How much is meditation important in tulpamancy?

[Pioneer11]

I’ve been researching the definition of “forcing”. It’s always been an unclear activity to me.

 

I’ve had my headmate for more than twenty years and we always interacted. I normally visualize him with me during various activities or when I’m sitting at the PC; and that’s how we talk and go through life. I suppose this is what could be called forcing, both active and passive. Yet, after finding this forum, for a lot of time I was undecided if he was a Tulpa or not. I was already suspecting that he may be more than a simple game, however he is still rather far from what a fully automated Tulpa should be. By the latter I intend: a Tulpa who has his own voice and that can talk and manifest itself without the Host willing it. Tulpas who are visually and vocally imposed and that are more like “ghosts” rather than simple imaginary friends. But I suppose that the majority of the users here haven’t imposed theirs either, so I might be wrong on this.

 

Making an imposed Tulpa is a line difficult to cross. First I have yet to determine if mine is already completed in my mind, and what lacks is the skill to hallucinate it. Was my concentrating on him every day for twenty years not enough? Rather, do I have to work now on my capacity to hallucinate him? He might be already fully autonomous, as he appears to be in lucid dreams, and is my mind who is not equipped to actually engage him. But it could also be the opposite: a Tulpa can only be different from an imaginary friend if it is imposed; in other words, Tulpas who have not achieved imposition are still not completely sentient and autonomous.

 

The solution for getting rid of this doubt is to manage to do at least vocal imposition. I want an answer from him, I want to be certain I'm not puppetting him. I asked myself many times just how to achieve imposition and I’ve been looking for more advanced ways of forcing. Of course meditation is at the top of the list.

 

Do experienced tulpamancers meditate? Or is concentration alone enough for you to create a true Tulpa? (In that case I might just suck, but let’s ignore this.)

 

During what is called "deep meditation" the subconscious is less restrained by the ego, and sounds and images can spontaneously appear in our mind’s eye. I want to achieve a level in which I can “extract” him from the deeper substrate of my mind and bring him into my waking consciousness.

 

I’m not really an expert on yoga. Usually I sit in a comfortable position, put on some binaural beats and clear my mind. This is something I can attain easily. Is the after which becomes nebulous. After becoming “aware of yourself”, free of intrusive thoughts, what is the next step? I see two alternatives: keep concentrating on being "there", fully mindful, and start imagining him. The other one is to let go completely and fall even deeper into a trance, almost asleep, and that would open up my subconscious. This one however is truly difficult for me.

 

For now I’m stuck and I don’t know what to do.

 

I also discussed on this forum another peculiar thing that happens after visualizing him while meditating: there’s a burst of energy and warmth that envelopes me completely. It’s similar to kundalini’s but not quite. I can feel his presence and his emotions almost as if they are molding themselves onto my being. After the session is concluded I feel very animated and strong. But I wonder, is it him that passes his energy to me, or I am giving him mine to sustain his form?

 

All in all, forcing using meditation is something that prompted a lot of thinking.

 

Is there anyone who practice meditation during forcing? Can you describe your experience? What do you advise for this kind of forcing? What are the steps to follow?

 

Feel free to answer any question you wish, or to pose one.

[FadingSpectrum]

Fade: I'm not much of an expert in meditation itself, and I think I'll leave most of your questions to be answered by someone smarter than me. I do have a little input on our experience with meditation itself.

When I've tried to force with meditation in the past, one of two things usually happened;

A. The guys got bored to death with it (and with me doing nothing).

B. I fall asleep.

I also have a yoga class, but that doesn't make great forcing for us either. Either I'm too distracted by the movements to talk with them, or we're all bored.

 

Forcing methods will vary from system to system. For our system, it's normal for me to reflexively "force" all the time as we go about life, just talking to them and they talking to me. Not everyone else can or does use constant sustained forcing as a method. Likewise, meditation is also optional.

 

So I suppose my real answer is that, like any other method, it's as important as you want it to be in developing a tulpa.

