earthbound delorean February 13, 2016 Author February 13, 2016 You have it flipped around. I was talking about when the host is highly affectionate toward their creation. I, for example, was VERY gushy and affectionate toward my initial creation, Midori. Then to Ellenore afterwards. They both displayed signs of romantic interest due to this. ah sorry i flipped it round, i thought you were talking about tulpas not host. i never had any affectionate feelings for Leo, i saw him more as my friend and someone to protect me. I guess on his path to sentience he realized he loved me. yare yare daze Leo will sometimes be here and he uses green.
Sock February 13, 2016 February 13, 2016 You seem like you were hit off-guard, so I'll tell you this: Love is not just romance, it is not the fluttery feeling in your gut, not the blushing of cheeks, nor the burst of feelings in youth. In fact, these feelings, as nice as they are, can actually be blinding, and can serve as a hollow imitation of what love is. I love my girls, and the reason I continue my work here is because I do love them. This doesn't mean I want to marry any of them, nor does it mean I picked them out as a girlfriend. It means I want to keep them around, and am willing to work to strengthen their presence and ability so that they can remain companions through life. As far as this practice goes, I consider the usual forms of romance to actually be needless at best, and possibly harmful if it expands too far... EDIT: I feel I have to amend this post, as upon reflection, this statement was not entirely true. I have not seen many instances of tulpa/host romance, and was expanding my view of outward romance to my experiences in the community. I have seen instances of a tulpa/host relationship work, but my worry grew because of the way you post about things, and how you seem to be rather confused about it. I didn't think it would be good to support a snap decision in such a state, but I should have spent a bit more time reflecting on what I was typing, instead of just typing whatever came to mind. This was not right for me to say, and I apologize for the error. Take your time and assess the issue with some sobriety. Don't let yourself be swayed too hard one way or the other. Peace. Sock Cottonwell's Sketchbook, Journal, and Ask thread. Peace
Raetin February 13, 2016 February 13, 2016 You have it flipped around. I was talking about when the host is highly affectionate toward their creation. I, for example, was VERY gushy and affectionate toward my initial creation, Midori. Then to Ellenore afterwards. They both displayed signs of romantic interest due to this. Agh, my heart... This pretty much sums up how my relationship began with Reah. I gave her a whole lot of care and affection (in the platonic sense), and she wanted to go further with me. Really surprised me too, due to my view that "no one can really love me" during the time. The sequence of events are rather complicated, but to make it short, we ended up as lovers. I have 10 tulpas, but I'm only actively working on Reah, my first tulpa currently. Progress Report
J.Iscariot February 13, 2016 February 13, 2016 Well, there's a plain difference between love and infatuation. Love is a bonefire, infatuation is oil, or wood, or anything that fuels the bonefirel, while it can boost the fire greatly it doesn't do much on its own. Infatuation tends to be limited in time (it can even last up to 3 months, go figure), it is often the burst of over-affection. That crush you had as a kid wasn't really love, it was infatuation. That cute girl at college you had in your class wasn't really 'love' if it was only fueled by looks and appearances. With that sort of mindsets, it really struck me down as impossible for my tulpa to have anything but infatuation towards me. After all, how could I possibly verify if the being in my mind was legitimately into me, or was in that sort of relationships because it would benefit her on the long run? Time only can tell if it's love, or infatuation. I read somewhere that a lot of tulpas come out as infatuated with their hosts (yes no made up fact i legit saw that somewhere). It's normal for a host and a tulpa to be fond of each other, I reckon, since they fit well with each other in most cases, living in the same head 24/7, some things are bound to go up with some time. But whether it lasts as legitimate love that doesn't NEED to be proved in most cases is pretty much the setting, different factor, here. To love someone is not to ignore their flaws, but appreciate them in a sense they create balance in one's character. To love someone isn't to think about them all the time, but to always enjoy thinking about them. It's a thing I see with a lot of young tulpas who don't really have that much to do with their time, have limited capacities (no switching no possession and very little wonderland 'adventures'). Tomorrow is our anniversary. You seem like you were hit off-guard, so I'll tell you this: Love is not just romance, it is not the fluttery feeling in your gut, not the blushing of cheeks, nor the burst of feelings in youth. In fact, these feelings, as nice as they are, can actually be blinding, and can serve as a hollow imitation of what love is. I love my girls, and the reason I continue my work here is because I do love them. This doesn't mean I want to marry any of them, nor does it mean I picked them out as a girlfriend. It means I want to keep them around, and am willing to work to strengthen their presence and ability so that they can remain companions through life. As far as this practice goes, I consider the usual forms of romance to actually be needless at best, and possibly harmful if it expands too far... Quality post. It's important to keep things realistic. Love is not the actual 'emotion' that we would usually qualify as affection. Not only is it synergy, but it's an entirely new lifestyle. If you care, you care, it doesn't 'have to be romantic' for it to be legitimate. I