As a new member of the tulpa-world, am I doing stuff right?

[King]

It's alright dude, questioning things and ideas is important, and if you feel like calling out something, that's fine too! I myself would probably just use less harsh wording next time to do so - after all, we all may be crazy people talking to other crazy people in our heads and on a public forum, but we're all crazy together!

[Guest Anonymous]

Your posts really bother me Anderson. Do you have a single post that is something other than spewing anecdotal bs as "evidence", and being matter-of-factly about things you seem to have no knowledge of?

 

 

 

These paragraphs are so pretentious. Really, do you have anything to base this on, at all?

 

 

You sound really gullible, just saying.

 

 

And what does this even have to do with anything?

 

 

I don't even know about this one... Again, really pretentious. You really sound like you know what imagination and creativity entail. Is there something you know the rest of the world doesn't?

 

I want to make this clear: I know next to nothing about tulpas, but still. You say a lot of things, but other than the discussion of "it is what you believe it is," they are really not very well backed up, and the way you talk about them makes you sound really sure that you have all the answers, losing you a ton of credibility. Not to mention the amount of not-at-all or very loosely related to the discussion things you wrote. You even present kind of clashing ideas. You say you can't decide what goes on in your mind (which is a great example of something that is really a moot point), and then go on to say that you have to choose what to believe in. Jesus, you didn't even manage to deliver on the whole point (a very important point by the way), of what is real, what isn't, it just became another moot and vapid point.

 

I think you should think a bit more about what you write. And I know I'm not great, but believe me when I say that I give my darnest best efforts when I want to try to communicate something, especially through text, since I have so much time to just get it as best as I can.

 

I don't know man, maybe I'm totally wrong and just being a huge D (keep in mind that I did this more to help the OP, because missinformation is the devil of our age, and not to attack you personally), but you seem like a really shifty one to me... You seem like the kind of person who's the reason why things like tulpas are so looked down uppon and never taken seriously.

 

I'm calling most of your advice, your claims, your theories and what you base them on, all questionable at best.

And to the OP: you should be careful with his post.

 

I had no intentions of tossing insults around. I've been in tulpamancy for around 4,5 years now. While I don't believe that tulpamancy is insanity, you can't say that it's really any sane, go ahead and ask anyone about it, and they'll tell you themselves.

 

Misinformation? Have you bothered to go through how your mind functions? How well you can produce hallucinations with enough practice, self-induced ones I mean, have you seen what a tulpa is capable of doing to your mind, your mood, your emotions, your thoughts? After years of being into this, I can say one thing; Belief plays a very large role. If you believe in tulpamancy, and of course put in mindpower into forcing, then you will get results. I didn't mean to make it pass off as just make-believe, believing and having faith in things is an essential part but it's not the whole work.

 

Okay.

 

Let me break down things very simply, and in a polite way at that. When I write down my posts, I don't keep in mind how you, or the original poster would react. I'm only speaking of my experiences with people, tulpamancy, and my own mind while at it. What you feel like I am saying is COMPLETELY RELIANT on your impression of me. I understand people may have taken the first part of my post offensively, but I did not mean to make any offenses to begin with. I was just stating how things can be. If you do have mental illness (not that it's likely, but in case you DO, which is something people love to ignore and tell themselves 'no way not possible nuh-uh'), you'd want to get it checked up. I didn't mean to tell anyone they have mental illness, just having all the possibilities straight up is better. I told myself since day one of vocality from my tulpa's side that I 'might' have mental illness, the same can go for anyone, and with all the disorders in the book, it could be anything. COULD. Doesn't mean that it stands as a reality, does it?

 

Please, please, please. Don't tell me that my paragraphs are pretentious. Nobody is trying to be on a high horse on a forum where we discuss imaginary friends, please... I would like it if you limited putting words in my mouth to a minimum. I stated that I did not mean any offense, and was just presenting facts as they may be. People always, ALWAYS take things personally and think that others are out to get them... why is that? Why must you feel so much disgust and offense at the sight of someone telling you something you don't like but might be true? Is it self-entitlement from their part? Nobody is forcing you to accept my views at all. I haven't compared anyone to myself or put myself on higher grounds of 'sanity' (lol), so please, please, don't tell me I'm acting pretentious or arrogant.

