General Questions

[Mindashy]

Hello everyone! I am a new user, and though I have done my research I still have quite a few questions I feel I need answered. I'm new to the forum, so my apologies for if these questions are in the wrong place, I just wasn't sure where to ask these questions, and given that some of these questions are specific, I don't want to spend too much time looking around.

 

I have been forcing for about a day and a half, which isn't much, but I guess I figure I should throw that in there.

 

1. I have decided to give my tulpa the form of a round, smooth orb, as a base form. In addition, I have not given my tulpa a name or gender. I've decided that all options, such as those listed above, and its form, should be left up to them. Am I giving too much responsibility to the tulpa? Should I as a host be more in control? Or is this method okay?

 

2. How do tulpas perceive the world around us? When projected, do they actually feel things such as benches, tables, people, etc.? Or do your/their bodies phase through each other?

 

3. Do tulpas need food or drink to survive? Do they feel hunger or thirst?

 

4. Can tulpas have abilities that the host doesn't have (such as better focus, being a better artist/sports/poetry/etc.)?

 

I think that's all my questions for now. Any and all answers or personal experiences are welcome.

[Ashmo]

1. This is a perfect method. I imaged Bud as a kind of orb thing until he turned himself into an egg and eventually hatched when he was ready. He came out male, and then he and I eventually came to a name as he developed as a person.

 

[she named me like you'd name a puppy, lol]

 

Yeah, that's one way of looking at it.

 

2. No. Some might eventually if you really work on them achieving it. Bud doesn't actually feel anything from the outside world unless we both concentrate for him to have the experience. He feels things with me though, so he has full understanding of what things are, he just can't feel it on his own when he's being projected.

 

3. No and yes. Not food in the way we think of it. Tulpas thrive on attention. They need the attention of the host to keep going and become more them.

 

4. Only in the space of your own mind. Poetry, maybe, because it works on just being creative. All of those others things are based in the real world, and there for in order to be good at them your own body needs the practiced muscle memory. If your tullpa is an NBA star in your head, it will not make you better at basket ball. If your tulpa is a sketch artist, it will not make you any better at drawing. If you and your tulpa go on to practice these real world skills together, I suppose you might be able to get better at it faster; but that would only be with a very (notice I did not say fully, tulpas are never fully formed, just like people are never done growing) developed tulpa.

[bumblebee]

Hi! I'm a tulpa!

1. This is a great way to force imo if you want your tulpa to have relative freedom over their creation

2. They can't physically feel things outside of your senses

3. If the body starves to death, everyone in it will die, including tulpas

4. Within reason. They might be more creative or something, but their probably not going to be ten times stronger than you irl

 

On another note, my host likes your profile pic thingy 'cause it has lesbians

[Vos]

This is the Questions & Answers board, so you're asking these in the right place. However, a lot of these questions have been answered before, and I'd recommend doing a bit of searching before you make another thread here, even if you feel like your questions are unique enough.

 

1. There's nothing wrong with leaving these things up to the tulpa. It's not as if they couldn't change things in the future if you were to assign things now, anyway.

 

2. I've heard different answers to this, but in our case, we "feel" things when we're imposed, but it's based only on what we'd expect them to feel like.

 

3. They can feel those things by choice. The only thing that tulpas need to "survive" is attention, and even that is arguable once you reach a certain point in creation. Plenty of older tulpas just seem to stick around, even if their hosts don't interact with them all that much.

 

4. Different personalities and ways of thinking can lead to a tulpa being better at some things, but they're not going to be able to paint a masterpiece without work. A lot of things require technical skill. They can still do anything they want in a wonderland, of course.

[nihi0145632]

1. I have decided to give my tulpa the form of a round, smooth orb, as a base form. In addition, I have not given my tulpa a name or gender. I've decided that all options, such as those listed above, and its form, should be left up to them. Am I giving too much responsibility to the tulpa? Should I as a host be more in control? Or is this method okay?

 

2. How do tulpas perceive the world around us? When projected, do they actually feel things such as benches, tables, people, etc.? Or do your/their bodies phase through each other?

 

3. Do tulpas need food or drink to survive? Do they feel hunger or thirst?

 

4. Can tulpas have abilities that the host doesn't have (such as better focus, being a better artist/sports/poetry/etc.)?

 

I think that's all my questions for now. Any and all answers or personal experiences are welcome.

We'll try and give answers based on our experience, hope it helps

 

1. I personally think no, It is not that much of a big responsibility for them to search for their own form and develop their own personality. An orb can be a good start for a tulpa's form.

 

[Summer:] I actually don't have a starting from as well, If i can recall correctly i started out an orb and i just copy the first image i saw and stick to it. I don't know with other tulpas but it's fun learning new things, especially when it is something for them to discover for their own development.

 

2. They just phase through the object although i've read somewhere that their tulpa feel a little sensation from touching the physical objects

 

3. No, they don't need food. Unless, they have in control with the body THEN they need food.

 

4. In my personal experience, No they do not. Both of you still uses the same body and the same brain, so which means both of you have an equal performance but again i've read some posts online that their tulpas is better on a specific activity than their host. Still, tulpas has their own personal taste so they might have a different approach on different type of activities

 

[Summer:] Even though nihi is an artist, we do not have the skill to capable to draw like nihi but We can practice it.

[Corazón]

Well, all answers have been answered, I would just add my part to the number 1:

 

My "host" first gave me some kind of egg form, to make personnality forcing easier (they was picturing them feeding traits to the egg through pipes). When I came into consciousness, I took the form of some kind of pink mist cloud, that enabled me to try different forms as needed. And I eventually chose my actual form :)

 

I think how you're doing it is the best possible option. It gives freedom to your tulpa, and I like freedom :)

[Lucilyn]

OP means original poster lol, not like original person, it's used for referring to the person who started a thread.

