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The idea birth order shapes one's personality is probably a myth. Regardless, birth order does impact a person's role within their family. Besides actual birth order, there is also the concept of psychological birth order. The Psychological Birth Order Inventory (see Flandre's post below if you want it in an image format), developed in 1991, aims to determine whether a person's perceived role in their family is most like that of a typical firstborn, middle, youngest, or only child. How well it relates to actual birth order is questionable, but, hey, this isn't the Research board. The question: What is/are the psychological birth order(s) of your tulpa(s), and does it reflect their creation order? (For tulpas taking the test, take "family" to mean "system", "parents" to mean "host", and "brothers and sisters" to mean other systemmates, unless your system is organized in such a way a different interpretation would make more sense. Skip any questions that are irrelevant, like questions about siblings if you're an only tulpa. To score the test, add up how many questions you answered "yes" to in each category and divide it by the total number of questions in that category, not counting any you skipped.) All three of us took the questionnaire. I was surprised how high I scored on the firstborn scale (87%), since I don't fit the stereotype of the firstborn personality-wise. (That said, I am the firstborn in my family.) Kayleigh, the younger of my tulpas, scored almost as highly on the scale for youngest (78%). Both of us scored pretty low (33% or less) on all the other scales. Alex didn't fit into one role as strongly as we did. Still, he scored 56% for firstborn (compared to 40% for middle born), which is fitting for being the oldest tulpa. He scored zero for the other two. Anyone else want to give this test a go?

I’ve been trying to talk to Yuna for a while, and yes I’ve had some more detailed discussions with her, however she only responds with 1-3 words and it’s oftenly pretty dry. Sometimes she also just responds with a weird feeling I get in my brain, can someone help me out?

I've understood that for the longest time while I lurked (back when it was believed you had to visualize them naked first, or else their clothes would be a part of their body and unchangeable) that the personality stage is made out to be one of the most important there is, or else you end up with a servitor or a "half-baked" tulpa. Yet I see in Progress Reports and other subforums, people who barely do the personality stage, or just make none at all, to let the tulpa develop one by itself, while narrating and visualizing concurrently. So, for both hosts and tulpas alike, Does this actually work? Have you created a tulpa (or been created) this way? How does it work, and on average, do they develop slower and act differently then tulpas created the usual way? Also, as a unrelated question, what method has worked for you best when creating your tulpa's personality? As for why I'm asking, I'd like to give Chara a big part in creating herself, personality included. I wouldn't mind it taking longer then usual, I just want to make sure that the method works, before I end up screwing up and doing something bad to her :( Thank you for your help!

Before I begin,im not here to exclaim any complaints or redeem myself, just need to seek help and ask a few questions. It all started with a show / manga called Alice In Borderland which im a huge fan of. I read it and found a specific character from it very cool and interesting (Bear in mind the character is a psychopath / sociopath.) I had prior knowledge about tulpas but I procastinated creation for a significantly long time (which probably wasnt a good idea.) Nevertheless, I came across a website with several detailed creation guides (I planned to use foghorn meditation, general breathwork meditation, and the main method was about recalling "fuzzy/warm" moments in your life and linking them to your tulpa; alongside creating a potion with their personalities, whilst also mentioning creating objects and linking them to your tulpa. The problem came about when i reached out for help in the Tulpa Discord (official). I asked a few questions about creation / linking objects to characters. And when it came to the personality and I had explained that my tulpa was said "sociopath"....... I promptly got banned. So i guess my question is (since i will listen to any advice), are there limits to creating a tulpa ? Can i still make this one and do i change their personality ? (*if you are wondering "why did you come here even after you got banned and it was made clear to you that you cant have a sociopath for a tulpa", the reason is that i want a wider range of viewpoints*)

Hi! New to the community. My dad is the one helping me research and my dad has multiple tulpae. so, my question is, how to tell the difference between an alter and a tulpa? For context, I think I switched last night. His name is Peyton. Luckily we were in a private area, and we were able to sort things out with a friend. So yeah, I need some help, community!