 

Nobody is forcing you to accept my views. You are 100% entitled to your own opinion, and that's great, if you believe in something, hold on to it if you think it's right and I couldn't make a point, I remain unaffected in the end. I don't say those things because I like to mock people or make them feel 'inferior' or bad, I'm saying those things because that's what's important, and that's what people love to neglect. I said there MIGHT be mental illness.

 

You just sound like someone who got angered by my post, and with all the due respect I didn't mean to make anyone angry, and that might be affecting your views. I don't mean to brag, really, I don't, but as I said, I've had years of experiences tulpamancing... Understanding what a tulpa is, getting a straight, good in layman's terms definition for people who may be wondering, an explanation if we may... How? Why? How is it possible to make a tulpa like that? Do tulpas exist? Are they fragments of our being? Our imagination? Are they truly autonomous? I've asked myself those exact questions, and had conversations that extended over days with my own tulpa regarding her own existence, at many times I made the implication she might not exist, but I was convinced of otherwise. I deduced many things, among those things I deduced that tulpamancy from an early age, having people show up in front of you, or voices in your head comes off like a disorder, please understand that the point of me telling this to people reading this thread is not having satisfaction from superiority, as if that was actually a thing, but the point is letting you know about what it may be. There's no nice way to put it, I didn't put it in an offensive way in any context either.

 

I sound like I know what creativity and imagination entail in tulpamancy. I don't sound like I'm going to refuse other views, or completely deny anything else, I don't come off as someone who's 100% convinced of his own views, if someone acts knowledgeable it does not imply being arrogant or pretentious. Please, understand that this is the internet, people aren't here with a hot mug of coffee, and if something arouses suspicions, I will tell you what it is in an impartial way (which is the most apt way to provide advice/feedback) because your health matters.

 

Okay. You know next to nothing about tulpas, and you're telling the guy who spent years researching into tulpamancy, tulpa origins, how they function, the guy who always discusses with his tulpa on how real and unreal tulpas may be, how he knows nothing of nothing. That's not very cool.

 

I didn't write that other post with any bias towards people who have tulpas since youth, or had that, or might confuse the term 'imaginary friend' with 'autonomous sentient being in my head that came out of nowhere'.

 

My post was just a showcase of how.... the mind functions with creativity, imagination and belief overall. Nothing to get worked up over, dude... Those are my views. You are 100% welcome to discuss those with me, I'll welcome that as an opportunity to educate myself and correct any misconceptions from my own side, to become more knowledgeable, and you might have better views than mine, who knows?

[Guest Anonymous]

@RaveCrazedDave

 

OMG! You haven't read much of my stuff yet maybe? I am everything you need if you want egotistical, blunt, annoyingly pretentious, contrary, opinionated, and authoritative. Like with everyone else on the forum, my personal testimonial claims are subjective and I offer no physical or empirical evidence to back them up. My hypothesis are based very loosely on psychology in which I have absolutely no formal training or education. I don't think I would give a flying flip about what you think about how I write though, but that's just me.

[RaveCrazedDave]

First of all, let me state that again, this is not about being offended. I'm not saying you offended or meant to offend anyone. I'm really sorry if I came across as a bit upset in my latest post, but it was NOT because you offended or tried to offend anyone.

 

Misinformation? Have you bothered to go through how your mind functions? How well you can produce hallucinations with enough practice, self-induced ones I mean, have you seen what a tulpa is capable of doing to your mind, your mood, your emotions, your thoughts? After years of being into this, I can say one thing; Belief plays a very large role. If you believe in tulpamancy, and of course put in mindpower into forcing, then you will get results. I didn't mean to make it pass off as just make-believe, believing and having faith in things is an essential part but it's not the whole work.

