Is this a good book?

[jean-luc]

Indeed, this one is proving a little harder than the first. Also less free time (and by that I mean I downloaded portal stories: mel and it has super difficult puzzles)

[Tirisilex]

Well I just finished reading the book "Magical Use of Thought Forms". This book teaches that if a Thought Form begins to take on a personality of its own that it can beceom permenant and dangerous. Which seems to contradict how this Forum looks at Tulpas. Here you teach a permanent friend with their own consciousness. This book says it can be bad to do this. This book teaches that you should only make temporary thought forms which do not last long. This forum disagrees with this thought I gather.

[sushi]

With that, yes. But there's lots of good advice in there about visualization, and the story of the yidam describes the process of imposition.

[Jarr]

I've read it and I personally took quite a few things away from it. I liked it overall.

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I still don't understand this "Tulpas are/aren't science" stuff. I'm starting to think I'm the only one capable of critical thinking here.

 

What is so hard about observing the nature of your own thoughts? What is so hard about breaking the mold of your conditioned non-thinking and actually paying attention?

Stop trying to use science where it doesn't belong. If you don't know how to explore subjectivity objectively, you'll just become ignorant to the possible truths. If there's one thing to be learned from every religion, every pessimist and optimist, from our entire history as a species, it's that we don't live in a world of inarguable truths and objective facts. Science - the use of the scientific method to explore the world we live in - is an extremely useful tool and has enabled us to do a lot, and it's certainly brought a lot of our belief systems closer together with its obsession with facts. But it's not all-encompassing, and it's not even close to the pinnacle of human nature. There's so much more at play in each of our lives. Every one of us lives with our own unique truths and falsities, because our existence at its core is still subjective. Until science understands human consciousness in its entirety, you can't keep treating it like it's an objective concept. And even then, I don't think a human being alone will ever truly understand consciousness through science, we'll probably create technology to do it for us.

 

You act like the original human comes from some transcendental realm far above a tulpas', that we're something greater than them. It happens to be one of my beliefs that a tulpa is a persona, the same thing we know ourselves as, but unattached to the body through identification. But whether you believe that or not, you can't deny that you can't grasp the true nature of your existence, and as far as I'm concerned that means you're not allowed to make objective claims of truth about it. Pertaining to this subject, that means you're not allowed to decide what a tulpa is or isn't, objectively, for anyone other than yourself. Certainly not under the guise of science. The reason we don't judge each other as "right" or "wrong" here is because we all have different histories of experience that have shaped us and our views differently, right?

 

But here's the thing. When you side yourself with science and logic, you get this impression that your subjective reality is the correct one. Everyone else is right and wrong for their own reasons, but yours is right because it makes sense to you. And that's great, but it's not right, not by science and not by me. Truth is subjective, too, outside the scope of hard science. And as far as I'm concerned, even when you bring science into it. Your way is not the way, it's a way. Your beliefs are not the truth, they're a truth. If you think they're the truth, you've got something really important to learn: reality is subjective, for each and every one of us, because we are not computers, we are living creatures. Universal objective truths are not how humans work. That should be obvious, from all the conflict in the world.

 

 

Sorry I've gotten so philosophically off topic here, but I don't know any other way to help you understand. You seem to care so much about finding the truth, so I had to raise the perspective a bit. My message in relation to tulpas here is that, basically, you've already decided on a "truth" for yourself, based on your experiences and beliefs. But the universal truth is that that's only one of them, that they change from person to person, and that they can change for you, too. If you really want the truth, you can't keep limiting your beliefs to what you already believe. If that's all you're going to do, then congratulations, you've already found it. If you want a real, universal truth, then you're going to have to do more than just look for someone else's personal truth that can defend itself better than yours. I'm not interested in forming the "strongest" subjective proof and calling it objective "for science". I'm interested in understanding the very nature of it, and how it can change for everyone. And hopefully, how everyone can choose their own truth.

 

But to do that, to give them the freedom to do so, they'll have to realize they aren't locked into theirs, or anyone else's. That they aren't locked into anything. A tulpa can be whatever you want it to be, no matter your preconceived beliefs of them, because you can change those beliefs. You can be whatever you want to be in the same way, but this isn't really the time or place to talk about that.

 

 

 

TL;DR your beliefs create your reality, and if you're looking for a truth that isn't what you currently believe, you're going to have to change those beliefs. In this case, by realizing right and wrong don't exist, and that using them is only a challenge to the universe to prove you wrong.

 

As someone currently trying to realize that myself, after believing in science as the only way to objective truth for so long, I think I know what I'm talking about. Science is a tool, not a religion. You are not a follower of the tool religion, you're a human who created that tool to further itself. Use it, but don't make it your god. Never forget that you're the creator of your reality, and nothing can change that.

 

I wish I could describe what exactly I felt while reading this, but I'm happy you wrote it.

[Tirisilex]

I just finished the book, "Creating Magickal Entities: A Complete Guide to Entity Creation" and this book does not agree on the same outlook on Thought Forms as this site. They tell you to set an expiration date on your thought form and they are practically a slave.. More like servitors but have sentience. Just thought I give a short review about the book.

[sushi]

I've seen similar advice in psionics communities. They seem to have this belief that every sentient thoughtform will turn against its creator. Strangely, that doesn't seem to have happened for us.