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Note: [WIP] is work in progress, not badging kay guise?

 

Google docs link:

 

Linkzelda's Rough Draft Article on Living With Tulpa

 

Note: More information will be added, the guide rough draft article is meant to be updated as much as possible.

 

Most of the aim are suggestions and ways to live with tulpa, and please be aware that this is just one perspective. And in no way is this guide aimed to be something credible obviously. And even though this will be mentioned in the actual link to the rough draft article, in no way should the information being given be seen as fact. Citations from other sources, especially for lucid dreaming in general to hopefully associate that with the tulpa phenomenon may be there.

 

 

http://community.tulpa.info/thread-request-for-ideas-for-creating-a-tulpa-e-book

 

But it's not intended to be an all-encompassing ebook or google docs file on tulpa, merely how to live with them. I will add other things like relating the lucid dreaming phenomenon and such in the near future.

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Good guide.

 

A few other relationships that occurred to me: Lover (obviously, but maybe you'd rather not glorify it), Pet, Coworker (This is sort of the relationship with me and my tulpa), and daemons are treated something like the outward manifestation of one's own soul.

"'Real isn't how you are made,' said the Skin Horse. 'It's a thing that happens to you.'"

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Thanks Shui, I was going to add cohabitation (which would fit with the role of "lover" "girlfriend," "boyfriend," etc.), but of course, like you stated, didn't want to glorify that because you know how this community is.

 

I will consider that in the future though, and thank you very much for the suggestions.

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I like this guide for the most part, goes over some of the things I've been thinking about. Thanks. <3

 

I think for the most part my greatest concern was the section(s) discussing love, and yes I know you stated yourself that you never intended to be writing absolutes/pushing views, obviously.

I won't go into it unless asked, but I have pretty strong views on the subject of love. (Strong but simple in some respects) It's more than just an abstract or subjective concept to me.

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I just have to say. You are one of the people I respect the most on this site. When ever there is a subject that I don't personally feel I have knowledge in, I wait for you to give a response to the thread and you are able to explain it in a way I can't help but understand. I love your guides, they've helped me and I feel they've helped me help Bud. Thank you for all the work you've put into the community, I look forward to reading more from you.

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Do you remember me telling you that your posts were too long and rambling? I'd criticise this guide in the same way. You've written seventeen thousand words and that's a lot, and I know that you want to write an ebook but I'd say forget it if this is what it's going to be like. Not that I'm criticising it solely for being too long, or written on things like whether a tulpa's love is unconditional or not. Let me take out a few passages selected more or less at random:

 

Examples of Apophenia for Tulpa

Here's some examples of how a tulpa may question the authenticity of their existence:

 

Day of Birth:

  • A tulpa celebrating their birthday may not be as traditional in how humans would because of many factors, one of which is where the host may suppress or block the tulpa from gathering what they're saying. At best, based on how the existential aspects, contributory factors that go in tandem with them, and basic logic with the human mind in general, this is merely heavily implications of the tulpa being dichotomous from the host's mind. Unless there's evidence in the future that would refute that statement, with a being that can continually increase their sentience and sapience, it would merely be the tulpa not shifting their awareness towards things relating in the host's mind on what they may do for their birthday.

 

Notice here the grammatical errors. I'm not sure whether it's just them that are making the passage incomprehensible to me but honestly I can't see the link between any two of your sentences here. I'm not being obtuse; I honestly cannot see how you've gone from apophenia to birthdays to existentialism or anything else - the preceding paragraphs were more of the same, too.

 

 

Types of Imposition & Why They're Desirable

 

Visual Imposition

 

Visual Imposition is an activity in which the host “imposes” their tulpa into their perception of reality. It's usually beneficial to have some experience in visualizing one's tulpa through the mind's eye and being able to have unconscious competence in imagining them as well. This may save a lot of hassle in the long run so that the host doesn't have to do two things through intense conscious effort (mind's eye and focusing on their awareness of reality) at the same time.