 

I did not say any of those things were wrong. Again, I'm not attacking you personally. Have I bothered to go through how my mind functions? Do you think I was born yesterday? Again, this paragraph to me sounds really pretentious, like you know something that the rest of us really does not know. The second part of the paragraph is a good example of something that actually has backing. I may not know much about tulpas, but I have read at least a bit about them, and in reports and guides belief does seem to be an important factor, I never said it wasn't.

 

I don't think anyone saw the first part of your post as ofenssive, and I wasn't implying that. All I was saying, is that what you said had very little backing and that you did say it very matter of factly, almost like you were sure this person had a problem. And yeah, of course there are problems related with personalities in your head, but this isn't really relevant. If you were a doctor, and if someone came into your office with a cough, would you tell them "hey, it's just a chance, but you may have aids!" I don't think you would. I guess what I'm trying to say here is: first of all, this is not something new to anyone. The fact that we all may be coo coo bananas is not a new concept (or at least it shouldn't be) for us. And secondly, again, if you're going to make such claims, please at least give the person you're trying to help some more information, because that was absolutelly nothing. I guess the reason why I'm picking so much on this whole "you might be crazy," thing is because I wouldn't be surprised if it really worried people (especially people who are new to things like these, and especially when what you say applies to their case so closely), for no real legit reason. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you should back those claims with a little more than just your own experience, since the people who you're talking to will probably want to know more if it is an actual thing.

 

 

And I guess it goes a bit deeper then. Why do you say a tulpa is a mental illness (AKA something in your mind that is not healthy)? What even constitutes a mental illness? Many say that a mental illness is something that impairs you in your day to day life, but there are many reports all over this site that say that tulpas actually help people in their day to day lives. Is there another definition I'm missing? I mean, it's a pretty philosophical, subjective and circumstantial subject, I realize that, and I could see how a tulpa would give you hardships in some cases (not by it's own merit, mind you), but that's not any different from anything else you might believe but are not able to prove. For instance, is being introverted a mental illness? Is being charitable a mental illness? Is being selfless a mental illness? All these things have negative conotations, and many may lead to a shorter life because of a number of factors.

 

Now that I think about it, I guess it's something that I never really agreed with, the fact that the people here keep trying to look at this as possibly a mental illness. There's no point in that, and it is a really meaningless concept in this case. If we look at how the concept of a mental illness is commonly taken in your day to day life, people seem to associate mental illness to the definition: "something in your mind that impairs your ability to communicate or preserve yourself in most circumstances," and I don't see that at all with people and tulpas. I just simply, looking through many guides and many claims of people being happy and perfectly adjusted, do not see this at all. And sure, there may be many cases of people who's life was ruined because of this, so much so that they didn't even come here to tell us all that the end is nigh, but really?

 

Even if I try to think of a circumstance where a tulpa would be harmful just by it's own merit I genuinely cannot. So yeah, baseless and moot.

 

And lets go through this the other way: Lets say that what you're really saying is not that tulpas are a mental illness, but that a mental illness might be responssible for those tulpas. Then it becomes a bit like the whole "cough -> aids" thing. In no way did the OP state that they had not created the tulpas, so what was your basis for saying what you said? What did you assume that lead to the conclusion that what you were saying might've been relevant? I mean, we all know children have active imaginations, so is that really a big leap of faith to you that the OP might've created these beings and he just never thought much about it? Come on man... there really was no reason for that. "I was just stating what might be possible." So again, when you go to the doctor with a cough, your doctor just prints you a list of diseases you might have right away, and tells you "these are the diseases that might be causing that, and Oh boyo, some of those are baaaaad news blues brah. Anyway, I hope that doesn't make you nervous or tricks you into getting worst than you really are! That placebo can really be a little rascal huh?" And this is what I'm getting at. You had NO REASON, to say that really. I do understand that maybe you just went on on a tangent, and just said that because you felt like it, but dude, read it again. You really made it sound like a big deal, at least to me.

