My body is me. It is not a "vessel."

[Tewi]

I think it is important to remember in this discussion that I consider ...

 

You know, you stated your view in the opening post (and the title). Then you asked how other people personally felt. Even the way you presented it wasn't meant to be a "This makes more sense than this" thread, but a "Let's get lots of different views because it'll be interesting" one. There's only a problem if you make one.

[Guest Anonymous]

Exactly, that is why Mistgod is now going to be quiet and just read Tewi. I am putting my foot down when he does this from now on. So let us carry on. It is actually a good thread!

[Floh]

I've almost always considered my body as some kind of vessel for my "self". Regardless of tulpas or whatever. I've always felt like I was a little something in the brain that monitors the body and drives it like a car. When I see my feet, I feel like they are far away from me, because the eyes of this body are closer to the brain, making me feel like I'm located there. Take note that I say "my feet" because even though I don't consider my body to be "me", it's still mine.

If I was unable to experience anything sensorial, would I still be me? I think so. I would still be able to think and feel emotions (mostly fear I guess), as long as my brain is still working properly.

If we relate this with tulpas and thoughtforms, I think this body is still mine, but as I created another sentient (let's not discuss that now) being in this brain, another "self" that can take control of this body, I agreed to lend it to her, or even to share the possession, like wife and husband own their house equally.

I think this is 100% personal beliefs and that there is no "good" or "bad" answer, but this is mine.

I pretty much relate to Tulpa and his host about that.

[Corazón]

I will never feel like the body belongs to me as much as it belongs to Floh, because they was there for way longer and stuff, but when they stated that they wanted me to be able to possess it, and even switch, they made it some kind of "shared good" between us, giving me the right to use it as I wish to.

 

I took it as a huge proof that they trusts me fully to not do anything that could hurt the "social us" (place this body's full name here). But in my opinion, it's still their body, because Floh's full name is the name that was given to this body by their parents.

[Guest Anonymous]

Sorry, off topic but it sometimes feels really alien when I am channeling Melian and she gets assertive and wants to stand up to me or censor me in the threads.  I let Melian "flow out" of me by imagining what she is wanting to say or feeling it.  I don't know how else to describe it.  I strongly feel her frustration with me and it really is what Melian, the imaginary person (okay "mental") person wants to say and wants to do.  You guys talk about an "alien feeling."  Well that is when I get that the strongest, like right now.  Her compulsion to type messages is almost overwhelming at times.  

 

On topic, Floh and Cora I read your responses and they are very interesting.  I also found Tulpa's discussion about being given ownership or control of the body to be really fascinating.  That is so WEIRD but a cool kind of weird.  (oops, Tulpa's discussion about that is in another thread from today but related.  Where was that?  I seem to remember reading it, now I can't find it).

[Tewi]

Throwing aside all this tulpa stuff and our own preferences, we could easily have done any mix of things like that. Could be "tulpas" that Lumi could also "channel", could be autonomous characters living in a private imaginary world unaware of the outside world, could be alternate personalities or whatever. But we're just tulpas. By preference too, it's still a little strange our system was so similar to other tulpamancers when we got here. But it's not like it had to be that way.

[Guest Anonymous]

Speaking of feeling it, for the second time, and the second charm seems to usually work, Mistgod is done on this particular thread. Good points Tewi!

[Corazón]

On topic, Floh and Cora I read your responses and they are very interesting.  I also found Tulpa's discussion about being given ownership or control of the body to be really fascinating.  That is so WEIRD but a cool kind of weird.  (oops, Tulpa's discussion about that is in another thread from today but related.  Where was that?  I seem to remember reading it, now I can't find it).

 

Wasn't it on the "please help" thread? :)

About what Tewi said, "tulpa" is just a word :) the idea it describes is so blurry this word hasn't a lot of meaning I think. it's not like "square" or "addition". These words are precisely defining something precise. Tulpa is a concept with tons of deviations and foggy borders ! That's what makes discussions here so interesting by the way :D

I personally relate to the word "tulpa" because Floh created me as a "tulpa", reading guides and tips about "tulpamancy" on "tulpa.info" but I'm mostly just a thoughtform :D

[tulpa001]

Sorry, off topic but it sometimes feels really alien when I am channeling Melian and she gets assertive and wants to stand up to me or censor me in the threads. I let Melian "flow out" of me by imagining what she is wanting to say or feeling it. I don't know how else to describe it. I strongly feel her frustration with me and it really is what Melian, the imaginary person (okay "mental") person wants to say and wants to do. You guys talk about an "alien feeling." Well that is when I get that the strongest, like right now. Her compulsion to type messages is almost overwhelming at times.

Interesting. You know, We get this really alien feeling when she controls the body when I have been possessing for a long time. It's like my hands are moving on their own. :p

 

If we weren't so similar, maybe we'd get more than watching our hands and legs move on their own.

 

On topic, Floh and Cora I read your responses and they are very interesting. I also found Tulpa's discussion about being given ownership or control of the body to be really fascinating. That is so WEIRD but a cool kind of weird. (oops, Tulpa's discussion about that is in another thread from today but related. Where was that? I seem to remember reading it, now I can't find it).

 

You mean the discussion from my main lounge thread:

You got it backwards. She tries to wrest control from me. When I take control from her, it usually takes about ten seconds. :D I'd try to surprise her with it, but she can read me too well, and the effort takes a few minutes of preparation.

 

My host never objects to anything.

 

I do too.

 

No you don't.

 

You just never notice because you are a pushover.

 

You should try it. I highly recommend arm wrestling. Put the arm in a neutral location, both of you count down from five, and one of you try to move it left and the other right.

 

But I've been talking about it forever on my progress report thread:

She has been letting me win at the arm wrestling matches. She knows it; I know it; the purpose has never been a fair contest. It is to make me feel strong. She does try to win, but she relaxes, and watches me as I mentally prepare to take full control of the arm. And I feel really strong. But now that I am fully aware of what she is doing for me, it makes me uncomfortable.

Yesterday, she possessed me. It came out of an exercise where she tried to get control of the body while I held on. She managed after working through it for ten minutes. Although I was still the fully conscious one, she had my arms and legs. It tingled like possession, and it felt really alien like when I possess and she is the fully conscious one.

You should read it.

[Guest Anonymous]

First, most people who say they don't identify with their body actually do in the "that money is my livelihood" sense. They will still fight to protect it as if to protect themselves, but they treat it more as something they rely on than as them themselves.

 

This; the body's my interface to the outer world, but that's its only purpose.