[and the rest]

 

There are a few things wrong here. Firstly, you manage to not use the word "hallucination" once, and secondly, you manage to miss the actual motivation for visual imposition - that being, oh, being able to see your tulpa.

 

 

Proxying is an activity in which the host acts as a conduit/agent while their tulpa speaks to them.

 

You missed the part of the definition that mentions speaking to other people.

 

 

You know, I could do this all day. It's not like some won't enjoy reading this for whatever reason but it's poorly written, and it's long, rambling and lacks coherence. Given that most of the stuff in the guide is, as far as I've looked, very obvious, completely pointless or just your (wrong) opinion, I really struggle to see how the average reader could glean much useful information from it.

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Do you remember me telling you that your posts were too long and rambling? I'd criticise this guide in the same way. You've written seventeen thousand words and that's a lot, and I know that you want to write an ebook but I'd say forget it if this is what it's going to be like. Not that I'm criticising it solely for being too long, or written on things like whether a tulpa's love is unconditional or not. Let me take out a few passages selected more or less at random

 

Yes moderator waffles, I remember.

 

I wanted to take your advice from the previous thread that being concise and shorter is all that's needed, but then I wondered if suppressing certain thoughts was really beneficial since most responses would just be echo chambers here.

 

Especially when talking to users with questions on those threads, they never seem to get the answer they want and usually go into longer detail through a PM or during chat. I guess when it comes to looking at the forum posts, it's inconsistent and can bleed the eyes out of the indolent, and it's mostly my fault responding more in detail in those PMs and in chat and shifting that habit to forum posts.

 

But when I'm seeing users that become intimidated by smart asses (they know who they are) who think a shorter post would suffice with their problems, it becomes a matter on how people don't answer to them because they'll be impatient. Maybe you receive PMs from others and deal with that as well, but a lot of users suppress what they're really thinking because of certain members who are vocal in aggressive ways. So conciseness would be sufficient to those who already know the details, but I guess trying to shift into more details isn't really worth it to newcomers anymore. But with how you usually become irritated by longer posts in general, maybe you don't really respond to any longer PMs from others, so it's probably just a reflection that people don't really see you as a good judge of character.

 

Notice here the grammatical errors. I'm not sure whether it's just them that are making the passage incomprehensible to me but honestly I can't see the link between any two of your sentences here. I'm not being obtuse; I honestly cannot see how you've gone from apophenia to birthdays to existentialism or anything else - the preceding paragraphs were more of the same, too.

 

It's my fault for using a horrible example for apophenia, I tried to tie it down with a tulpa trying to validate their origins or some kind of date they could remember that would contribute to that. But again, I was looking forward to heavy criticism for this guide either way, so thank you for mentioning this.

 

But you probably just snipped that part and because you usually don't want to read further, you either ignored this part completely:

 

Most of these aspects are more transient compared to how the host themselves would have years passed by with gaining their own experiences and knowledge without having the type of dependence a tulpa would need for those pre-existent memories/concepts/etc. in their initial moments. This increases the probability of the tulpa gathering/making or fabricating meaning from other bits and information from the mind overall that may not necessarily have meaning or value. Note this is probable for the initial stages, it doesn’t necessarily mean every single thing is fake to them.

 

But again, I'll make sure to have it to where it's in the ideology of waffles.

 

 

 

 

There are a few things wrong here. Firstly, you manage to not use the word "hallucination" once, and secondly, you manage to miss the actual motivation for visual imposition - that being, oh, being able to see your tulpa.

 

Thanks, I'll make sure to be obvious with visual imposition. I guess without common sense, people think they can have a tangible tulpa rather than just a projection. Seeing the tulpa would be the fairly obvious deduction, but of course, I'll add that next time. I'll also take note of what you stated with the guide being fairly obvious and completely pointless in the first place, I'll find some way to make some resolve with this contradicting logic.

 

 

You missed the part of the definition that mentions speaking to other people.