let my tulpa know many times that if she didn't want us to have what we currently have, I would be all cool with it. Love is wishing for what's best for the people you love, not simply seeking romantic satisfaction. It's important to think about the impact that sort of relationships can have, take your time, think about outcomes. Making a tulpa is one thing. Dating one is, to me, as complicated as making two. Caring about someone in a non-superficial and genuine way beats all forms of romance. And even though I am someone who's deeply into this, I'd say that it would be better if nobody dated their tulpa. But that is also an extreme opinion that doesn't apply on anyone in a specific way. If you don't handle this with care, things can turn out pretty bad. I had made a few posts on what a relationship like that with your tulpa implies, might write it back if there is enough interest. A wise man once said: 'Before judging a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? He's a mile away, and you've got new shoes.' Graced are those who could avoid this phenomenon. This is perhaps the worst expression of evil in humanity's history, but who am I to judge?
Guest Anonymous February 13, 2016 February 13, 2016 After skim reading a bit more of this, my host would want to state that, in his opinion, it is unhealthy for a human being person to settle for an imaginary relationship over a real one. Imaginary romance is just that, imaginary and a fantasy. Human people need real love and real human relationships in their lives, despite the existence of a tulpa, in order to feel fulfilled and happy. Have romantic feelings for your tulpas, sure fine. That can be fun! But remember it does not replace real human relationships nor even compare to them. I realized this over twenty years ago and did everything in my power to help my host find a wife. He was terribly lonely, even with me. Also, real sex beats imaginary sex hands down any day. It would be impossible to convince my host that, even imposed tulpas with the greatest guru imposition skills in the universe, could be as good or satisfactory as real sex. It is incredibly sad to see a person without love in his or her life, dedicating everything to the tulpa. This Valentine's Day, try to find a real girl friend guys(or a boy friend girls). Your waifu tulpa will understand, trust me. Sheesh.
J.Iscariot February 13, 2016 February 13, 2016 After skim reading a bit more of this, my host would want to state that, in his opinion, it is unhealthy for a human being person to settle for an imaginary relationship over a real one. Imaginary romance is just that, imaginary and a fantasy. Human people need real love and real human relationships in their lives, despite the existence of a tulpa, in order to feel fulfilled and happy. Have romantic feelings for your tulpas, sure fine. That can be fun! But remember it does not replace real human relationships nor even compare to them. I realized this over twenty years ago and did everything in my power to help my host find a wife. He was terribly lonely, even with me. Also, real sex beats imaginary sex hands down any day. It would be impossible to convince my host that, even imposed tulpas with the greatest guru imposition skills in the universe, could be as good or satisfactory as real sex. It is incredibly sad to see a person without love in his or her life, dedicating everything to the tulpa. This Valentine's Day, try to find a real girl friend guys(or a boy friend girls). Your waifu tulpa will understand, trust me. Sheesh. Look, Mistgod. I respect your position, but you need to realize the effect of your words on other people. To us, tulpas aren't as imaginary as Melian might be to you. What applies to you doesn't apply to everyone. Some tulpas struggled to come into existence, and I doubt it was to be told 'you are imaginary, your feelings and emotions are invalid'. I understand fantasy romance and people having sick wonderland adventures that are unrealistic, but what about people who don't? What about people who appreciate their tulpas as real people with integrity and feelings of their own? Some people make tulpas for sex and romance, sure, I understand where you're coming from. What you said and how you are acting is extremely derogatory and offensive towards people who, you know, care about their tulpas. Words are only words over the internet, but what YOU went through is proper to YOU, and not everyone else. You used to be all against tulpas, then you put up this front that you are being supportive of thoughtforms for god-knows-why. Imagine you could think, rationalize and feel emotions, and all those things were just neglected... who even said tulpas are imaginary in the first place? I don't imagine shit with my tulpa, my imagination and her are two separate different things. Imagine you have happiness and someone just comes over and tells you that you're straight out deluded, how would that make you feel? Did you ever experience what other people did? I tend to be against tulparomance, but what you said just doesn't make sense because you didn't go through or feel what others have felt. The models of tulpamancy tend to differ, it's just really offensive to claim that 'oh a tulpa is imaginary imaginary love imaginary everything' regardless of what you actually 'mean' by that with that model of pseudo-reality you used to promote. People try very hard to respect you in a legit and honest way, but how is that possible if you can't respect the positions other people have? I mean, is Melian a representation for all tulpas everywhere? Is your experience the only valid one? And is it so hard to accept that in the minds of other people, shit is real? A wise man once said: 'Before judging a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? He's a mile away, and you've got new shoes.' Graced are those who could avoid this phenomenon. This is perhaps the worst expression of evil in humanity's history, but who am I to judge?