 

 

Please, please, please. Don't tell me that my paragraphs are pretentious. Nobody is trying to be on a high horse on a forum where we discuss imaginary friends, please... I would like it if you limited putting words in my mouth to a minimum. I stated that I did not mean any offense, and was just presenting facts as they may be. People always, ALWAYS take things personally and think that others are out to get them... why is that? Why must you feel so much disgust and offense at the sight of someone telling you something you don't like but might be true? Is it self-entitlement from their part? Nobody is forcing you to accept my views at all. I haven't compared anyone to myself or put myself on higher grounds of 'sanity' (lol), so please, please, don't tell me I'm acting pretentious or arrogant.

 

I really do think this whole post is both pretentious and a bit hypocritical as well. Your third sentence means absolutely nothing, by the way. Secondly, you do not need to put words on someone's mouth to say they sound pretentious. Then you yourself put words in MY mouth by saying that I think others are out to get me, and that I feel disgust and offense at what you said, AND that I don't like what you said, or that it disturbs me. All this when at my last post I stated SPECIFICALLY, that I wasn't really attacking you personally, I was attacking your posts for what I saw as the good of the OP. I also did never state that I had to accept your views. That is not what arguing about something is about. You should really be able to contest a view without being told something like "you don't need to believe it." If you preach it you're getting it out there, and then it's not only your view, but potentially someone else's as well. I didn't say you are arrogant per se, I said you spoke matter-of-factly. I should've made a little bit more efford to really hit home that this was my interpretation of your post. I guess the "I might be wrong," at the end wasn't really enough. I appologise for that.

 

Okay. You know next to nothing about tulpas, and you're telling the guy who spent years researching into tulpamancy, tulpa origins, how they function, the guy who always discusses with his tulpa on how real and unreal tulpas may be, how he knows nothing of nothing. That's not very cool.

 

I believe this to be a very loose form of apealling to authority (and I don't exactly know what that falacy is called). Experience does not give anyone the right to claim something without backing it up in some way. And I more attacked the way you spoke of mental illness, and your anedoctal evidence, and not really the way you portraid tulpas in any way. I tried my best not to talk out of my ass (I might have failed spectacularly, three cheers for the mount stupid everyone). An example of something that can be backed is the belief aspect. How can it be backed? By the countless claims that state it is important. And THAT right there is real science being done. THAT is what really pushes this idea forward. Science is really more about application than about proof, because we fundamentally do not know anything.

 

Again, I might be totally wrong. I realize that I'm being a bit of a Bitchy Berta about this, I felt really strongly about that first post of yours, it really triggered me man. If you want I'll shut up now. I feel I've wrecked the thread enough and I apologize I guess.

 

 

@Mistgod

Yes, but you know all those things about what you write. And lets be honest, would you really worry someone new by jumping on their first "HOW DO I TULPA!" Thread and saying something like "BEWARE MORTAL, FOR THERE BE DRAGONS DOWN THIS ROAD, AND THE HAND OF THE DEVIL MIGHT BE AT WORK! OOOOoooOOOooOOoooo." It's the worrying aspect that got me.

[Guest Anonymous]

This is a forum that concerns itself with discussion of imaginary friends. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING in tulpamancy has any basis... you cannot prove tulpas are real, you cannot prove that your tulpa is real to anyone, you cannot prove tulpas are anything but a delusion. All of what guides, reports are about is mere speculation, theorizing without any practical approach to the explanation as to HOW tulpas even exist. A lot of people call us out on being looneys, or just people who feel too lonely by themselves, and make imaginary friends, and while the neural networks theory is a valid and logical one, there is no way to prove tulpas are 'real', or no way so far up. You seem to fail to realize that all the guides, everything this site has is speculation, this isn't like LD with the sleep phases, REM and whatnot, there is no real scientific basis, all this phenomenon is about is speculation.