 

Wait, let me double check:

 

Proxying is an activity in which the host acts as a conduit/agent while their tulpa speaks to them. They transcribe the information either through typing/writing/drawing/etc. or through actual speech themselves. This involves some level of vocal skill between the tulpa and the host being receptive to their voices as well.

 

Maybe you were just intentionally forgetting to add that other snippet, maybe it's just the word "transcribe" wasn't obvious, or maybe it was just something else entirely you were doing. I guess I had to go into further detail on what transcribe would mean when I mentioned speaking (which would obviously mean speaking to themselves or to other people from simple deduction), but of course, I guess that wouldn't be enough since it would make the guide too obvious and pointless for you.

 

You know, I could do this all day. It's not like some won't enjoy reading this for whatever reason but it's poorly written, and it's long, rambling and lacks coherence. Given that most of the stuff in the guide is, as far as I've looked, very obvious, completely pointless or just your (wrong) opinion, I really struggle to see how the average reader could glean much useful information from it.

 

I guess this depends on our own inherent bias on "average reader," because now it becomes a question of who's opinions is more pragmatic. And since these are major generalizations, it's either a reflection of the inconsistency with the community in general, or just a person's vendetta towards others members.

 

If you can do this all day, then I heavily encourage you to do so, since these are just small snippets you're picking from the guide. But I guess with past history of your gripes with the posts of mine, it's probably just a common habit for you to be steadfast in the opinions, but of course, having people criticizing the guide is the perfect way to make it better. But when it becomes a matter of constructive criticism, usually your posts are filled with passive-aggressiveness rather than actual content for criticism.

 

Also, for things that are fairly obvious, look at the sections in this forum, clearly people forget common sense and the obvious. Especially since in the disclaimer in the beginning:

 

And the guide is formatted, or at least is aimed to be formatted for people who may not have adequate knowledge of the concept of tulpa, so for those who are experienced in this, please bear with me if concepts stated in this guide is obvious and self-explanatory.

 

I guess when it comes to "adequate," it's different in your opinion. I had a cognitive bias before that shorter posts would suffice after lurking through all the sections in this forum before joining, but then people obviously weren't try to think a little bit more into this. When people wanted to know if forgetting their tulpa for 2-3 days would suddenly make them disintegrate and other obvious queries while reading longer posts, it's just a challenge of responding with certain lengths based on the level of the question being asked.

 

But again, if any opinion of mine is wrong, tell me specifically which are. If all you're doing is collecting minor snippets instead of the whole, then wanting me to be more obvious with certain terms, but then make the conclusion that either way, it would be too obvious and self-explanatory, I guess I'm at loss of what to review of this response of yours.

 

Either way, I know the guide isn't set in stone, it will need major revisions, but I would like for you to actually go a little bit further in which opinions of mine are wrong, then the opinions of the community in general.

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This honestly is less of a guide and more of an article that is more than just about living with a tupper. I think the actual living with a tupper part was overshadowed by everything else.

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This honestly is less of a guide and more of an article that is more than just about living with a tupper. I think the actual living with a tupper part was overshadowed by everything else.

 

I figured talking about something common, which is people who don't bother to acknowledge their tulpa's existence before actually trying to live with them. Newcomers seem to go through so much doubt that they forget how they're actually living before they knew about the concept would be a decent model in treating a tulpa as sentient and sapient.

 

Thanks Sands. Will update that in the future hopefully on more detail with relationship types and such. I put it on the last section of the guide because I felt the concepts before that would stack later on. Of course, with any content in that guide, it's not set in stone, so those roles and relationship types were just an overview, but will be put into more detailed.

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Yes moderator waffles, I remember.

 

I wanted to take your advice from the previous thread that being concise and shorter is all that's needed, but then I wondered if suppressing certain thoughts was really beneficial since most responses would just be echo chambers here.

 

Especially when talking to users with questions on those threads, they never seem to get the answer they want and usually go into longer detail through a PM or during chat. I guess when it comes to looking at the forum posts, it's inconsistent and can bleed the eyes out of the indolent, and it's mostly my fault responding more in detail in those PMs and in chat and shifting that habit to forum posts.