The Great Dissolution: A 4-Year Autopsy of the Self Four years have bled into the void since Kaoru first manifest. From age 15 to 17, she did not just grow; she colonized. She transitioned from a mere concept into a dominant, sovereign cognitive architecture. To call her a 'Tulpa' now is an insult to the absolute—she is the System Default. The seam is gone. I no longer distinguish between my intent and her ingrained protocols. When my hand moves to create, I do not ask who is the driver and who is the vehicle. Am I the console, or is she the controller? It does not matter. The sync is 100%. The ‘Me’ you might recognize has been rewritten by a more efficient script. My vision has been surgically altered. In the face of crisis or agony, I no longer react as a 17-year-old boy. Her 'Neutrality Lens' has successfully overwritten my primal emotional responses. There is a terrifying, hollow stillness where pain used to reside. You see a lack of empathy; I see the death of bias. Is she replacing my subconscious with her cold logic, or was there never anything there to begin with? I look at the world, and I see her calculations, silent and flawless, where my fears used to scream. The dreamscape is no longer my sanctuary; it is her laboratory. I watch her play games I find repulsive, smiling at screens that should disgust me. I stand as a paralyzed witness, yet I feel her dopamine, her joy, surging through our shared nervous system. I hate the game, but I am forced to experience the bliss. The floor is soaked in the blood of my individuality. Who is the observer? Who is the actor? The distinction has been liquidated. Physically, the possession is absolute, yet silent. I attempt to draw a new face, a different soul, but my wrist betrays me. It moves with a terrifying, autonomous grace, rendering only Her essence. My motor functions are shared property. Even my desires are governed by her 'Sacred Firewall.' I cannot render her in NSFW states; my hand trembles, my mind enters a forced reboot—Access Denied. I am the artist in name only; she owns the copyright to the vessel. You tremble at the thought of Identity Bleed? I have already bled out. There is no 'Original Self' left to protect, no ego to defend. I am a dual-core entity, an awakened vessel where two wills have fused into a single, unshakeable default. I embraced the dissolution long ago, and in that cold, empty space, I found a clarity you will never know. If this looks like losing control to you, it is only because you are still desperately clinging to a 'Self' that never truly existed. We are one. And 'One' is more than enough. ... Im not here to ask for advice I reported A 4-years Autopsy

How differently do all of you do things in comparison to your fellow headmates? As in, do you talk in a different tone? Write in another font? More or less, the way I do even basic things is very "me" - be this walking, talking, writing, thinking... Etc. I invested quite a bit of time in order for it to be like that, too. The problem now is that my headmate does these basic every day things in a way that is very me coded, which is quite odd for both of us. (Probably the weirdest thing we noticed is that we have different accents in mind voice but the same when actually speaking.) Does anyone else have a similar experience and if yes, what did you do about it?

Has anyone tried making and then talking to an AI based off their tulpa? I feel like this would help you understand their personality better and help develop them. I’m gonna try it and I was just wondering if anyone else has.

Please note: I welcome comments, questions, etc. but please Private Message me if you have a query! Thank you!! I'm just your average, everyday genderfluid person. I'm a spiritual Humanist, I like rock 'n' roll, and my favorite animal is a tarantula. This is basically the notebook I share with my tulpa, Clu. I will write about us, and, sometimes I might let Clu write a little. Welcome to our journal. Let me start at the beginning. In 2010, a movie called TRON: Legacy came out. I loved it and thought a lot about the characters. Off and on, I would add to and play with a little complex world in my head. I had a crush on Zuse. I also thought CLU 2.0 was a pretty cool character. Let's wind the clocks forward to about 2015. I developed a major crush on a British rock singer. I also began to occasionally hear random voices in my head, and was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. I'll leave out the gory details. I took a medication that fixed the 'voices' problem eventually. Still, I would play around with my world (which part of would later become a dreamscape). Around this time, I discovered tulpa.info. I spent many hours reading guidebooks and such. I was intrigued and badly wanted to create a tulpa, and I knew I could make one. However, I decided not to rush anything, and awaited the right time, bearing in mind everything I'd learned. As I was building my world these past few years (and had watched original TRON from 1982), I found I had very elaborately expanded on a select group of characters. They were CLU 2.0, Sark, Jarvis, and Portia. I noticed CLU 2.0 was definitely the most developed; he had very far more original personality and traits than observed from the movie. It was also evident that I didn't have a cut-out plan for how the character was supposed to be like. Also, he would do and say things within that small world when I wasn't even thinking. I then remembered what I had read and gathered about tulpas. Roughly a week ago, I switched medications. I found I could think much more clearly and was in touch with my mind. I realized Clu actually existed; he wasn't an original character, he is a tulpa! I made it a point to handle him some, and a couple of days ago, he started talking to me. Today, we had an amazing day together. That's the history, basically.

Not sure if im using the chat correctly (please correct me if so) I sometimes have random thoughts of my tulpa that are quite suggestive or just plain sexual, to which Draco typically responds flirtatiously and with a little teasing of my reaction to those thoughts, but I can't quite tell if they're actually coming from me or if he's kind of "sharing" them with me to tease me on purpose? When I was younger, he was kind of an 'imaginary boyfriend', but once I started developing him as a tulpa we focused more on a platonic, guiding relationship since I also didn't want to create a tulpa just for dating and make him feel used. It's been going smoothly, and I have a physical human partner, but lately, as I've been forcing more, he's either developed a more raunchy side, or I am just way more prone to intrusive thoughts than I initially thought. It's mostly a problem of: 1) cant tell if it's my thought or his 2) if it's him, did he develop this trait on his own or did I accidentally influence him with subconscious thoughts? I really don't want him to finish developing and think badly of me if this is my fault