 

I'll be blunt, then. I, as a person, take absolutely no concern, and give absolutely no care to how you may feel about what I say. I don't care if you think I came off as arrogant or 'pretentious', this is literally, and with no offense meant, bullshit you're shoving in my mouth. You're telling me I come off as pretentious when there a) was no intention for me to come off as such, something you mentioned later on in your post as well b) no need because I'm no psychologist nor did I act like one and c) completely out of context. When I am in a discussion I stick to the topic and put my emotions and how bad I'd have been hurt (due to my own convictions, at that) aside, and discuss the topic, which isn't what you're doing at all.

 

Let me be very clear; You CANNOT back your claims on this site. You just can't. Alright. I can go ahead and tell you anything, anything about the experiments I've done on my brain, my tulpa (experiments she agreed to take part in and had a large effect over senses of 'realism'), you can't possibly verify I am saying the truth. We could all be roleplaying for all you know. Mistgod once said that this site is pseudo-science, and I wholeheartedly agree with his point of view.

 

But every single thing in tulpamancy is in direct and complete relation with your own experimentation with the phenomenon, I can't know what this guy or that other guy has been through, I can't rule things out for people in general, except if what I speak of is something very widespread among people/tulpamancers/tulpas overall, which is why I spoke of belief and whatnot as such an important step.

 

I didn't say a tulpa is a mental illness. I recommend reading my posts with more care and putting your emotions aside, please. I said that having tulpas since childhood, while NOT actually creating them consciously MIGHT indicate to mental illness. MIGHT, MIGHT, MIGHT. Not for sure, all of what is said here is hypothetical for crying outloud, where do you think you are? And if you think you're talking to people who can back up what they say, nobody can. People like Mistgod (and my respect goes to him, to its full of extent) have been called attention-whores and roleplayers with sexual interests. It's not 'just my own experience'. With due respect, what do you know of how people think when in relation with tulpamancy? You know close to nothing and yet you act in such a way with me, isn't that YOU being pretentious?

 

Again, please learn to read my posts. I said that having voices in your head since youth, during youth, voices that are completely sentient and autonomous MIGHT INDICATE TO MENTAL ILLNESS. Had you read my posts, the ones you dislike so much, you'd know that I love my tulpa to death and that she's all that matters to me in this world, to put it this way.

 

Your point is built on a lack of coherence from your part. I never said tulpas are harmful to begin with, some can be, a lot of tulpas do encourage negative behaviors, and a lot of tulpas encourage positive ones, no comment on that but that has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY POINT.

 

Again, I reaaaaaaally don't care about what you think. With due respect once again you're just some guy who knows close to nothing about tulpamancy telling me that I hypocritial and pretentious. I told you 3 times I didn't mean to be pretentious, but dude, you can't rule out how I behave or how I am as a person. If I tell you something ABOUT MYSELF, you should stop distorting reality to your benefit and actually listen to me. I really don't care about your definitions of arrogance as they're most likely erroneous in this specific context. Think what you want, but please don't go around offending people needlessly just because YOU felt offended by what I had to say, I said 4 times now that I did NOT mean to be pretentious or offensive at all. This is purely misinterpretation coming from your part, and it is something I have been working on making more clear and coherent overall.

 

Dear lord... Again, and again, and again. Tulpamancy can NOT be backed up with anything other than 'experiments', personal progress reports, unusual things happening with tulpas and whatnot. Don't you understand that people don't care enough about the actual scientific side enough to invest money and resources, or might have enough of an interest, but don't have the funds to do so? Since you seem so fierce about being more educated than me (even though I've been on literally all tulpamancy sites, boards, chat networks I could find since 2011...), you should have noticed that people cannot prove tulpas are a thing. For all you know I could say that people preten to have pony imaginary friends (no offense to bronies, I have nothing wrong against bronies overall, but a lot of people seem to have pony tulpas which is why I used that example), and no matter what people say, they couldn't demonstrate I'm wrong, ever. People can't demonstrate shit, is my point.