 

But when I'm seeing users that become intimidated by smart asses (they know who they are) who think a shorter post would suffice with their problems, it becomes a matter on how people don't answer to them because they'll be impatient. Maybe you receive PMs from others and deal with that as well, but a lot of users suppress what they're really thinking because of certain members who are vocal in aggressive ways. So conciseness would be sufficient to those who already know the details, but I guess trying to shift into more details isn't really worth it to newcomers anymore. But with how you usually become irritated by longer posts in general, maybe you don't really respond to any longer PMs from others, so it's probably just a reflection that people don't really see you as a good judge of character.

I don't dislike long posts, just ones that have no structure or conclusion. You probably don't actually remember my advice because it wasn't "don't write long posts", it was "think your posts through before writing them". The point of the matter here is not that detail is always bad, but that if you can't summarise your ideas then they are not complete and you haven't thought out and planned your post properly. I applied the same criticism to this guide.

 

 

It's my fault for using a horrible example for apophenia, I tried to tie it down with a tulpa trying to validate their origins or some kind of date they could remember that would contribute to that. But again, I was looking forward to heavy criticism for this guide either way, so thank you for mentioning this.

 

But you probably just snipped that part and because you usually don't want to read further, you either ignored this part completely:

Most of these aspects are more transient compared to how the host themselves would have years passed by with gaining their own experiences and knowledge without having the type of dependence a tulpa would need for those pre-existent memories/concepts/etc. in their initial moments. This increases the probability of the tulpa gathering/making or fabricating meaning from other bits and information from the mind overall that may not necessarily have meaning or value. Note this is probable for the initial stages, it doesn’t necessarily mean every single thing is fake to them.

 

But again, I'll make sure to have it to where it's in the ideology of waffles.

I didn't read it because I read the first paragraph after my quote and decided to stop there.

 

Yeah, as far as I can see none of the stuff under "Apophenia" has anything to do with apophenia. I think you're trying to use the term to mean ascribing meaning to objects that have none, whereas I understand it as ascribing pattern to information that has none. I realise that the two definitions side by side seem very similar, but your example I think clarifies it:

Your apophenia is where someone thinks a particular piece of information is meaningful when it is not, whereas conventionally it is where someone thinks there is a meaningful connection between pieces of information when there is not.

I might be getting at semantics here but it's still relevant. It's not just a bad example, it's a misuse of the term.

 

Your later paragraph doesn't really clear anything up for me. I vaguely get what you're trying to say, but it doesn't make the paragraph I quoted any more coherent, nor does it help your point since your own quote is still very difficult (for me) to understand without taking a few minutes. Shortening your sentences might be a good place to start.

 

In any case, your next example I think makes even less sense, and you don't even explain that one. Plus you never really conclude about apophenia or leave it resolved, even in your "How To Deal With Existential Crises".

 

 

Thanks, I'll make sure to be obvious with visual imposition. I guess without common sense, people think they can have a tangible tulpa rather than just a projection. Seeing the tulpa would be the fairly obvious deduction, but of course, I'll add that next time. I'll also take note of what you stated with the guide being fairly obvious and completely pointless in the first place, I'll find some way to make some resolve with this contradicting logic.

 

I don't know why you wouldn't have included that though. If I were defining imposition I would certainly mention hallucination, because that's the core (and only) aspect of it.

Visual Imposition is an activity in which the host “imposes” their tulpa into their perception of reality.

Why would you even write this sentence? I may as well say

Skiing is an activity in which the skier skies down a ski slope.

The point is not that you defined it at all (that is obvious to me, and in any case is in glossaries and guides and such) but that you tried to define it and failed. The same applies for why you would want to impose: of course I think that saying "you can see your tulpa" is blindingly obvious, but if you're dedicating a paragraph to why people would want to impose then why wouldn't you?