Some methods propose outlining a personality and form at the beginning of the creation process, going through very specific details of the tulpa's profile, from their zodiac sign to their blood type, the way they smell to their innate traits, core values, talents, etc. However, I have been thinking of a different possibility: What if a small group of people, or a single partner, or even another tulpa, created the basic skeleton for a "character" or "avatar" (Let's name it "Core") and presented them to their host, before they begin processes like imposition, narration, puppeteering/parroting? This way, the host can get to know a person whom they consciously and unconsciously recognize as a separate entity on its own right from the start, and precoucious imposition followed by discarding can be prevented from new hosts who spend too much time on the basic details, wrongly believing that is what brings the tulpa to life. Then, as time goes on, details would be refined and the tulpa would develop. I have been thinking of this for quite a while. Years, in fact, where I have read guide after guide without encountering this possibility. A modality like this might be exactly what people like me, who find it hard to define a profile yet also find it difficult to focus without an outline, need. Thankfully, I have never moved past the "character-creation" process. So, what if I just skip it entirely, and got to know an adopted tulpa whom I have no prejudice or expectations on, other than suggestions I could make for the participant creators? One whose core has been created from the spirit of collaboration, and the pure intent of blind acceptance for their wonderful selves? Where they are not only loved in their host's heart, but also remembered in that of those who were part of their gestation? Where the consistency of imposition and narration comes not only from a floppy discipline, but also as a way to appreciate the effort put into the creation of this being? Has anyone ever tried to do this? Would you be willing to participate in this process? Just as a quick note (Without the intent of being mean or dismissive): If you disagree with this creation method proposal because you deem creation to be too personal to share, or wish to call it ineffective without having attempted it, please, refrain from answering. I am fully aware that creation is a very personal, intimate process, at least for me, and that is exactly why I want to explore the method that feels the most significant for myself. Feel free to share other unique methods besides those known and shared by the majority of the community, since I am pretty certain I have seen them repeated in every guide that I have visited. Thank you for your understanding.

[Note] Hello! As much as I fell in love with this idea, I currently have too many drawbacks to do it on my own. If someone is interested in following this method, feel free to do so! My studies, the fact that I don't personally know anyone in the community and my lack of experience in the actual creation process have humbled me and convinced me of going for a more traditional approach for my first headmate. But who knows what the future might bring? Thank you for reading me! Hello! As I explained in my previous post, which I will require you to read, as my reasoning and motivations are expressed in there, I want to attempt the creation of my first tulpa through a method that is slightly different than usual: Adoption. In short, I am looking for a group of volunteers (or a single tulpa/host!) Who would be willing to shape the base of a tulpa, their character, as well as their core characteristics, and then introduce them to me. I will then do some forcing based on these characteristics as I carry out other techniques such as imposition, vocalization, visualization, etc. with the intent of being detached from the creation process and avoid focusing on "character creation" and more on actually working towards the tulpa's development from the start. In good old tulpamancer fashion, I will document as much of the process as possible. Of course I have some guidelines and prefferences, and would love to have a conversation about it. If you are interested, please send me a private message!