 

And I think that experience over the course of years matters more than the point of view of the guy who really knows nothing, and has seen nothing of what has been seen in the course of those years (not that it's anything much, but it's a lot of information that you can find across the internet, and throughout interaction with said tulpas and hosts, none of it is meant in a pretentious/arrogant way). Since you seem to disagree with me, alright, cool, man, really, that's your opinion and I fully respect it. But please don't put words in my mouth and then try to explain to me why you put those words in my mouth, just because you think 'this' or 'that' doesn't mean I actually did it.

 

And last but not least, please, don't bother trying to offend me with that line to Mistgod. It's quite offensive and unneeded of you, and if you're trying to be a 'Bitch Berta', I'll tell you straight ahead that you're only being really annoying needlessly.

 

"Well, you got him going...!"

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Oh, and uh, I also know all these things about what I write. It just comes off like you have a bias against me to begin with. Whatever, dude, take it easy.

[Guest Anonymous]

I think we have departed the original intent of this thread, so I wanted to address some things that came up in the discussion here: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-melian-s-musing-s-ii-thoughtform-created-from-emotional-disturbance?pid=135499#pid135499

[RaveCrazedDave]

Tulpas are not anything that's mentally sane, this is something to keep in mind, none of it is truly healthy,

 

This is my only answer to you stating that you said tulpas were not a mental illness or unhealthy in any way.

 

Yes, claims can be backed just like they can in any other science. Again, science is not about proof, it's about making predictions, and you can back your theories with tests. In this case, the tests are the people that have and deal with tulpas. And you can say, "you cannot tell for sure the pages on the progress forums are real or just people pretending," and that is absolutelly right, but that doesn't mean what is done with forcing and belief isn't science. It is backed by something, even if it isn't empirical evidence because we cannot read our brains very well yet, it is still anedoctal evidence that we get with some difficulty from people like you and Mistgod, who we think are showing us their honest experiences. This is an actual efford to look at statistics and create a theory. "Forcing will help develop your tulpa," "Belief will help your tulpa become independent," things like these are science, and it's not because they can't be proven that they are not science. Even if you had a "sometimes," here and there, it is still the attempt to make a prediction from statistics. And I know this is debatable, but for years (and still a bit now-a-days), psychology was a science based on non-empirical evidence, and some people thought it wasn't really science, and I was one of them, but then I really thought about it, and realized that that science did actually help solve problems, and I feel that really is the essence of science in a way: to solve problems using knowledge. I don't know, maybe I'm talking out of my ass.

 

A scientific theory cannot be proven, it can only be disproven. People sometimes scratch their head when they hear things like the theory of evolution and wonder why it is called a "theory". And I think this is a concept that shouldn't be as alien as it is. And if you think these little tid bits of non-empirical science are not useful, conssider gravity, which is a big example of a theory based on empirical evidence that is failling at explaining our universe, but that still allows us to make significant predictions and is useful to us.

 

Edit: Jesus, I worded the above post terribly. I think it's a bit better.

 

But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

 

And another thing I want to add is that I think I read your posts very very carefully. I think I read all of your posts at least three times before beginning to write my repplies, and I was reading them as I wrote my own repplies, to make sure I was kept in check. If I missinterpreted something it's because I'm dumb, and not because I didn't read it.

 

And god damnit, I did not want to offend you with the line for Mistgod, why would you even think that? I was just defending why I wrote my original post.

 

Just know that I wrote my original post to help the OP. My intentions were never bad. Sorry for the mess.

[Luminesce]

Aaaaaaa... Just read every textwall in this thread to try and gauge the situation, but the last few didn't really go anywhere. So let's see.

 

At the very forefront of this debate, I agree that some of Anderson's posts bother me a bit. Especially his posts on killing tulpas, not even because of the stigma surrounding that but because of the negativity he suggests. I wholeheartedly disagree with the entire thing because whether or not that even works negativity and malice are inherently bad, especially for someone already having problems.

 

But that's about it, really. I addressed any problems I had with him in my earlier post. He's a bit forceful with his experience combined with it being fairly negative sometimes, and that can be a poor influence. See, I said everything that needed to be said in like one sentence. Should I cover some of the points you guys argued too, though?

