How long can a tulpa be dead for?

[AracnidsGrip/Rick]

In my experience, tulpae die as we die. My actually dead tulpae, Mark, Tyrion, Stan, Ed, Dross and Gamzee have been dead since their time came, and no one has ever returned. And I don't blame them. They were all murdered, and my tulpae believe in the Abstraction (Heaven or Hell to tulpae) and if they're in heaven I don't blame them for not coming back. Only one came back once, but he was an evil tulpae; Anger. I killed him by protecting Fef, and weeks later he returned and finished corrupting Tyrion, then Miranda and Vris killed him again.

~L. ♠️

[IBreakGames]

There are a lot of 'what ifs' in that paragraph. I don't think you could call it research. Maybe investigation?

 

DID is different from tulpamancy in a lot of ways. For one, it's a mental illness, and besides the multiplicity, it can't really be compared. Also, the host does not create the alters consciously- they develop on their own as a result of trauma, therefore they are not reliant on the host for attention. Alters are not the same things as tulpas; the only similarities are their shared status as people and as headmates/system members.

 

Bad comparison, but I see your point. There are first-hand accounts from tulpas about what it felt like to be forgotten about or dissipated, though, and I think those are a great primary source of information. I believe there's a thread about it in the research forum?

 

Yeah, investigation is probably a better term. The research has just been on what the imagination is. I know it isn't he best comparison, but I feel like it's the only hard evidence we have of a separate consciousness existing within the mind. Unless there's something I don't know about! I'm always open to new information!

[Guest Anonymous]

I believe that there are two types of 'deaths' for a tulpa. The first type of deaths is when you do something symbolic, as in, shoot, slice, I don't know what type of things people do in their wonderlands, but it is a death you imagine. I believe that a tulpa can only really die if it wants to die truly, and if nothing holds it back. The second type of death is when you ignore your tulpa and dismiss the fact it is any real, when doubt takes over, when you stop believing in your tulpa, when you start to believe that it was you all along.

 

No offense, but that title made me laugh. Tulpas are like persons, once one dies, it's gone. Tulpas aren't only ideas, or shit you can only access in wonderlands, they have feels to them, they have their own emotions, perhaps some of them are limited at some instances in time, but take it from me: Killing a tulpa, as in, fully erasing their existence if you regard them as any more than imaginary friends, is a LOT of work. Of course, you will always have a memory of them, and you will have things called intrusive thoughts that a lot of people misinterpret as a tulpa's response, but the thing that thought will be gone.

 

We don't know much so far to say something decisive about a tulpa regarding the brain. But if you ever regard a tulpa as its own thing, with its sense of self and whatnot... IF you regard them as complex beings that do feed off attention... you cannot 'kill' a tulpa except if you regard it as mental illness. It's funny, at some point, my tulpa said 'You're sick, you're just fucking sick, get rid of me already.', yet we're still there, after all those attempts at fulfilling this death wish of hers... Take it from the person who tried to kill his tulpa, there just isn't a single way. Symbolism doesn't work on a well made tulpa, even if you visualize brain bits being blown over, I don't know, something that has such a large basis in your mind won't just' die'. Symbolism will only take you so far. There is a very simple way to make a tulpa stop wanting to exist, it's torture. Torture on you, torture on them.

 

'Killing' a tulpa is like killing a part of your being. We're not even speaking of how immoral it would be, try to ignore the morality card on this, but even at this point, even if you want to get rid of a tulpa like that, hell, even if your tulpa does try to 'stop' existing ("which is a foolish decision"), it won't work. Something that is alive like that in your mind is VERY HARD to get rid of. We're speaking of actual tulpas. AS someone who has been into tulpamancy for years already, there is a certain point of... no return, literally. Don't regard it as anything cool. If you want to kill a tulpa because shit happens between you and them, I think that trying to 'kill' it would demonstrate things quite well if it actually is sentient and autonomous.

[warriortiltheend]

Interesting points, Anderson!

 

(Just so I make it clear again, I did not ask this question for myself- I just wanted to hear opinions of the community.)

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Yeah, investigation is probably a better term. The research has just been on what the imagination is. I know it isn't he best comparison, but I feel like it's the only hard evidence we have of a separate consciousness existing within the mind. Unless there's something I don't know about! I'm always open to new information!

Yeah, DID is still pretty unresearched in itself, which is a real bummer.

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Gamzee

Another Gamzee tulpa? :D

 

i have one too aha

[AracnidsGrip/Rick]

Yup. He was called Gamzee too. He looked exactly like the Gamzee from Homestuck, just that he has 15 trained raptors to his service. Just that mine's dead as Dillinger. :(

~L. ♠️

[warriortiltheend]

Yup. He was called Gamzee too. He looked exactly like the Gamzee from Homestuck, just that he has 15 trained raptors to his service. Just that mine's dead as Dillinger. :(

~L. ♠️

'Same' to the first two things. Regrettably, mine does not have 15 trained raptors, and thankfully, he is not dead.

[FadingSpectrum]

Troy: If you kill something, it's dead. Obvious.

If all you do is merely send something away from the front of you mind, and it later revives, perhaps that is something different and more of "banishment". Or, simply intrusive thoughts.

Personally, I like being alive.

[Guest Anonymous]

Can you forget how to ride a bike? No.

 

Making a tulpa is a lot like learning to ride a bike. In your head. And the bike sometimes calls you an asshole.

[warriortiltheend]

Can you forget how to ride a bike? No.

 

Making a tulpa is a lot like learning to ride a bike. In your head. And the bike sometimes calls you an asshole.

This is literally the best reply to anything I have posted ever.

[Linkzelda]

I don’t think it’s a matter of the time they can be dead for, but rather the totality of hypothetical models in context of treating them as sentient the person utilized morally, ethically, and such that become so complex and burned into their psyche that having to redefine all of that again would be a self-referential regurgitation. In my opinion, I haven’t seen any justifications that would be a sound anomaly to the fact that there’s a clear explanatory gap on proving whether or not mental events can initiate physical events vs. vice versa.

 

In other words, the actual experience of a tulpa dissipating somehow truly initiating a physical pain in one’s brain after such an enduring journey of a self-fulfilling prophecy of treating them as sentient. At best, it may be a psychosomatic repercussion, or potent enough for someone to feel a sense of helplessness that leads to other transgressions, but it doesn’t prove that the mental event caused physical pain. If this were the case for dream characters that I yearned for on a nightly basis in my dreams for learning, I would’ve screamed and begged for a lobotomy by now.

 

However, being agnostic towards solving the explanatory gap of mental events initiating physical events, and not the other way around doesn’t mean one is inherently apathetic towards the existence of tulpas in their heads. It’s just a matter of understanding what can be taken in context of this spatio-temporal reality, and what goes on in your brain.