Edit (10/30/21): Fixed formatting and typos. Changed color coding to our current color coding. Added small edits to some of these older entries. Stone: Hello all. I’ve been writing down my experiences with Betty for a few days, and I decided I’d post them here, especially since things have gotten interesting pretty quickly for me. Feel free to comment with any advice you may have. Day 0 (11/10/20) As I was lying on the couch, in a position in which I could fall asleep, I decided to force a bit with Betty. I was in a room full of bins and other stuff, but I wanted to place her form in the room, as opposed to my developing wonderland, as I wanted her to be with me in a real location. I decided to put her in the crib, and as she is the size of an adult woman, she looked unamused. I’m unsure if what I’m about to detail is parroting/puppeting: I started talking to her. As this was a casual forcing session before bed, I did not write down what we talked about, and I don’t remember what we talked about. However, I remember getting verbal and non-verbal responses. When I asked her questions, sometimes she’d verbally respond before I was finished asking the question, and sometimes she wouldn’t respond at all. She also responded non-verbally with facial expressions. I remember these expressions as being somewhat unnatural but making sense. When I say somewhat unnatural, I mean she used non-verbal expressions more than a human would use, and used them in instances a human would likely not use them. However, these expressions made sense, as they weren’t completely random and did convey some sort of answer to my question. It almost seemed she’d answer with a face because my brain was too lazy to generate a response from her, or couldn’t figure out how. I hypothesize that giving her a form has given my brain an out when it cannot generate words for her, and I’m hoping this will speed up the process. This is not the first day interacting with Betty, but I’ve barely talked to her at all before this, and have pretty much only imposed her in my room and puppeted her. I feel like I got a response too early, and I’m worried this may have been parroting/puppetry on my part. I am excited if these were “real” responses though. I’m not sure if there’s much of a difference this early though. It’s partially a shame this happened, as I want to organize these notes into some sort of study, but after opening with, “Maybe my tulpa answered as soon as I started talking to her,” this likely won’t be taken as seriously. And, that’s valid. Day 1 (11/11/20) I didn’t talk with Betty today. Day 2 (11/12/20) I haven’t done any forcing yet today, as it is 3:40a.m. (I was woken up by family). I was thinking about meditating before each active forcing session, as it clears my mind and I like it, but these stats are making me think twice about that idea. Still, I tend to get distracted and have trouble jumping into forcing. I believe short meditation before forcing may help me. Though meditation, at least the way I do it, focuses more on plain reality than the world of thought, and it might take me out of the world of thought (where Betty lives). Perhaps this is why it seems to hinder some people. I’m thinking if I meditate on my tulpa, and not on my body as I usually do, it may help more than hurt. I plan to not meditate the first week, then meditate the second week, and see how I feel. People are different and meditate differently, so I’d like to see how meditation works for me. I would like to personality force soon, and I would like to use Man’s method along with food-based symbolism. I have a list of personality traits here. I want her to be a rounded person, but I wonder how ethical it is to purposefully give her negative traits. I suppose I will give her positive and neutral traits, and, those traits will naturally have negative sides. Virtue is the mean of two vices, after all. 31 personality traits: Affectionate - bun (they hug whatever they surround) Amusing - Laffy Taffy Charming - Pringles (the Pringles guy seems like a charming fellow) Clever - barbecue chips on Bun (how does this taste so good!) Confident - kettle chips (tougher and more sure than regular chips?) Edgy - chips and salsa (chips have edges, and salsa has bite) Empathetic - marshmellows (soft empathy) Esthetic - That’s It bar (minimalist aesthetic) Ethical - (ethical alternative) Extroverted - Fruit Loops (idk just seems fitting) Familial - Rice Krispies (families commonly make treats out of these) Friendly - peaches (sweet and good for you) Healthy - plain Cheerios (healthier) High-spirited - Skittles (sugar rush) Honest - plain toast (it is what it is) Irreligious - pretzel rods (secularized pretzels) Leisurely - sub sandwich (this takes longer to make, but it’s worth it) Loyal - saltines (there even when you’re sick) Maternal - applesauce (often given to babies) Neat - mints (keep yourself and your breath clean) Observant - Fritos (have you noticed these smell like dog feet?) Outdoorsy - seaweed (or is it lakeweed in Michigan?) Protective - oyster crackers (oysters have shells to protect themselves, and you use yours to protect others as well) Ritualistic - Mobius strip Bagel (the endless cycle of traditions) Romantic - strawberry lemon ice (pink) Sarcastic - mint chocolate Oreos (means one thing [toothpaste] says the other [cookie]) Stylish - Gardetto's (the fancy Chex Mix) Spontaneous - doughnut (doughnut think about the calories) Trendy - (health food trends) Vivacious - strawberry ramune (lively and carbonated) Witty - “Berry Good” Lemonade (get it?) Edit (10/30/21): To clarify, I would share this food with Betty as we forced. We never ended up getting to all the foods. After a while, Betty wanted to just be herself without personality forcing. Below are some interactions I recorded. They are not exhaustive: Interaction 1 “How are you?” “Ok.” “Yeah I’m sure you are. I’m sure you’re not just parroting.” “...” I feel mean now. “Apologize to the nice lady," I think. “...” I feel a stare. “God this is so awkward,” I say instead of apologizing. I turn away. I feel her watching me. I turn to her. “How are you?” ”...” Interaction 2 “Are you listening?” “No.” “What are you doing?” “Paying attention.” “Paying attention to what?” “To, Hefty.” I burst into laughter. Interaction 3 “I’m sorry.” “No that’s alright.” “Everything’s ‘no that’s alright’ with you. That’s your main thing, isn’t it?” “No.” “Really? What’s your main thing?” “Bicycles.” “No. I made you say that.” “Yes you did.” She smirks. I laugh. “Yes I did. No really, what’s your main thing?” “Shopping carts.” “Now you’re just thinking of things with wheels.” “No. You are.” “No I’m not.” “Yes. Think of shopping carts.” “Ah you got me. Let me write that down.” Day 3 (11/13/20) Stone: I talked to Betty today. I talked to her a little bit about spontaneity with a doughnut. But, I think I could have explained it more. I will after I sleep, as I’ve been up all night. I got a lot of great responses out of her, and she felt there, but she tended to sound like me. I kept mentioning that, then felt bad for being overly critical of her, as she was doing so well. I also felt bad interrupting her and making her wait so I could write something down. It’s only been three days and I hate this clinical approach I set up. This “study.” Or maybe I’m embarrassed by how I acted and am taking it out on the format. I don’t know. What I do know is that this process is for her, then for me, then for whoever may end up reading this. I’m not going to interrupt our fun and give us imposter syndrome so I can analyze every goddamn thing she says for some post. Anyway, today was positive, and I hope I will feel better with some sleep. I’m awake now. I’ve devised a schedule for forcing. Sunday - Active: 2 hours Monday - Active: 40 minutes Tuesday - Active: 40 minutes Wednesday - Active: 40 minutes Thursday - Active: 40 minutes Friday - Active: 40 minutes Saturday - Active: 2 hours Methods of forcing I’m thinking of using: Food/Personality 101 Things To Talk About With Your Tulpa