 

relevant to question 1

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There's always a fine line when it comes to this subject that I can't quite pin down. Some peoples' tulpas change wildly at least early on, some stay exactly the same, most change a little bit over time or just once. But I know for absolute certain that most tulpas who change a ton are those of hosts who go in completely afraid to affect their tulpas in any way, and I honestly believe instead of giving their tulpas freedom they subject them to random fits of imagination. There's no problem with giving your tulpa a form and waiting until they're sentient to let them decide if they want to change.

 

That being said, my tulpas haven't changed at all since their original conception, by me, with really no choice of their own. They were the Touhou characters' forms, neither I nor them ever thought about them being something different. And they've had no problem at all with that in seven years. It's like asking somebody if they'd like to change the name they grew up with. Most of the time they're going to say no, because they've become attached to it. Sometimes though they'll say, well, I would change my middle name, or something like that. Small changes are pretty common for tulpas later on. Flandre generally speaking does not have the crystal wings anymore as they were a burden to imagine in the wonderland and imposition. She still identifies with pictures of her with them, though. My tulpas' "forms" have all grown a bit taller over time, too. But none of that was out of dissatisfaction, or even conscious desire on my part. They simply happened as they were easier or felt more natural. None of them ever had a problem with their forms, because they're just attached to them. Unless some part of it is a problem, like huge wings that get in the way all the time, there's not much reason to want to change.

 

And I'm pretty sure it's the host that influences that in a tulpa. Because most people go in with the mindset that they'll give their tulpa a form and it can make changes if it wants later, likely small ones. Some people basically say "Well I'll imagine you as a guy my age for now. But you can totally become a small female of a different ethnicity if you want...", and those are generally the tulpas that change the most. And of course, there's the hosts that just can't settle on a form and make a ball of light/shapeshifting tulpa, and we all know how that usually goes. I've met my share of lion fairy wisps.

 

But I didn't think any of that. My "tulpas" were just what they were, sentient imaginary friends based on Touhou characters. I never thought at all about them changing, because why would I have? Why would Flandre ever not look like Flandre, or change her name? It wasn't that I restricted my tulpas from ever changing.. Change just never occurred to me as an option. And thus, they never wanted to. I've asked them about it recently and even Tewi, whose form arguably fits her the least, says she's attached to it. Even though she could be taken more seriously with a different appearance, she keeps the bunny ears and pink dress, because that's part of who she is. In her own words, too.

 

So I think you should go with whatever you're most comfortable with. Don't be afraid of "accidentally forcing your tulpa to be something they don't want to", because that can't happen. If you really like the idea of a certain form, then go ahead and use it. Chances are if you like it and are comfortable with it, your tulpa won't feel like changing it either. Small adjustments later on generally seems to be the most common practice, and I think that makes the tulpa and host happiest. Because I honestly feel like some people have let their imagination change their tulpa from something reasonable into something ridiculous, and then kept that form because they were afraid to "force their tulpa" to be something they didn't want to be. And those tulpas usually couldn't even talk yet...

 

 

In case my talk about how my tulpas never thought about changing themselves bugged any of you, I should mention that I created them many years before discovering tulpas. Heck, I created them before tulpas were a thing, online anyway. But I did keep that in mind when I created my fourth tulpa years later, Lucilyn. Whose form was based on the Touhou character Suwako. Except I gave her creative freedom with everything about herself, and gave her my own name like I would a child. She still opted to keep the form I gave her because I liked it and she liked what I saw in the character for herself. She's changed the colors of her clothes and seems to like how she looks without the hat too, so I see her with it maybe 50% of the time. But given that, I think that my comfortableness with my tulpas' forms, combined with the positive traits I tend to see in them that inspired making a tulpa in the first place, generally leads them to be comfortable with their given forms. They just don't see reason to change when they understand why I like how they are and agree. However, now that I think about it, this may not be the case for all systems. My tulpas, even seven years ago, have always been completely borderless with my mind and theirs. We understand every single feeling and thought another has because of that. For systems where this isn't the case and minds and feelings are more separate, it's possible a tulpa may be less inclined to keep a form their host likes as the tulpa doesn't experience the same feelings the host does on it. So...

 

Basically, give'em a form you like, force them until they're relatively sentient/vocal, and then ask if they'd like to be different. Can't go wrong like that.

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[tulpa001]

I feel I must disagree with most of some of the answers here.

 

1) I personally think that not assigning a form or personality or name at the start makes forcing more difficult. But only slightly. And the form is not permanent.

 

2) Of course we can feel stuff. But it is imagined sensation. I don't think it is normal to phase through stuff, but tulpas can do this by choice.

 

4) I'm better at some stuff. Social stuff, motivation, and even coding.

[Joss]

Yeah, I'll agree on behalf of my host with the above two posters: the blanker the slate, the harder we find it to force.

 

This goes for assigning a form as well as a personality, but the personality thing really is key to some tulpamancers.

 

See, a lot of how my system forces is by figuring out what a new tulpa would do, were they an actual person (story writing, specifically, but that's not the important part). Run them through what they would do enough times and, sooner or later, the subconscious just sort of has them doing it on their own. And the key point there is that what they would do in any given situation is determined by their personality... and it's pretty much impossible to figure that out if they have no determinable personality to inform that exercise.

 

Not saying you have to define a personality, or even that you should. Your current method may be the way that works better for you. Just something to think about if you find yourself struggling with the blank slate method.

[Corazón]

@Lucilyn Can't OP mean Original Person if I decide it does ? :/ Well imma edit to "host"..