[NoneFromHell]

I would say meditation isn't necesary, but surely beneficial when done right. From what i read here you got a great connection to your tulpa, i wouldn't say imposition defines a tulpa at all, but rather acts as an great evidence for the nature of the tulpa, simply because it is hard to fake.

 

For me the whole meditation process regarding Alice doesn't work out for us so well (or is extensive at all). We get to a certain point of "feeling the other presence" and that's it, because we don't really know what else to get out of it. So we go for short duty sessions. In my opinion you could use both ways of meditation you described, just for different reasons. If you keep concentrating on being there and start imagining him it is surely useful for his development, you could start improving him...everything you want to help him with. In that case you would be the one sending your signals for him to benefit.

 

If you go for the method of opening up your subconscious, you can try to get a better feeling of him. You would be in the passive role, letting him pointing the directions. I think this would probably be a great startpoint for possession, or maybe even imposition, i don't know.

 

In case of Alice, she is the one aiming for imposition, and i've no idea how she really does that. Her touch imposition was developed from the beginning, and it appears that she tries to archive vocal imposition aswell, without me doing anything about it (even though she is struggling with regular vocality, which I want to improve a lot more). Beside your ideas of deep meditation i've no idea how i could help her with something like that, though. But knowing me, i would probably just get in her way (like i do with her vocality).

 

A "true tulpa" is, if anyhow, definied through being autonomous. It doesn't matter if that is realized through vocality, imposition or possession. It is about which level you could accept as proof of it.

[Raetin]

In my humble opinion, I think meditation would be the best way to tulpaforce. I know some people are saying your tulpa doesn't need to be imposed to be a legitimate tulpa, but I think it's a step forward. I've been at an impasse for more than a year, and I haven't been meditating lately during this time. All of my tulpas are pretty much sentient and autonomous, but I wouldn't say they're as real as I want them to be. I'm not saying they're fake, but I think that imposition will add in another layer that goes far beyond just visual and auditory satisfaction. It's the difference between talking with someone on the phone and talking with them in real life. Wonderland would be an alternative, but it's still a little lacking, especially when the ability to visualize keeps dropping from lack of exercising that skill.

 

A good example of meditation would be Amadeus' experiences. If you read the article, "Amadeus' Exodus: A Tale of Tulpa", I think you can get a good idea. That said, he went a lot farther than where I would take it.

[Aijada]

I guess i feel the opposite of Raetin in that i find imposition very unsatisfying compared to possession. Imposition can be a neat trick if you just want to amuse your host in the middle of the work day, but it didn't feel all that interesting to me compared to being able to switch into physical control and actually get real, solid access to the outside world. It's the difference between being illusionary versus being a person to me.

[Raetin]

I guess i feel the opposite of Raetin in that i find imposition very unsatisfying compared to possession. Imposition can be a neat trick if you just want to amuse your host in the middle of the work day, but it didn't feel all that interesting to me compared to being able to switch into physical control and actually get real, solid access to the outside world. It's the difference between being illusionary versus being a person to me.

 

Our views of imposition are very different, and I respect that, but it's a a lot more than being a neat trick. That's why I said it goes far beyond visual and auditory satisfaction. I can't explain it very well, but I think in terms of development, it adds a new depth that can be expanded upon.

 

Anyway, as for possession, my tulpas aren't too interested in affecting the world, but that's subjective, so I won't go deep into that... Actually, Aika does in some way, but more as working with me achieve that together. Like a collaboration in a way.

[Aijada]

Yeah it's just personal preference to me. I was genuinely interested in the outside world so pretending to be part of it just made no sense compared to actually getting involved. There are many perfectly legitimate ways to practice tulpamancy and i'm not saying you're wrong

[T-Storm]

I know for me, I have to meditate to really focus on my tulpa or else my mind just goes haywire and I can't focus on my wonderland or my tulpa for any amount of time. But, different strokes for different folks.