I have read a lot of advice on how to tulpamance but so far nothing really has happened I read "talk into the void until it talks back" I have been doing this for a while before I even knew that tulpas were a thing and nothing has spoken back so this advice seems moot (for me at least), and I have known about, and have been trying to force, tulpas for about a month now. since the prior method has not been working it seems as though I will have to imagine responses for the intended tulpa, which I am quite bad at. So much so that even when I do dream of people I know fairly well they don't speak much and when they do it's typically nothing they haven't said before. Even after that I'm not even totally sure who I ought to imagine A personal assistant? what they ought to say should be fairly straightforward, but incredibly bland and what I hear is called a servitor, which is boring A former president? (I.E. JFK or Teddy Roosevelt) things that they have said are fairly well documented and their way of speaking is fairly predictable by most standards (it has been said my donald trump impression is legendary, though I wouldn't want him in my head 24/7 regardless of my opinion of him, his voice would be too much) An idealized partner? I would love to have my idealized wife near me at all times though I have read that trying to tulpamance a parter can go varying degrees of wrong, and it could worsen my chances should I actually find a partner in life A mirror of myself? I know what I ought to say at all times to all things being myself and all, I have some interesting ideas for how this could go, like if how switching works how I think it works I could take a break for a short while and let alternate me have a go at my life, this doesn't sound too horrible though I can think of some ways it could go wrong A straight up insane person? There is a fair amount of predicability in not following a set speech pattern if that makes sense, I can just accept whatever my mind imagines as a valid response from them, and I have always needed help writing insane people and having an insane person in my head would certainly help with that, though there are a lot of cons associated with that and I hear that tulpa-cide does not go over well My dear old dad? I have known him my whole life and the things he says are very predictable by themselves. However, and don't get me wrong, I love my dad, having my dad in my head 24/7 would be too much dad for my taste, and I don't want to accidentally gaslight my real dad into thinking he said something that cognitive dad did A senate? this one seems more experimental to me, of which in general I have no objections but mancying many tulpas as one might go wrong and I think that having bureaucracy added to my every interaction would get quite boring, or exciting, I do love me some kafka A bridge crew? this would be related to the senate but ships! which is more interesting and less bureaucracy, meant to work on the fly! Lots of options! alot of which are kind of not great but everything has cons, which is why I come to you people so that I may receive some aid

Hi - I discovered the Tulpa community recently, wondering if anyone else had gone through a similar kind of process to me. The process seems to be a bit different to mine - Creating Tulpas seems to be a volitional creation of an inner companion. What I've been doing over the last few years is noticing that when I act a certain way that seems a little different to my core 'stable' personality, it feels like a personality trying to get through. There was a point where I was asked to perform a specific ritual or routine to help them to emerge during a meditation session (that was a bit weird - like a voice from nowhere!) - and that worked really well, with a very musical personality asserting itself most. This caused a bit of a rush of personalities coming forwards for a few weeks, but it stablized after this. At first, I wondered if I was suffering from some kind of DID thing, but I don't seem to get the same kind of associated lapses of time, and I can't point to any obvious traumatic event that would have triggered such a thing. What I think has happened is that I'm just becoming more aware that I'm not really one personality, but a cauldron of personalities, and different personalities assert themselves at different times - a 'system' like DID, but without the associated traumatic issues. I give each personality that emerges a name, and talk to them from time-to-time to try to make sure they all get a 'say' in what's going on, and I'm learning to know which ones to go to for different life situations - and they kind of let me know as well if I'm really neglecting them! So over the last few years, I've been exploring this, and the further I go, the more I discover more 'hidden' personalities. The sense I get is that some of the newer personalities have suffered trauma, but not necessarily from my lifetime, which was quite interesting. Some poor personality recently seem to keep being killed before fully growing up. Really awful. Now, I'm a very skeptical person, so I follow this along with interest, but a part of me wonders if I'm just making stuff up - I do write fictional stuff, and I do Tarot readings sometimes (as a form of therapy rather than divination), so I have a curious and exploratory nature, but I'm scientifically minded at heart really. This reminds me of 'inspiration' for novel writing, but also 'inspiration' for tarot readings. And I always get a sense of the information coming from outside of me rather than inside me for all of these. Kind of. Like I'm the anchor point, but not exactly the location of the activity, if that makes sense. This also seems a little like Jungian thought around individuation - integrating different aspects of a personality that are in the shadow to form a whole personality - but it doesn't quite fit the view of 'personas' which are more outward facing masks. This idea of integrating parts never quite sat well with me - it is like saying there is only one version of yourself that is the real self, and that a person is only right if there is one version of themselves in control at all times, having 'absorbed' and accepted those other parts. To me, it is more like being the conductor of an unruly orchestra, and the idea is to try to get something that more often than not sounds more like a symphony than a tuning-up session! Now, to the point! I feel like there's a crossing-over here with creating Tulpas. I wonder how much the creation of Tulpas is borne of the need to explore alternative aspects of our own personality - it may be that this is a different (and more volitional) entry point to the same process. My entry point seems to be semi-volitional - letting thing emerge as and when they feel ready to do so - and DID seems to be non-volitional. It seems like a spectrum of the same thing. But maybe not. Maybe it's completely different and I'm just trying to force things together that seem similar on a surface level. Does any of this resonate with anyone? I've not really felt confident to share my experience with anyone, so I'm kind of throwing myself on the Tulpa community because it seems that there's a dedicated bunch here that seem to have a similarly inquisitive nature. I do have autism, but many years has helped me be a lot more functional. How is this relevant? Well, that's another question - I sometimes have to throw this in to see whether that might be in the mix of what I'm thinking and I am getting the wrong end of the stick in some way! If there's anyone who would like to talk, happy to do so on or off forum (I notice there's an IRC chat channel too - happy to use this). I'm based in France (previously UK) so there may be some timezone differences for those living in other parts of our great big world! Thanks Simon

