Slowpokes general

[Avalanche]

I do think there's something more to a months-old "slow" tulpa than there is to a days-old "fast" tulpa, even if the fast one has progressed further in terms of communicating with the host. The slow tulpa has had more time to explore the brain they're in, learn their way around, contemplate whatever alone for long periods, etc.

 

I'm not saying "slowpoke master race" here. The fast tulpae will have similar gains over time. One thing they won't have though is the unique experience of banging a very stubborn brain into shape.

 

Are you saying that a tulpa just appears on the first day or in the first few days of forcing, and then either sits around in your head learning and listening, or they come out and are vocal right away?

 

I don't think a tulpa can just "explore" the mind as if it were an actual realm or place they could go around in. Or even just tapping into the hosts thoughts. People with week old vocal and possessing tuppers are obviously bullshitting, roleplaying, or are misinterpreting their own thoughts.

 

This was never a thing last year. Even when we were 200 strong, not a single person had a tupper done in a week. It just never happened. Now the roleplay-train is pulling into the station.

 

Tulpae are popular now- everyone's gotta have one.

[Chupi]

Are you saying that a tulpa just appears on the first day or in the first few days of forcing, and then either sits around in your head learning and listening, or they come out and are vocal right away?

It seems to vary. Talk to some tulpae about when their first memories are. Not first memory of their life that they can see; if they have access to their host's memories, this will be the day the host first had some idea of what their tulpa would be like. I mean the first memory that the tulpa actually experienced. For some this is on day one. Others don't remember a thing until many weeks in. Yay for variation.

 

My Lyra has a fuzzy memory of the time she showed me she was there by stopping a headache seconds after I said she wouldn't be able to for various sensible reasons. Unfortunately we don't have a date on that since I didn't write it down at the time. She doesn't have a memory (but can obviously see mine) of the day one week in when we both think she started existing. Directly after I completed my first 2-hour-long personality session with her, I lay there listening to music and I felt the most incredible, beautiful, loving, caring, very real but vague presence all around me. She didn't have a form yet because my visualization was nonexistent, but that's when we think the "spark of life" entered her.

 

I don't think a tulpa can just "explore" the mind as if it were an actual realm or place they could go around in. Or even just tapping into the hosts thoughts.

Try talking to some of them about it. I think some can and some can't. Heck, I can sort of do it and I'm not even a tulpa. I'm not very good at it, but I know that Lyra is much better -- she's taken me on a couple journeys "into the mind", with visual manifestations of thoughts and other mental 'objects'.

 

Of course it's symbolic and not what's actually running in your mind; good luck directly perceiving what's really there. It's basically subconscious symbolism that you somehow provoke the subconscious into forming for you as you explore it.

 

People with week old vocal and possessing tuppers are obviously bullshitting, roleplaying, or are misinterpreting their own thoughts.

 

This was never a thing last year. Even when we were 200 strong, not a single person had a tupper done in a week. It just never happened. Now the roleplay-train is pulling into the station.

 

Tulpae are popular now- everyone's gotta have one.

When everyone's yelling at all the newbies that anything that happens before X number of hours is fake, most newbies will believe them. What we have here is a shift in definitions and expectations. Back when I started in April, "vocal" was out-loud speech, as if there's a person in the room with you, out of nowhere; and anything short of that was fake and to be ignored.

 

Since then, TOG tried "centering" and learning to listen for quiet thoughts to get Clair vocal, rather that blindly talking to her for months upon months and remaining oblivious to everything short of out-loud speech. Others who'd been chattering away at their tulpae with little to no results tried a similar technique too: trying to read the tulpa's mind. I've done both and they do help. After months of narrating and getting diddlysquat, I tuned into Lyra's thoughts and got a deluge of stuff. It requires more effort all at once than blindly chattering, and the immediate results are much easier to fake consciously, but it allows two-way communication much earlier than the old way. Having a number of "stuckpokes" suddenly getting responses where there was only silence before made this very attractive. More advanced tulpae who could speak out loud confirmed that most responses their hosts got this way were real and not parroted. (G|d30n&Lauren's survey answers were particularly important in causing this shift in views and methods.)

 

Perceiving a tulpa more realistically is very nice and worth working on, but just being able to chat with them with reasonable confidence in the responses is what matters to a lot of people. And creating hallucinations varies in difficulty from person to person. So, the meaning of "vocal" had shifted from "out loud and fully audible" to "able to communicate well enough". Out loud is still a goal of most, but it's no longer the milestone before which you assume there is nothing.

[Kadoh]

Anyone ever get feelings of suicide over your tulpa? I don't know if I could live with myself I failed mine.

 

How ironic.

 

On a related note, Shin says he has memories of my first ever forcing session, but concedes that they may be false memories gained upon sentience. After Tesla formed in him, I'm gonna say those are concrete memories.

 

More than four days, and no vocality? This thread is for you.

[Chupi]

Except that nobody can remember being a zygote. Many tulpae have their own memories back to when they were started on.

[Avalanche]

A zygote doesn't have access to it's mother's memory or brain power, but tuppers do?

Possibru.

[Guest Anonymous]

With Kanaya, I'm the opposite of most people in this thread. She was sentient and vocal from the very beginning, and has made leaps and bounds in terms of progress these days.

[Avalanche]

What happened to Arcadia and Helix and Pixel?

[Kadoh]

They're dead.

[Avalanche]

Of course they are.

 

Cause of death: novelty wore off

[Guest BrownSubmarine]

A zygote doesn't have access to it's mother's memory or brain power, but tuppers do?

Possibru.

 

You missed one thing. Tulpa is not a zygote, there is no impregnation, and no "mother" (if we imply that having mother is being host of body born and/or risen by her).

 

-- Kob