 

Maybe you were just intentionally forgetting to add that other snippet, maybe it's just the word "transcribe" wasn't obvious, or maybe it was just something else entirely you were doing. I guess I had to go into further detail on what transcribe would mean when I mentioned speaking (which would obviously mean speaking to themselves or to other people from simple deduction), but of course, I guess that wouldn't be enough since it would make the guide too obvious and pointless for you.

The guide is already too obvious and pointless, that point is done. My point here, as above, is that you're defining obvious things and doing it wrong. And sure, I can do that sentence too.

They transcribe the information either through typing/writing/drawing/etc. or through actual speech themselves.

Firstly, transcribing doesn't imply chatting to someone on the internet. No really, it doesn't. Secondly, transcribing does imply writing. You don't transcribe via speaking. 'Proxying' is not a difficult term to define, so why have you written a definition that doesn't define it properly? Obviously because having written thousands of words on whether unconditional love is better than conditional love, and why someone might want to impose, it would be too obvious to mention that proxying involves talking to others.

 

 

I guess this depends on our own inherent bias on "average reader," because now it becomes a question of who's opinions is more pragmatic. And since these are major generalizations, it's either a reflection of the inconsistency with the community in general, or just a person's vendetta towards others members.

This is like your writing distilled. Non-sequiturs and grammar errors. But to answer your 'question', mine is more pragmatic because if you assume that you have to make your writing clearer to be understood properly, you write more clearly and therefore end up with a more readable piece.

 

 

If you can do this all day, then I heavily encourage you to do so, since these are just small snippets you're picking from the guide. But I guess with past history of your gripes with the posts of mine, it's probably just a common habit for you to be steadfast in the opinions,

Or maybe because you haven't actually done anything in response to my gripes, my gripes remain the same because I have the same problems with your writing as I have had before. If by "steadfast in my opinions" you mean consistent like that, then sure.

 

 

But when it becomes a matter of constructive criticism, usually your posts are filled with passive-aggressiveness rather than actual content for criticism.

Here's constructive:

  • Write more clearly.
  • Plan your pieces properly.
  • Make sure your pieces are structured and coherent.
  • Proofread your pieces.

 

 

Also, for things that are fairly obvious, look at the sections in this forum, clearly people forget common sense and the obvious. Especially since in the disclaimer in the beginning:

I'm aware that people are stupid but in my experience telling someone to use their common sense is a more effective approach than using their common sense for them. And yes, you have a disclaimer.

 

 

but then people obviously weren't try to think a little bit more into this.

I know, right? I hate it when that happens.

 

 

When people wanted to know if forgetting their tulpa for 2-3 days would suddenly make them disintegrate and other obvious queries while reading longer posts, it's just a challenge of responding with certain lengths based on the level of the question being asked.

Here's a challenge for you: write a one-word response to that. "No" helps, and if that doesn't work then you can tell them how you know. What you don't need to do is write a five-paragraph motivational speech, as I've seen you do.

 

 

But again, if any opinion of mine is wrong, tell me specifically which are. If all you're doing is collecting minor snippets instead of the whole, then wanting me to be more obvious with certain terms, but then make the conclusion that either way, it would be too obvious and self-explanatory, I guess I'm at loss of what to review of this response of yours.

Let me make this very very clear for you:

  • Your guide is obvious, all seventeen thousand words of it.
  • Within that, you have defined obvious things inadequately, and covered topics - that you wanted to cover, not me - inadequately.
  • Your writing is unclear and full of errors.
  • Your guide is unstructured and a bit all over the place.

The only solution for the first one is to get rid of the guide, so let's set that aside. The second is the one that you're paying the most attention to, and I think I gave a few examples of it already with the "why impose", "what is proxying", and in this post the stuff about 'apophenia'. If you want me to pick out every single flaw I find then that's alright, I can do that. But first you need to rewrite it so that I can get what you're saying, alright? It's unreasonable to ask me to pick through 30 or 40 pages of this as it is.

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