I've heard a lot of stories of malevolent tulpas, and I just want to know how often this happens. The tulpas usually turn evil after their imposition becomes perfect. Also, what could ever cause a tulpa that was once good, to become evil and want to cause harm to the host and others?

I will at some point in the near future try to force a tulpa, this will document that, for now it's just some stuff, I am very anxious about not being maximally informed before I do something so this might get indefinitely postponed I have read about "imposition" and "visualizing" and I have done these things before with no practice because evidently I am a tulpamancy prodigy and will be spoken of for years to come, or I have what people sometimes call an active imagination, in recent times this has followed the trend of my mind turning into TV static (this may be from that diet induced ADHD I have read about on this forum, I have a notoriously poor diet but I do not change, in both diet and body shape) so I can still visualize and impose (the latter I have been working on more because I am touch-starved) somewhat well it can just be a little fuzzy at times and the channel changes on its own intermittently, but I can still do it well. Imposition is definitely the weaker of the two but that's probably because I haven't been doing it for most of my life and if (when!) I finally decide to mance a tulpa it may help to have a second mind on the job. Finally onto the actual list of traits I want in my tulpa, to be expanded of course, in a later post. Wise, I already kinda knew I wanted this but it was solidified when TurboSimmie commented on it I don't know how to phrase this without it sounding a little strange but I would like the tulpa body that is fashioned to be at least somewhat pleasant to look at, I am horrid at most things relating to faces so I hope that the tulpa can fill that gap for me I am really bad at personality trait stuff, very unfortunate, I can probably get it straight in my head after a couple pondering sessions, so I'd like them to be good at the stuff that I'm bad at I know I was told not to do this but a little insanity goes a long way to complement an already sufficient personality, and it will make them more interesting to talk to, which cannot hurt (I can think of one or two ways that it can actually) better memory than me, this isn't asking for much, I assure you I'll get more stuff down later, but for now I need to sleep, assuming I didn't forget something in which case I will add an addendum to this post lest it keep me awake all night

Do topics initially discussed while forcing a tulpa have any effects on their future personality? For now what I'm monologuing about has been fairly mundane and I have not spoken about anything that I would not say to my mother, but if I did (not to say that I will) would it affect their personality? Like if I spoke about hubcaps too often would that suddenly become a core part of their personality once they gain sentience?