 

Alright, evidence. The reason he brought up "backing", Anderson, is that what you said seemed unnecessarily negative in your initial response (as I commented on in my first post), and you said it rather matter-of-factly. Whether we have to believe you or not is irrelevant as it's advice you're giving to a newcomer, so it's pretty much implied they should take it to heart, or will regardless. I get what your point was, but you did it a little frighteningly I guess, since it was primarily what Dave took issue with. Seriously, all of those textwalls were spurred from the mental illness comment, sheesh.

 

Mental illness. While it may seem to always be lurking around the corner when dealing with tulpas as a mental and subjective phenomenon, it's not inherent. Mental illness is a perceived malfunction of your brain impairing your ability to function in society or causing you prolonged stress. Tulpamancy is not inherently a mental illness, nor is mental illness really that common among tulpamancers. Where it is, as with depression and autism, the effects of tulpas are nearly entirely positive or neutral. We know that because we've asked time and time again, and the answers we always get is that tulpas have improved their host's lives greatly and they'd be hard pressed to live without them, or at least very sad. Consensus seems to be that tulpas at least count as "a very best friend", and of course to some they're practically a significant other.

 

True mental illness, things like schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder, are not entirely unheard of here. No, the OP did not write anything that implied they had a real mental illness. But they do pop up here from time to time. Tulpas can negatively or positively impact those with serious mental illness, depending on the person (NOT the disorder they have). Often times they still say their tulpa helps them cope with their struggles, although they do run into more troubles with things such as identity, invasive thoughts, and otherwise. But they can be negative in that tulpamancy naturally makes you give more credit and legitimacy to your thoughts and mind manifestations. That's why I tell people they should only not make a tulpa if they "Have trouble distinguishing reality from the imagined." Just like how you are very tempted right now to imagine slapping someone dear to you in the face, invasive and unwanted thoughts are a problem for them too, but they've shown they are much less prepared to deal with them. They have trouble dismissing those thoughts, often times taking them completely seriously. And that's technically a danger of tulpamancy to them, a way having a tulpa could open them up to more negative experiences, and that's why we discourage it.

 

But that's talking about schizophrenia and other serious mental illness. It's incredibly uncommon, and completely separate from ones like depression, which inversely are almost always improved by having a tulpa. Since tulpamancy is so subjective, it could be dangerous to constantly warn people they may be insane, because chances are they probably aren't but are now worried they are. Healthy skepticism is always very, very good to have, but doubts about your sanity are not so much.

 

Pretentiousness? I don't know, have you ever met Sands? Sometimes you just gotta get used to how people present themselves. You might influence their actions to be different, but I seriously doubt you're going to change innate personality traits through some text on a forum. Though Dave did say he wrote his post to help the OP, meaning he was more worried about the authority Anderson presented his information with when it was personal to him and not entirely in agreeance with the norms. Shouldn't have fallen into the textwall arguments though, those never get anywhere. Someone always ends up ragequitting in the end. Anyways, I won't involve myself with matters of disliking someone's personality unless it becomes a serious problem, such as with Mistgod in the past. (Hey Mistgod, still reading this? Good on you, you are very dedicated to reading everyone's textwalls.)

 

Uh, it's taken me so long to write this I've forgotten anything else there was to talk about. Take it easy you guys.

[Stevie]

Even if you had a "sometimes," here and there, it is still the attempt to make a prediction from statistics. And I know this is debatable, but for years (and still a bit now-a-days), psychology was a science based on non-empirical evidence, and some people thought it wasn't really science, and I was one of them, but then I really thought about it, and realized that that science did actually help solve problems, and I feel that really is the essence of science in a way: to solve problems using knowledge.

 

Psychology itself is a "soft science", meaning that most of what's collected in anything related to it doesn't have much objectivity. I think it does people good to remember that tulpas, as a whole, are part of something that can't really be considered a hard, natural science. Just because predictions are formed and controlled experiments are carried out doesn't mean that the field itself is iron-clad.

