Becuase I really don't want to f*ck this up I'm checking stuff thread

[PolitenessMan]

Finally! Something I'm helpful with! Tulpaforcing at work via daydreams make up probably 80% of my tulpa-ing.

 

As far as I can tell, it works fairly well. Just some things to watch out for. Don't get too into it at first, daydreaming too hard can cause a person to make errors / get fired. I started in microbursts, doing maybe a minute or two of proper forcing broken up by focusing on reality. This method is also pretty bad if you're trying for a character based tulpa, because, at least for me, I had minimal control over the sessions. I'm satisfied with what I ended up with, but she doesn't even remotely resemble what I started out with. Also, watch out for parroting. The lack of control made it hard for me to not accidentally move my tulpa around for her, which gives the sensation of progress, but ultimately ended up being lost time.

 

So yeah. I'd give the daydream thing a shot. If you are already a daydreamer, it can't hurt to focus it a bit.

[Phi]

I'll start:

I only do 15-30 minutes a day and whilst I can definitly feel progress I'm not sure if that progress I'm feeling is miniscule and I need to do it for longer (I have a short attention span)

 

The average person's attention span these days (and I do blame electronics and the internet) is around 30 minutes, so your attention span is average, not short. I normally do that 30 minutes, then once it's starting to bother me I keep going and try to force it all one last time, then I get up and get a bite to eat (or anything like that) for 5-15 minutes, then sit back down and do another session.

Basically, it's one of the methods people use for studying: Snack break every 30-45 minutes to replenish energy.

 

Additionally, I use positive reinforcement to help me keep going. Positive reinforcement is when you reward somebody for doing something. By doing this, you reinforce the act so they are more likely to do it again. At first I didn't know what to use, but after remembering that my tulpa likes chocolate I decided that if I do 40 minutes a day then I get to eat a cup of chocolate pudding. After I got that down and was doing 40 minutes a day, I upped it to 90 minutes a day for a cup of chocolate pudding. This method can help you increase your tulpaforcing time.

[FedoraFreak]

Seeing as my plan is to create a fully-formed sentience before working on form or imposition, I have almost 70 traits, and I plan to spend at least 30-45 minutes on each one. Is this too much?

 

EDIT: Not fully-formed, of course, since it can never be complete. Just enough that it has its own opinions and is speaking in full sentences.

 

Hey, again, I don't want to fuck this up, either. What do you guys think? Less traits?

[Charlotte]

I don't think you can ever have too many traits, just make sure you properly organize and prioratize them, the most important and defining go first, trivial last, and make sure to work on the important ones more than the trivial ones.

[Guest Albatross_]

I started out with 65 traits in a list. No sort of organization, because I felt that all I'd be doing if I charted/grouped/classified them would be recreating a chart in my head. I just listed traits in no particular order and then started going down the list, 5 minutes a trait.

 

That got me to ~10 hours. From there on I was doing review; did that until about 12.5 hours, when I stopped because I felt like I was doing nothing.

 

Today, I tried something different. I went back over my list and picked out traits that I felt represented the essence of what I want my tulpa to be; key traits that really defined her. I ended up with 10 traits. Then, for my first 30 min session, I picked the first one on the list and started with it. After about 10 minutes, I couldn't think of anything else for that one, so I went on to another.

 

I feel like I made more progress in that 30 minute session than in the last 5 hours of tulpaforcing.

 

So, I would say to pick as many traits as you feel are necessary to define your tulpa. 70 traits * 30 minutes = 35 hours. That should be more than sufficient. Keep in mind that Irish basically didn't work on personality at all and he ended up with a sentient tulpa.

 

My test for when I'm going to be done with personality:

When I can sit down and review my tulpa's personality, and it takes me 20 minutes or more to summarize it. That's when I know I have sufficient detail.

 

Or I may just decide one day that I'm done and move on to visualization.

[Phi]

I don't understand how people can work on a single trait for only 5 minutes and expect to get anywhere. The shortest I have ever spend on one trait is 20 minutes, and I still go back to work on those every now and again. Hell, it took me three or four days to do one certain trait because it was so important for her character.

[Guest Albatross_]

The idea is that you do 100 traits for five minutes a trait, and by defining how they all work together, you end up with the same sort of personality mesh as if you spend 20-30 minutes on a broad trait.

 

But I tried that and it didn't feel right for me. There was just too much.

[Guest]

I like Phi's positive re-enforcement idea ... If I can keep my eyes closed and my thoughts concentrated for ten minutes without glancing at the clock I give myself something nice, seems good to me!

[Hannibal]

Im tulpaforcing for, like 10 min or so. Stop. Do it again for 10 min, and so on. I can get up to 40 - 60 min a day of complete tulpaforcing, but is this really bad? And can somebody give me an example on just how did you explain a trait to your tulpa. I usualy stop because I just have no idea what to say anymore. The main problem of mine is detail personality at this point. I just dont know what to say, and when I see that people are making one sessions for up to 45 min, I just feel like an underachiever.

[Guest Albatross_]

Im tulpaforcing for, like 10 min or so. Stop. Do it again for 10 min, and so on. I can get up to 40 - 60 min a day of complete tulpaforcing, but is this really bad? And can somebody give me an example on just how did you explain a trait to your tulpa. I usualy stop because I just have no idea what to say anymore. The main problem of mine is detail personality at this point. I just dont know what to say, and when I see that people are making one sessions for up to 45 min, I just feel like an underachiever.

 

If you are having trouble concentrating you might consider making a visual representation of the personality. Probably the reason you can only force for 10 minutes is that your mind isn't used to the sensory deprivation you subject it to when you focus on something that you can't see.

The solution to that is to make something that you can see; an orb, a bubble, whatever. Or you could make a wonderland for you to hang out in while you force. Those things will probably allow you stay focused for longer.

 

Also, you can do multiple traits in one session. It's probably a good idea to do that, actually, because then it's easier to link them together.

 

Example?

 

"Hello, Octavia. Now we're going to explore how intelligence augments your personality. Because you are intelligent, you analyze things and try to understand what is around you. You draw from past experiences to make decisions about what you see. Your intelligence makes you logical, and because of that you sometimes come across as withdrawn and cold."

 

etc, etc. If you are having trouble coming up with enough detail, http://tulpa.info/guides/faqman-trait-template.html

 

Anywhere from 15 minutes up is generally considered an effective forcing session; but remember, if you feel like you made progress, then you probably did.