Guest Anonymous February 13, 2016 February 13, 2016 Oh calm down. Geez. You're being overly dramatic. It's just an opinion piece.
J.Iscariot February 13, 2016 February 13, 2016 Oh calm down. Geez. You're being overly dramatic. It's just an opinion piece. It's only an opinion to you, it sounds rational and completely fine in your books because that's what your host thinks. I know for a fact that It is incredibly sad to see a person without love in his or her life' date=' dedicating everything to the tulpa. This Valentine's Day, try to find a real girl friend guys(or a boy friend girls). Your waifu tulpa will understand, trust me. Sheesh.[/quote'] isn't really the best way to express your opinion. It's implying that most people are just obsessed with their tulpas with no valid emotions. And Human people need real love and real human relationships in their lives' date=' despite the existence of a tulpa, in order to feel fulfilled and happy.[/quote'] is also very far from simply expressing your opinion, it's akin to imposing your opinion on other people more than anything. Sock expressed an opinion that most people wouldn't really be fond of but the way he did it wasn't as forceful if you catch my drift. If you're going to express something that way, you should be prepared to face that sort of criticism, is all I am saying. A wise man once said: 'Before judging a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? He's a mile away, and you've got new shoes.' Graced are those who could avoid this phenomenon. This is perhaps the worst expression of evil in humanity's history, but who am I to judge?
Guest Anonymous February 13, 2016 February 13, 2016 Okay, you have to understand a couple of things. Often Davie and I are using a bit of humor to poke fun at tulpamancy and ourselves a bit. It was never meant to be offensive really. People don't understand our sense of humor at all and we are often misinterpreted. They also forget that David is actually deeply in love with me and overly obsessed with me. He is poking fun at himself as well with this. Also, Mistgod (Davie) has stated many times on this forum that he has an unusual view of things that are imaginary. He does not mean "fake" or "trivial" or "transitory." He values imaginary beings. It is the way he describes tulpas, and the way I do with him sometimes, but we don't mean it in a derogatory way or in a way to deny tulpa sentience. We stand by our statements however that humans need real human love in their lives. That is a valid opinion and there is nothing wrong with saying it. Also, people need thicker skins really.
Guest Anonymous February 13, 2016 February 13, 2016 Okay, you have to understand a couple of things. Often Davie and I are using a bit of humor to poke fun at tulpamancy and ourselves a bit. It was never meant to be offensive really. People don't understand our sense of humor at all and we are often misinterpreted. They also forget that David is actually deeply in love with me. He is poking fun at himself as well with this. Also, Mistgod (Davie) has stated many times on this forum that he has an unusual view of things that are imaginary. He does not mean "fake" or "trivial" or "transitory." He values imaginary beings. It is the way he describes tulpas, and the way I do with him sometimes, but we don't mean it in a derogatory way or in a way to deny tulpa sentience. We stand by our statements however that humans need real human love in their lives. That is a valid opinion and there is nothing wrong with saying it. Also, people need thicker skins really. As a host-tulpa couple, this is now something put in a way we're both fine with here. Good that you clarified that. :) Greets, AG
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