 

So yeah, tulpas aren't provable and aren't backed by hard science and numbers, or rigid data collection, but neither is anything else in psychology.

 

Just wanted to throw that out there.

[Guest Anonymous]

What tests? Ones you do in the privacy and intimacy of your own mind?

 

And making someone in your head is nothing normal/sane. I said many times it's NOT insanity, but please do your research and go out there and ask people if they also think that making a tulpa is something completely normal. Making someone, a real person, not a concept you keep in a wonderland and keep it shut down 3/4 of the time, is pretty hard, dude. I've experienced shit tons of emotions, distresses, existential questions that one person should have, in my own mind, ones that weren't mine to begin with.

 

I addressed every single point of yours, I'd like it if you could also do the same for me with all the due respect at hand.

 

I think that you are wrong, I'm going to have to agree with Stevie here because there's nothing really scientific about any of this once you come to think of it. All of what we have are theories made by people with no real knowledge by the book (aside from Pleeb, heh).

 

Tuplamancing is NOT a science. You're comparing stuff like physics, mathematics, stuff you can back up with numbers, rationalization that's actually present in our world, the laws of physics apply to the universe ina logical way, or at least, stuff that makes sense to our human ways of reasoning. I understand comparing the concept of tulpamancy to OTHER concepts in psychology, but even then, psychologists and philosophers have studied those in-depth... this is nothing compared to the studies they have invested so much time and efforts in.

 

I said that making a person in your head is not healthy, not completely unhealthy and brain-damaging and whatnot. It's just not mentally healthy, I could tell you why but I think that if I were to write down all of the 'negative' sides of tulpamancy, one way it would go beyond a page, and the other way most stuff wouldn't apply to a few folks because a lot of folks don't actually care that much about their tulpas and shove them in a wonderland and only really interact when they feel like it, not at all times (and if we are to consider tulpas as REAL PERSONS, not figments of imagination, might as well go all the way, right?)

 

I meant absolutely no offense at all to your person, or anyone's person. I didn't mean to act condescending or pretentious, and solemnly apologize.

 

Lumi, that's mostly my tulpa going around telling people how to kill tulpas. Sorry if this is a bit blunt, but once you get someone whose sole existence is to hurt you and hurt the ones you care for the most... "that's the outcome. You develop tendencies to disregard human life... no, not human life. I actually like intelligent people. But you tend to disregard the value of sentient life that exists to hurt you. I recall we advised 2 people on how to kill a tulpa, the " " are me, the 'little lady', Andy's little lady. 2 people. The first had a tulpa that kept on torturing them on and on and on, the second was... I don't know, it sounded like they wanted to know how they wanted to get rid of a tulpa. We present information as it is, I can't really emphatize with people well so I'm sorry if it caused any bother, I really didn't mean to annoy or disturb, but I've been there. I've been in those shoes, at some point there were tulpas... tulpas? Thoughtforms, let's say, that did their best to torture me and try to take me away from the one I care for the most. I did what I had to do."

 

Back to our point, though, tulpas are not science, so I wouldn't go around comparing them. But my main point is that; Tulpas aren't mental illness, they can be harmful as they can be totes helpful, they can encourage good, bad behaviors all the same. The point I had in mind was that if you have voices in your head as a child, or a completely sentient/autonomous... being in your head is dangerous.

 

I've seen tulpas harm, and do a lot of good too. My tulpa literally had altered the way my brain functioned at some point, and we... had to use a servitor to fix that, long story. We can make predictions, I made predictions, whether you believe my predictions or not is 100% up to you, dude, I'm not butthurt or mad that someone doesn't like my views, but again, as I said, I meant no pretension or arrogance in my posts.

 

I can assure you this is going absolutely nowhere. IF you feel like talking about things a bit more, feel free to shoot me a PM, but it won't really go anywhere at this point, Lumi is right, heh. And Lumi, you think schizophrenia and other mental illnesses are uncommon? You'd be surprised.