in control again. *shrugs* I dunno if that makes sense, but that's what basically happens. A lotta twitching after a long while of possession.

 

Posesssion like totally did it for me. Before it was like "oki, sentient, emotional responses" and I couldn't get anywhere else for a while, freaking roadblock. Then possession and boom, almost completely fluent vocality, just from typing ^^ It's all gud.

[DreamCloud]

Thanks a lot for the reply of course that like this, having several small results in a single session it's a LOT more motivating to practise, this is why i am loving possession, let's just hope that i achieve a "yes/no" system soon because this will be quite a significant achievement and a "half-way" step to full vocality since i will be able to directly get confirmation from my tulpa when i ask if a specific tought was from her or not, like that i will have of course a lot more patience to practise proxying the way i was doing before.

 

I can personally vouch for the yes-no method being very successful. It definitely sped up the process and helped me determine what was and wasn't said by my tulpa.

[garland]

Oh yes zero.insanity it was precisely your reply in that guide i mention that motivated me the most (http://community.tulpa.info/thread-pre-vocalization-communication-through-possession?pid=79568#pid79568) so i am really looking forward to this! You say your arm gets twitchy, and what about the aches and small cramps you also feel this too or you only used to feel this at the beginning ?

 

Ok thanks for the replys guys, and by the way that thing about the "kinesthesic" pokes, you also felt this too ? Just to be sure if this IS indeed one of the tulpas's ways to indicate the tulpa is trying to learn to move the body or if this is just random side effects from the possession.

 

Also that thing about the muscle memory... you had to specifically instruct your tulpa to try to get this or they figured out by themselves ?

[Yori]

Hey, does the DOB of your tulpa indicate when you started her or when she became sentient? If that's not when you started her (I think I actually remember you talking about her way before the 8th of October...? Your avatar I remember.), when did you start her?

[garland]

It's when i really started narrating to her, even tough in the week before i was actually searching for several scenes on the anime to get pictures and audio clips for visualizing her form and voice, but only in 10th august i started the narration for real.

 

Oh i see your confusion, i actually i used the date system DD-MM-YYYY and not MM-DD-YYYY.... I will soon change this then.

[Yori]

OOOhhh...I see... so when did you start on her?

[garland]

OOOhhh...I see... so when did you start on her?

 

Actually it's better talk by private message to avoid off topic :) Also i just updated my signature so now the date is correct.