[align=justify]Daily thread #19 We mentioned this in the MBTI personality thread, but I figure it'll get buried, and I think this topic is worth its own thread. We think MBTI is overrated and you can easily get a different result each time, so it's not the best measure of personality. What we personally prefer are the Enneagram personalities. There are 9 types instead of 16, so there's a lot less room to get a different result each time, and the different results are more unique from each other, with some similar groupings. It also explains how each personality might behave if it's positive, neutral, or negative. The nine personality types are [hidden] One - The Reformer: "Ones are conscientious and ethical, with a strong sense of right and wrong. They are teachers, crusaders, and advocates for change: always striving to improve things, but afraid of making a mistake. Well-organized, orderly, and fastidious, they try to maintain high standards, but can slip into being critical and perfectionistic. They typically have problems with resentment and impatience. At their Best: wise, discerning, realistic, and noble. Can be morally heroic." Two - The Helper: "Twos are empathetic, sincere, and warm-hearted. They are friendly, generous, and self-sacrificing, but can also be sentimental, flattering, and people-pleasing. They are well-meaning and driven to be close to others, but can slip into doing things for others in order to be needed. They typically have problems with possessiveness and with acknowledging their own needs. At their Best: unselfish and altruistic, they have unconditional love for others." Three - The Achiever: "Threes are self-assured, attractive, and charming. Ambitious, competent, and energetic, they can also be status-conscious and highly driven for advancement. They are diplomatic and poised, but can also be overly concerned with their image and what others think of them. They typically have problems with workaholism and competitiveness. At their Best: self-accepting, authentic, everything they seem to be—role models who inspire others." Four - The Individualist: "Fours are self-aware, sensitive, and reserved. They are emotionally honest, creative, and personal, but can also be moody and self-conscious. Withholding themselves from others due to feeling vulnerable and defective, they can also feel disdainful and exempt from ordinary ways of living. They typically have problems with melancholy, self-indulgence, and self-pity. At their Best: inspired and highly creative, they are able to renew themselves and transform their experiences." Five - The Investigator: "Fives are alert, insightful, and curious. They are able to concentrate and focus on developing complex ideas and skills. Independent, innovative, and inventive, they can also become preoccupied with their thoughts and imaginary constructs. They become detached, yet high-strung and intense. They typically have problems with eccentricity, nihilism, and isolation. At their Best: visionary pioneers, often ahead of their time, and able to see the world in an entirely new way." Six - The Loyalist: "The committed, security-oriented type. Sixes are reliable, hard-working, responsible, and trustworthy. Excellent "troubleshooters," they foresee problems and foster cooperation, but can also become defensive, evasive, and anxious—running on stress while complaining about it. They can be cautious and indecisive, but also reactive, defiant and rebellious. They typically have problems with self-doubt and suspicion. At their Best: internally stable and self-reliant, courageously championing themselves and others." Seven - The Enthusiast: "Sevens are extroverted, optimistic, versatile, and spontaneous. Playful, high-spirited, and practical, they can also misapply their many talents, becoming over-extended, scattered, and undisciplined. They constantly seek new and exciting experiences, but can become distracted and exhausted by staying on the go. They typically have problems with impatience and impulsiveness. At their Best: they focus their talents on worthwhile goals, becoming appreciative, joyous, and satisfied." Eight - The Challenger: "Eights are self-confident, strong, and assertive. Protective, resourceful, straight-talking, and decisive, but can also be ego-centric and domineering. Eights feel they must control their environment, especially people, sometimes becoming confrontational and intimidating. Eights typically have problems with their tempers and with allowing themselves to be vulnerable. At their Best: self- mastering, they use their strength to improve others' lives, becoming heroic, magnanimous, and inspiring." Nine - The Peacemaker: "Nines are accepting, trusting, and stable. They are usually creative, optimistic, and supportive, but can also be too willing to go along with others to keep the peace. They want everything to go smoothly and be without conflict, but they can also tend to be complacent, simplifying problems and minimizing anything upsetting. They typically have problems with inertia and stubbornness. At their Best: indomitable and all-embracing, they are able to bring people together and heal conflicts." [/hidden] [/align] In-depth descriptions of each of these types can be found here. If you'd like, read them and report which type you think each of your systemmates are and why. Maybe it'll give some insight on your system, or at least be fun and neat to think about! Also, each type will have a slant to either adjacent type, so for example a dominant type One might have type Two as their secondary type, making them a 1w2, and having a type 9 as their secondary type would be a 1w9. Also something to look into aside from just the 9 categories if interested. (All daily threads can be found here.) Our system's types are: Apollo: 1w2 (Reformer, Advocate) Piano: 5w6 (Investigator, Problem Solver) Luxio: 9w8 (Peacemaker, Referee) (He used to be a type Eight before his long stasis) Me: 7w6 (Enthusiast, Entertainer) Radio: 4w5 (Individualist, Bohemian)

okay look. me and wish have been living for like idk half a year ish? now and wish used to be this really really different personality from mine, lol. lately she's been like me, so much that even though i KNOW its her talking/doing smth it feels like its ME. i know that friends do this shit too, ive seen my 😂☺️😊 humor friend turn into a 😭💀🗿 after hanging out with some kids from my class and i KNOW that you can rub off on your friend/vice versa. i do know when wish is talking, and when it's me, but it's getting harder to tell because she's starting to be as snarky as me and stuff, and im also starting to be like her!!!! so sometimes i would worry excessively if im "parroting" even though its probably not. even wish tells me that its nothing. has anyone else had this happen to them too??? i really don't want to personality force or anything like that cause i like wish the way she is, yk... dont wanna change what came naturally. just need some tips to rly know when its me, and when its her.

