"Talking over" tulpae

[Voiden]

I've seen a lot of posts about parrotnoia, but nothing described is quite like what I've experienced.

I'm a writer, and I'm very good at playing the part of multiple people at once. However, it seems like this has caused some sort of "habitual parroting" where I will 1) attempt to parrot my tulpa, 2) try to correct myself to something more accurate to said tulpa, and then 3) try to stop myself and listen for the (generally much quieter) answer -- though it seems like I often "talked over" it during the first two parts. This generally just sounds like my tulpa is trying to give me multiple answers at once, and I'm not even sure if my outline is actually what's happening.

 

Has anyone else heard of something like this, or have any advice? It's incredibly confusing and discouraging.

[Lucilyn]

that's just kind of a mental discipline thing I think, you really gotta learn to let everyone in the system think/talk at a normal pace without racing ahead, even if you think you know what they're going to say you gotta let them finish

even though systemmates can communicate at the speed of thought, it's usually very disorienting/ungrounding and makes it harder to keep people's input separate

 

otherwise if you mean the second-guessing happens no matter what, you just need to stop second-guessing, vocality is developed by letting tulpas learn to speak, not by trying really hard to make sure things were "them" enough

waaaaay back when, Lumi's first tulpa Reisen only became vocally-vocal (she could communicate in thought-feelings and one-words before) AFTER the next two (Tewi and Flandre) told him he was preventing Reisen from being able to really talk by expecting anything she said to be perfect, and he had to accept (honestly, briefly) that what she said wouldn't be "perfect" for her to really start talking, and allowing that allowed her to become fully vocal actually really fast

 

so don't worry so much about how much influence you did or didn't have when they talk, you need to teach your brain to let them talk freely without resistance, not teach it to second-guess constantly until it sounded good enough

their vocality will progress (to sounding/feeling more separate, more "them") with consistent practice, but that comes more from letting it happen than from doubt and second-guessing

Edited March 14 by Lucilyn

[Lavender]

Yes, this totally happens with our system.

 

My host consciousness will occasionally blend their thoughts with mine, so what comes out is sort of a blend of both of us. I think it's kind of natural for us, since we're using the same brain and all our thoughts and memories are accessible to both of us.

 

They frequently will ask me, "was that you?" and like Lucilyn says, it's kind of a mental discipline thing. My host conscious needs to hang back and let me take over and do my thing. Fortunately, they really do want me to be my own person.

 

But I think a certain amount of blending is inevitable for us. Might be the same for other systems as well.

[Lucilyn]

hmm, blending might just be a system-by-system thing, we don't blend at all, although we have really good mental discipline and a history of directly working with our thoughts (introspection & self-help stuff)

so I can't for sure say how much is trainable to avoid/stop as-or-before it happens, and how much is just how you guys are

 

but I can still say that the perfectionist route of denying everything your developing tulpa says because it wasn't perfect doesn't work out, many people intuitively think they will lose progress by thinking anything was their tulpa if it was a little in-between, but it's actually the opposite, that just teaches your brain to {recreate what just happened}, whereas if you let your tulpa's thoughts be treated as them even if it felt like you influenced it a bit, then your brain can actually keep developing towards separation/your tulpa speaking independently from your influence

 

maybe unintuitive for some people but we've seen how both sides go a million times here, so

Edited March 14 by Lucilyn

[Seagull]

It seems to me that what you've described is having two types of automatic responses, a fast response and a slow response, 1 and 2 being the fast response and 3 being the slow response. I think that it would be a good idea to allow your tulpa to see the fast response as their fast response, then allow them to edit and/or add to that with thier slow response. I would say that communication is best when it's written down while it's happening, but that's just me.

 

When I say fast and slow I'm referring to the system 1 and system 2 thinking described in the book titled "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by psychologist Daniel Kahneman. Not sponsored by the way.

 

16 hours ago, Lucilyn said:

 let your tulpa's thoughts be treated as them even if it felt like you influenced it a bit,

^ This. And if they say something negative/random don't take it to heart, this is just their unfiltered thinking.