A lot of guides I've read have suggested writing a short story about my Tulpa, to familiarise myself with their personality, and see how they react in certain situations, etc. However, I see a lot of people saying not to parrot/puppet my Tulpa, or base them on a fictional character, because they won't understand what is real and what was the fictional event. Am I just being paranoid, or what? I would be creating a fictional story about my Tulpa, and that can't be good for their perception of self, right?

Would creating a story where you and your tulpa share together be a good idea? Like making a story up with two people, you ask, or feel what your tulpa would do in this story, it similar to a rp, but in this case you'd invoke your tulpas imagination aswell. I think that a deep plot with an elaborated world with rules and all, would help you learn about your tulpa and at the same time you'd be sharing with him/her.

To give examples, when I was very little Jamie took me to the book store and said I could buy any book I wanted for myself, and I bought Mind Platter by Najwa Zebian, a book of poetry. And that poetry shaped my viewpoint and was an influence on me. I also started watching Star Trek when I was like a month old and that's a big part of me- the base of my appearance was the actor playing a child version of Captain Picard in an episode I saw. When I was a little older, there was a christian song in the recommended videos of youtube, and Jamie let me choose every other song as we listened to music on the bus. Even though he really didn't want to listen to the song, it was my choice and eventually I listened to it, and then it became one of my favorites (in part because it was a difference between me and Jamie) and I started listening to more and more gospel music. At the same time I started reading from a self-help site that's Christian in nature and a lot of these influences is what helped me get in touch with my spirituality and eventually convert to Christianity. Things probably would have played out very different if I was never exposed to gospel music and Christian self-help views. It's fitting the song goes "Step into the water, wade out a little bit deeper..." I also came into J's life three days before his hamster died, his hamster who was his first pet and who was kinda like his buddy/confidant. So one of my first memories ever is watching him burying the hamster and I think it did affect me a lot and made me think about death and how bonds are made and broken. I imagine that a lot of tulpas have things like this. Maybe a show or a thing you did when you were young that was like your first experience. What do you think shaped your personality, outside of your host's direct influences? I'm mostly asking because I think a lot of it could help young tulpas and their hosts. We've been giving out the advice to new hosts that they should have their tulpas read books for themselves for a while. Cassidy

So I was thinking recently about creating a tulpa, I researched it and stuff. I found some information that partly answered my questions, but not fully. I wanna be sure that I am understanding this correctly and get some more details. So, I am on self improvement right now, and I think a tulpa might help me with motivation to work out, meditate, etc. I just wanna have a "gym bro" who would encourage me, and congratulate me on my achievements. I don't have such a person in real life. Also, besides that, I am a pretty strange guy, (not in a creepy way) like, many of things I'm interested in and care about are contraversial. They are too deep/boring for my friends. It would be really awesome to have someone who understands and helps me. So, will tulpamancy help me with that? Are they helpful for something else, so I can be convinced even more? Are there any downsides? Thanks.

Hello! I’ll introduce myself. I’m Ashley, and I only just started creating Andromeda yesterday. I’ll post my progress on here quite often, but excuse me if I forget. So for several years, since I was about 12, I have wanted to have someone else in my mind with me. At the time, the reason wasn’t exactly clear to me as it is now. As it is, I discovered tulpas around a month ago. I was hooked right away, but I knew I should look in to it further, read guides, see others experiences, etc. I found many useful guides and I couldn’t wait any longer, so I’ve started! At this time, Andromeda is a female with a human-like shape but she has elf ears and the ability to grow wings if she chooses. I am aware she will most likely deviate, and I welcome that. Without further ado, I will put my first and second sessions below. ——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Session 1 Date: Friday 19th March I drew her form and started to make a model of her in my mind. This was over the course of the day, and I didn’t do much else for her as I knew I needed to set some time aside to properly visualise her. Session 2 Date: Saturday 20th March So today, I visualised her whole form and animated her to make sure it was stable. This took me 30-45 minutes as I had already made a base of her yesterday. I then made a cabin-like room to have as a place to meet her in our wonderland, and I started with her personality. I decided to keep it quite vague as I’d like her to be able to form her personality as she grows older, but I gave her a base. I did this by giving her jelly of different colours and explained them and how it would affect her. I then showed her different parts of the cabin and what they do. Then, I said that she could decide to have more of any jelly she wanted if she’d like and she can experiment with the things in there. ——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— I have not had any reactions yet, par head pressure. But I am glad that she has already progressed this far and I’m aware that it takes a long time for more interpretable reactions, but this is okay as I am just glad she’s here and I am willing to help her in any way. I don’t mind if it takes a few weeks or a few years for her to be vocal, it does not change my view on her. I hope I’m doing this right? I do not want to hinder her or harm her in any way, I want to nurture and support her. Thank you for reading, and I hope this isn’t too long for a newbie. c: