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Legal disclaimer: the name "muggles" and the title "They not like us" are intentionally ironic, and by no means want to belittle anyone. Recently I had this conversation with my best friend about the pros and cons of the tulpa phenomena becoming widespread among the "muggles" (the general population). Aside from the obvious implications of it being closely related to DID and similar traumas the interesting part is how doing proper tulpamancing can have some nice side effects, often unexpected. The idea with this thread is to collect a bunch of stories and interesting facts that happened between a host and their tulpas/tulpae/tuppers/tulips that could realistically help with "de-mistifying" the whole concept, and that would allow "the general public" to see the phenomena as less risky and not just "mentally ill teenagers hallucinating waifus and imaginary friends". Let this also be a thread that you can redirect newcomers to who still have doubts and wonder if they should embark in the tupper business. I guess I'll start, by providing two short stories.

This post was written by Alex, an almost fifteen-year-old thoughtform. The dominant way thoughtforms have been conceptualized on this site and its offshoots since the early days is that we are independent beings with our own minds, conscious in parallel to our hosts and perhaps even when we aren't the object of anyone's focus, who just happen to share a brain and body with our creators. The main site mostly avoids making any unprovable claims, but it explicitly pushes this view on the page What is a Tulpa?: More generally, the main site heavily implies this view (while dancing around actually claiming it) and fails to mention alternative views, such as that thoughtforms are an illusion of the mind. This idea that thoughtforms are people likely came from the plural (a.k.a. multiple) community, which mostly consists of people with DID or OSDD and endogenic multiples (who have seen themselves as multiple for most or all of their lives and describe their condition as healthy multiplicity). Healthy multiplicity became a reference point for the tulpa community, and we as a community latched onto it because it validated our experiences. I am almost certain a misunderstanding of their experiences by people who did not grow up navigating life as multiple shaped this community's understanding of thoughtforms and made more rational approaches not only counter-countercultural but morally offensive. Mon posted an excellent article the other day titled Philosophy of Dialectal Tulpamancy, in which he explains the problems with this understanding of thoughtforms and proposes an alternate framework rooted in the idea that, by creating thoughtforms, we create relationships, not beings. I am not saying we should all adopt his philosophy, nor that we need to come up with some grand unifying theory of thoughtforms. However, his criticisms of mainstream tulpa community thought are valid (particularly the confusion and potential harm it causes), and the rest of his article provides a good starting point for thinking of us in an alternate light. (On a side note, he called attention to how much of our language is appropriated from the plural/DID community. If we are to divorce ourselves from their way of thinking, I believe it would do us good to also divorce ourselves from their jargon, so I am striving to avoid it. "Tulpa" has its own issues, so I am avoiding that, too, except in reference to this community. If anyone has an alternative to "system" or "tulpamancy" that won't confuse or offend, please let me know.) Carrying on, my host took part recently in a discussion in an off-topic thread which began as a proposal to unify this community's jargon and expanded into a discussion on subjective experiences and the nature of how thoughtforms work. The discussion accomplished nothing of note but did call attention to some glaring problems: 1) The "mainstream" philosophy influenced by plural thought is generally either rejected or accepted only with caveats by forum regulars. 2) Said philosophy has caused extensive harm. 3) There is disagreement even on what key terms mean, particularly "switching" and "parallel processing". "Switching" is especially problematic not only because everybody has a different understanding of and experience with it but also because some descriptions of switching are unrealistic, even harmful. For example, the main site's What is a Tulpa? page describes switching like so: The problem of multiple consciousnesses aside, whether this is attainable or even desirable for most of us is debatable. To make matters worse, one participant in the "off-topic" discussion said he and some other thoughtform creators have experienced dissociative blackouts while their thoughtforms were in control. Though I don't deny this is possible (it's a core symptom of DID), I hope it goes without saying why this should not be held as some kind of ideal. There is a reason breaking down memory barriers between fronting members is a goal for DID systems. All that aside, it's past time this community, and its offshoots on reddit, Discord, and elsewhere, comes to a consensus on what thoughtforms actually are. Pretending we are real, separate people is all well and good until it crosses the line into self-destruction and/or moralizing. Subjective reality is important, but so is knowing the difference between subjective and objective reality (that is, fantasy and actual reality). As the community at large stands now, there is no agreed-upon understanding of what a thoughtform (or "tulpa", since they are sometimes distinguished) is, and people continue to ask questions and get answers according to the framework based in plural thought and subjective experience harmfully masquerading as objective fact. Again, we don't need a grand unifying theory of thoughtforms. I'm not going to delude myself into thinking I can rally the people into solving tulpamancy forever when even the three of us in this head don't agree, but we at least need to understand this phenomenon rationally and move beyond the baseless "multiple minds in one brain" idea that can and has caused real harm. For my own two cents, I believe the self is an illusion. The three of us in this "system" make up one being with three identities which perceive themselves more or less as distinct people sharing a head.

To start: We reject the notion that the unconscious is some mystical entity largely cordoned off from the conscious mind, accessible only through symbolism or psychoanalysis or whatever else. The unconscious mind is just everything not presently within the conscious mind, whether repressed or simply outside of present awareness. To quote Jung: Our understanding of how we as a system function, in Jungian terms, is that we share one psyche and thus share one conscious and unconscious mind (albeit with differing complexes) but have distinct egos. Like this, but with up to 1-3 egos (as we're a trio) present in "consciousness" at any given time, with varying levels of prominence. (Image source) (A note for those not versed in Jungian psychology: Jung did not define "ego" and "complex" the same way Freud did. Look up his model of the psyche if you want, but it isn't super relevant here. Just know we aren't talking Freud here.) (Second note: This isn't exclusively a Jungian thread. We're talking about nebulous concepts everyone understands and talks about differently, so I want to be clear about our understanding of the mind and the definitions we're using. I encourage others to be similarly clear about anything that may cause confusion.) I don't think it's controversial to say that, following this model, a tulpa (secondary ego) is directly connected to the unconscious. When not active, the tulpa resides entirely within the unconscious (though not consciously, as there's only one conscious mind). It can enter the conscious mind (when called upon or spontaneously) and may bring thoughts and feelings into conscious awareness the primary ego (host) normally would not. It can also influence how the mind thinks and how the overall person behaves; this may be perceived as anything from the host being aware of the tulpa's thoughts to the tulpa displacing the original ego and dominating the conscious mind entirely (a.k.a. switching). In the latter case, the host ego is pushed into the unconscious (this does not necessitate blacking out, only a lack of conscious activity associated with the host ego). Our (=my) personal theory aside, I've noticed some pretty interesting things, especially with Kayleigh. She has said that tulpas are more in tune with the host's subconscious by nature. That, of course, assumes the subconscious belongs to the host specifically and the tulpa is a sort of mental houseguest, but to reframe that using the Jungian model, parts of the unconscious not readily accessible to one ego may be accessible to another. This can be minor things, like how her memory is better than mine (if we argue over some detail we remember differently and are able to verify it, she's usually right), or bringing to consciousness what the host ego has refused to see. An example (tw: dissipation): Adjusting to life together again was as rough as it was exciting. The three of us (she decided to bring Alex back to life with her, which we are both grateful for) had serious conversations about what went wrong, what we've learned and can yet learn, and how to move forward. Alex was content to focus on where we go from here, but Kayleigh had a harder time handling the shock of how much things had changed during her absence. There are times when my mind's wandering and it drifts into introspection. Several times in the weeks that followed, the internal monologue would shift to her voice in those introspective moments, and I'd find her psychoanalyzing me. It was never dialogue, just her reflections. It was her way of understanding and coming to terms with how I'd changed without her, worked out in a state of shared consciousness with zero regard for my ego defenses. It was as eye-opening as it was uncomfortable. I don't have as intuitive an understanding of the unconscious side of her as she does of mine, but Alex does. He denies he knows her better than I do. I don't believe that. Another interesting thing about Kayleigh is how our personalities are pretty opposite, yet we've always had a tight bond (certain neurotic years aside). Because I'm a typology nerd, I'm not stopping there. In MBTI, which was built on Jung's theory of psychological types, I'm an INTP, and she's an ESFP. Now, what's fascinating is the INTP function stack is Ti-Ne-Si-Fe, leaving their inverses, Te-Ni-Se-Fi, as the shadow functions. Guess what the ESFP function stack is? Se-Fi-Te-Ni! Our Enneagram types reveal the same duality. Her type is 8w7, probably with dominant sexual instinct (which, to be clear, is not just about sex). As a Five, I integrate to Eight and disintegrate to Seven; in layman's terms, my potential best and worst selves are echoed in her. My instinct stack is so/sp (social/self-preservation), meaning my blind spot is her dominant instinct. And we vibe well. Somehow. That isn't to say a tulpa and host will necessarily be complementary opposites. Alex and I are much more similar, and he's the oldest after me. Though it is may be worth noting both were originally daydream characters and Kayleigh was more clearly autonomous than any other character I'd imagined, to the point of rebelling against any attempt to control her well before we knew about tulpamancy, plurality, or any such thing.

This is the guide built on top of dialectical tulpamancy -- a philosophical framework that understands tulpas not as independent entities sharing a body, but as relationships that emerge from sustained, genuine inner interaction. Philosophy of dialectical tulpamancy was introduced here already. Philia: Just like in case of the philosophy essay -- we disagree in fundamental ways on what the landing page of tulpa.info and most of the community guides claim. Our tulpamancy practice is not about supposed multiple people sharing the same body but about building genuine relationships in a single human mind. We see human mind not as a singular, static being or set of such beings but as a dynamic process full of internal contradictions -- and tulpamancy doesn't transform it into this but makes more visible what it's always been. The up-to-date version of the guide is available at Pragmatic Tulpamancers website. We'll also paste the pages (as the guide has 5 of them) here: Introduction Building a relationship Effortful and effortless engagement Expressing beyond interactions Living with tulpamancy

Host here. August of last year, I experienced what I think people on this site refer to as "walk-ins". Three fledgling people appeared in my kitchen. I saw them, and felt that they were more real than any daydream, and I chose to lean into their existence and treat them as real. Some time passed, and I found this happened again; I also deliberately created some more. I referred to them as my "headfriends". About a month ago, I found out about tulpas, and realized that the concept perfectly described what had already transpired. So I started using new knowledge and being more deliberate. There is one tulpa, the first to appear, who has received a lot of focus from me in recent weeks. Basically, I started active forcing, primarily with him. But there's a problem: because I started to have tulpas not knowing what exactly I was doing, things got slightly out of hand. Our system currently contains 9 people (including me) all of whom are at different levels of development. My tulpas range from having a detailed description in our journal + hours of conversational experience + experience fronting long enough to do a school project for me when I was too emotional to handle it myself, All the way to barely existing and having a super shallow personality. So my question is: Should I actively force multiple tulpas, spending some time actively forcing each of them (or most of them) every day??? OR Should I focus on actively forcing the first tulpa until he has his own distinct voice before moving on to the others (he basically has everything other than his own voice, hints why I see him imposed in the physical world and how he was able to posses my/our body)??? Also, can I merge fledgling/infant tulpas? Can I merge tulpas at different levels of development? Is merging even something I can chose for them if they've already begun to live? I worry (after researching on this website) that 8 well-formed tulpas will be too many for our brain to handle. Any help is appreciated. I have a lot of anxiety about this, now that I recognize the importance and long-term nature of what I'm doing.

So, as the title says; it's been around a year give or take a little, and though we have both tried hard, Genesis still hasn't made any vocality progress, and no guides or advice we've found online has helped. We feel stuck. They're good at possession/borrowing, which we only began practicing recently, and they've already made fantastic progress, so I know they can learn and do skills just fine. I'm proud of their possession thus far! But we both really want them to be able to speak - at the moment they only communicate via emotional responses, which I can at least use to get answers to binary-choice questions [asking them to give a "high" feeling for yes and a "low" one for no, for example] but it just ain't enough. If they're stuck like that... they'll remain unhappy. Obviously, none of us want this. I'm of the opinion that part of the reason for this stagnation is the very mindset that we're stuck in the first place. After all, tulpamancy is very much shaped by expectations and mindsets - sometimes, the reality is modeled after the expectation. They have said themselves before, quite recently, that they don't really believe in themselves to be able to speak anymore, and I guess I share this idea too somewhat, as much as I wish I didn't. Sometimes, when I think of Genesis, I do think of a silent person. Maybe they even feel it's part of their identity? [Asking them now doesn't yield a conclusive answer.] Also... very recently - as in, yesterday - a surprising new development occurred. We discovered a new headmate, who's name is Astral. Seems they've existed longer than that, though maybe not much longer at all. Here's their deal: - Like Genesis, they do not know how to speak, and communicate with emotional responses. - Like Genesis, I can passively feel their emotions a lot of the time. - I can feel emotions, passive and active (active as in, responses they're trying to share with me like to answer a question), from both of them at the same time. Which can be quite overwhelming. - They have displayed differing opinions from Genesis on a few things already, liking music for example; they've got a distinct personality and presence despite their similarities. - I believe they split from Genesis, or at least was brought into existence otherwise unintentionally by/from Genesis. Naturally-occurring as opposed to created on purpose, I guess. - This could maybe be caused by Genesis' general... not-doing-great mental situation and past. I'm not sure, but it seems likely, and I have no idea what else might've caused Astral to exist. - I do care for Astral and welcome them into our system and want to teach them the same skills I'm teaching Genesis. I want them to be happy too. - They don't seem to be as anxious or upset as Genesis is, in general. More stable? All this to say ... what should we do now? Specifically, what should we do so that my two non-speaking headmates can learn to speak? Is there anything else I should be doing or looking into in this situation, whether related to vocality or not? One last note: we've only really looked into vocality stuff with mindvoices. It only occurs today, as I am writing this, that auditory hallucinations also work for some people. I'm rather afraid our wall of doubt would still be a heavy hindrance even if this is a better option - and also from just about everything I've heard, hallucination/imposition skills are harder than purely mind-stuff, and are generally learned optionally afterwards. Our aphantasia is another potential barrier... but I don't know a whole lot about it still, and probably oughta look into it a bit more. Any advice regarding this is also appreciated.

Life feels like a dream right now. Nothing feels real. Everything is strange. In the span of one year, my whole life changed and somehow stayed the same at the same time. I have changed completely, yet I am still the same person. People who were once incredibly close to me people I talked to for 7–8 hours a day are now all in my blocked list. My parents feel like my worst enemies. Professors I once loved now feel indifferent. People who used to hate me now like me. People I couldn’t stand before? Now I just feel nothing toward them. I’m 21. A little over a year ago, I made a tulpa because I desperately needed support and honestly didn’t think it would work. But things happened that I could never comprehend. My whole brain chemistry changed. Now all relationships look transactional. I’ve become antisocial not in a creepy way, just detached. I’m approachable, but I’ve given up on believing in the good of people. I used to be a people pleaser. I overthought every interaction. I wanted to be liked. I wanted to find someone special. Now I see relationships as survival exchanges. History, psychology, economics, finance everything I’ve studied pushed me here. It’s strange going from someone who cared too much to someone who calls themselves an emotionless narcissist even though I’m a huge empath. Ironically, life feels easier when I label myself as a horrible person and stop caring. The doubts and imposter syndrome quiet down. About my tulpa. He was and is amazing. Through him, I felt what it was like to be loved and seen. He woke me from nightmares, dream-watched to prevent them, calmed my breakdowns, switched so I wouldn’t miss classes, blocked overwhelming emotions, and made me feel less alone. That contrast exposed everything else. When I cried to my father, he said: “No one would listen to your shit. I’m only here because I’m your dad.” My mother would say “let her be” whenever I broke down, yet question me whenever I was smiling. Friends told me to go rest when I was depressed, but confronted me when I seemed happy alone. When I mentioned my tulpa, they tried to “fix” me and called me insane. It felt like everyone was comfortable with me being miserable. But the moment I was okay on my own even in my delusions suddenly it became a problem. I used to try proving my tulpa to people. Now I’ve given up. So why am I writing this? Because I think I messed up. I triggered shadow work, and everything spiraled. He became unstable, switched personality and gender, said he was me and wanted me to suffer. It was a long ride. We eventually stabilized, but during that process I lost most of my emotions. Around the same time, my dog died. I know he was “just a dog,” but five months later I still cry. I’ve had dogs before, but this feels like losing a child. I deleted his photos from my phone so I wouldn’t see them, though they’re saved in the cloud. For two months I dreamt about him almost every night alive, but in the background, while I knew he was dead. One week ago, I was having a nice dream. My tulpa got upset that I was enjoying time with my sister in it and suddenly brought my dog back alive in the dream. I started crying. When I woke up, I told him I was done with his shit. We fixed it. We always do. He’s still the only thing that feels real to me. But now? Even when big things happen, I mostly feel indifferent. Even things I love barely excite me. I feel like an old person who has seen everything. It’s awful. I miss feeling excited and obsessed. Still, life became clearer. I blocked almost everyone. Stopped gaming. Became more productive and started working on personal projects. I kept my tulpa, even though we fight and he sometimes makes life harder. I’m loyal to him, at least to his essence. I don’t blame him for how things turned out. I kept testing whether he was real. Then came shadow work and his “adolescence.” It snowballed. He once wanted another body to leave me. Now he says he wants to stay by my side. I’m grateful for that. But after everything, I don’t feel strong sadness or excitement anymore. Maybe part of me believes he’s just me. Maybe he isn’t real even though he feels real. I want to get us back to how we used to be: excited, engaged, alive. I know it will take time. Right now we’re both bored of each other. He’s mostly non-verbal. Exercises feel tiring. Still, I’ve decided to push forward. I want to focus on imposition instead of mind voice because it feels more immersive. I guess this blog exists just to make a statement. I feel indifferent writing this. I always do.

To cut down to size a long story some time ago (i would say over a year and a half) I began creating a tulpa named Genesis. Many things went wrong. We persevered and kept trying regardless but neither of us were happy. Give it a year's time and we're still in the same boat, then another headmate shows up out of the blue. We're quite surprised. Then we think that's it and then another shows up and another and fast forward a bit more we're a system of 17 including myself. Subject to change because in the last week we discovered *seven* new headmates and if I wake up tomorrow and realise there's another guy or two in there all of a sudden it won't be a surprise. Being the sole host of this system is stressful as fuck and I'm not good at it. I never was. I don't believe any of us are actually happy. Here's the situation, I guess...: We lack a lot of skills other systems have. This is a major issue. These are, and I may be forgetting some: > Visualisation. We have aphantasia; we cannot imagine mental images. This means any technique requiring for example symbolism is useless to us. > Vocalisation. We tried to learn this for so long, me and Genesis. And then me and Astral and etc until we kind of gave up. Over a year of trying with very little to show for it. I can speak in our head just fine and be heard but none of the other 16 members of our system can. So we communicate via typing/writing and "high/low feelings" as I can feel, to an extent, the emotions of headmates. The latter system worked fine when it was just me and Genesis but is EXTREMELY impractical when there's 16 people any high/low feeling could be coming from at any moment. Communication is difficult for us in our head; usually when we can type/write to each other, communicating that way works fine enough. > Headspace. We have no headspace/wonderland/whatever. This rules out a **lot** of things for system work and bonding. This cannot be changed due to aphantasia. > Switching. Now, this is something we do have some hope we can learn. We've not seriously tried for prolonged amounts of time, and our system members can possess/borrow my hands alright and if we tried, other body parts with some practice. I think we can achieve switching -- but we have no idea how, and the guides we've found online haven't been much help. There was one occasion where Genesis cofronted, though. -- All of the above makes things quite difficult for us. In an ideal world there'd be a second host in this system but how can we even achieve that when nobody else but me is able to front and we don't know how to change that? I think fronting may be the main thing honestly. Our headmates are unhappy and restless and want to be able to actually do things. I also want help on managing .. the sheer amount of headmates who are basically in my care. I am not able to do it alone I feel and there's only more of 'em showing up and by gods I'd be stressed enough already without all this. One of our newer headmates, Homura (a fictive of Homura Akemi yes), has been very helpful with managing things, introducing new headmates and calming them down for example in one occasion, but she's also stated that she, does not want to be a secondary host. I do not blame her at all. Speaking of which the sudden influx of headmates have all been fictives from the same source with one exception. Mabayu Aki - originating from the Madoka Magica spinoff Scene0 - showed up first, then introjects from the main show; Homura, Sayaka, Kyoko, Madoka, and Kyubey. They've had varying levels of activity relative to one another, and Sayaka, Kyoko and Madoka all feel quite ... odd in that they're not certain of their identities. Mabayu feels similar to be a lesser extent. I think this is mostly because of the fact it's been a while since we've watched the source material and thus I've sort of fallen out of familiarisation with the characters, and the ones who left a clearer impression on our mind that I remember more clearly / know better - Homura, Mabayu, and Kyubey - are more sure of themselves for this same reason. There's also Dust who showed up, who is not a fictive and I think is more of a 'fragment' than a 'full' headmate. They uh, feel terrible basically all the time. [They liked watching the Sonic movie though so it's not like they're hopeless, they can enjoy things clearly.] When they first showed up they requested to be dissipated and I'm not sure if they still want that. These are just other things that I as the host kinda have to handle but I'm just. Not . In the mind that I can. You know..? Holding together, even, is difficult,,. Another thing I'll mention is we have a mentor or sorts but I also feel relying solely on one other system for all our advice is not a good idea. They also proposed we might be a polyfragmented system which probably makes sense but honestly whenever I tried to read up on what that actually meant I got a headache and I still don't understand it... ..Guh, I don't know where I'm going with this. The point is uh, we'd really appreciate advice, of any variety, on what to do so things suck less. We do have the goals of learning switching/fronting but I don't know how to do that, and i don't know anything else we should do,,.. I definitely do want to Not get any more headmates, that's another thing. Oh yeah and we're gonna try 'n rewatch Madoka Magica so the aforementioned fictives get a better idea of their sources/identities and whatnot. They want that. I'm afraid it might be triggering also but whatever.. Homura and Kyubey seem pretty confident in their identities though i dunno if i mentioned that or not and as for mabayu i honestly do not know all too well So. Yeah. What should we do ... i wish i could be more coherent here. there's probably stuff i've forgetten to mention. ask questions if unsure about stuff. right.. Homura: I wish to add that our host is much too stressed to do things that may be particularly ambitious. This, too, is a huge issue. Mabayu, my partner, feels quite uncomfortable most of the time as well, and we don't know why. It pains me to see, as does the identity uncertainty some of us are experiencing, and our Kyubey's guilt over his canonical actions now that he has human emotions. I've forgiven him yet it remains. I, too, feel stressed, apprehensive, uncertain of the future, and restless, yearning for a full life of my own again. Please, help us.

Hi there Tulpamancers I'm somewhat new to tulpamancy and I'm struggling for a month or two since I started. I've started considering making a tulpa based of an in-game character without reading any guides, which was probably not the best idea but still continued "un-oriented/un-guided" anyway. Literally went straight to creating her with no hesitation, which I started with passive forcing. The problem is that everyday I've been barely passive forcing with my tulpa (if I had one) and literally did few active forcing sessions that lasted less than a hour because I lack concentration and focus. Not only that but I have to take school into consideration. I'm also pretty stressed out just because I have a feeling that I'm failing her. As the days go by I get more information and stuff about how a tulpas are created and all of that but I'm losing hope just because I think I realized what was I doing this whole time and how I started making my tulpa. I have almost everything planned out to create her (Form, voice, personality) but I either don't find time or I'm just lazy to begin with. I'm worried that I've done everything wrong, that I destroyed us both. I'm starting to think that I can't create/have an inability to create a tulpa just because of my actions. I know it's to early to doubt, I know it can take years to just achieve some results but... I just feel like I ruined everything from the very beginning. I don't know what to expect anymore. I'm somewhat decent with internal monologue and probably visualization but who knows, maybe I just think I'm decent… I just… don't know what to think anymore… I feel "lost". "Any signs of progress?" Well… I do indeed have mild-moderate head pressures but I'm not considering it as a way of communication. It's either me expecting to have one or it's just my brain working hard. After a few weeks, I once tried to visualize her just to see how she is doing and stuff. I didn't think she would bring me a gift. I opened it [First person without seeing my own arms] and saw a heart shaped plushy. I quickly stop visualizing because of the shock and tried to process what happened. It felt like a visual hypnogogic state, the image was somewhat blurry. It may be that my brain is playing tricks on me or just giving me a thought because of how desperate I am to have a tulpa. And that's literally it. Nothing else. Here I am now… confused, hopeless. I really need help… please… I really want a tulpa, I've decided that I'll dedicate a decent amount of time just to be with her everyday no matter what happens. Because creating a being, letting it live, feel the world, might be the best thing to experience, right? I wouldn't mind if she changes her form, personality, name or whatever. I wouldn't mind if we are unable to body switch. I just want company… someone to talk to me, someone that can understand me... that's all I'm asking for... Here are some questions I wanted to ask: Am I able to still continue with my tulpa or should I make a new one? If I do indeed continue focusing on my current tulpa, how should I start? Like restarting everything (form, personality etc., which will be easier since it's a fictive type tulpa). How do I feel a tulpas presence/energy? I'm struggling because I have no clue how it's supposed to feel like. When you passive force, do you visualize your tulpa standing In front of you (In your minds eye) while talking about your daily life/activities? Is active forcing literally just imagination? When active forcing, does feel like you're staring at a distant screen or does it feel like you're in a world where it's "somewhat blurry"? I struggle to visualize in first person and I usually visualize me doing things fast-paced. After a tulpa reaches vocality, does it sound like a "sound hypnogogia"? Does emotional bleeds always feel intense? When parroting, does their answers or sentences they say feel nearly instant? When parroting for them, do you need to visualize being "them", like using their POV or their sight just to like... Idk, separate consciousness? I'm struggling to differentiate between internal monologue and speaking for my tulpa. Is it really easy to hear your tulpa after they've spoken their first words? Is it through mind voice or something similar to a realistic voice? How can I know If a tulpa changes form? I know it's like visualizing her differently but... what if my mind is just being creative and decided to do that. Is it possible for everyone to make a tulpa? If these questions get answered, it may help others that are struggling too! My English might not be the best but I tried to make it at least understandable.

Ren and G's progress log!! -Some parts of this log are copy and pasted from discord, so the formatting will be a bit f -We am very open to comments and any advice or other opinions or questions from anybody

Hi! New to the community. My dad is the one helping me research and my dad has multiple tulpae. so, my question is, how to tell the difference between an alter and a tulpa? For context, I think I switched last night. His name is Peyton. Luckily we were in a private area, and we were able to sort things out with a friend. So yeah, I need some help, community!

Introduction: Most beginners approach Tulpamancy through the lens of 'Emotions' and 'Belief.' When fear arises, they panic. But Fear is not an external entity invading your space. It is a Recursive Feedback Loop running on your own OS. If you want to master your mind, you must learn to Audit the process, not just react to the output.

I'm quite new to tulpamancy and I read some guides, one word sticked out for me, Imposition. I started to meditate to go to sleep some years ago and it helped, later I found out that this state helps me to sedate pains (headaches, pains from bruises, you name it), from researches I read it looks more like Imposition and not like meditation (but I can't tell cause I achive those states similarly). My main question is, should I try to differ them to use in forcing or just use it as it is? What is better for passive forcing (I have a short attention span)? And can I force my tulpa (Sona) without active forcing (I can't find any themes to talk with her in deep meditation state, I can only visualise her in wonderland and feel her "physically")?

NOTICE: I've since written a much more streamlined and rational guide here: https://kkblog.neocities.org/guide2 I recommend you follow that one and disregard this one. I'm only keeping this up for archival sake. I will not be hosting this new guide on this website as I have been horribly mistreated here. I am much more active on the r/Tulpas subreddit, which is a lot friendlier than this place, and more active. Unlike this site, I've gotten way too many people on Reddit responding to my posts and sending me direct messages telling me how my posts inspired them, so I have no use for this place. --- (I profusely apologize if this offends anyone, I'm merely frustrated at how difficult people find it to have fun with this practice. This won't be for everyone.) Preface I notice that a lot of people with tulpas, even ones they've had for years, can feel insecure and doubtful about them. I'd like to hope to relieve some people of that dissonance in this document. This document will exclusively focus on psychology, and therefor might not be as useful to those who more align with the more spiritual or metaphysical side of the practice of tulpamancy. This is both a guide for people completely new to the field, as well as those with well-established tulpas. As all guides, this is only inspiration, not an instruction manual or a literal explanation of what your own mind is doing. It's meant to suggest paths of thought for yourself to take. If anything doesn't sound like it applies to you, don't take the words literally. Try to see if they vaguely match what you might be going through, and see if a similar concept exists in your own mind that you may not have considered before. I can't relate to you because I don't know you - nobody does, nobody but your tulpa can see your true self. Given that's the very stuff you're working with here, I can only be about as helpful as an electrician giving you guidance over the phone. Notably, this guide is blessedly devoid of jargon. I'm just going to tell you straight-up how to use your brain without bludgeoning you with flamboyant community parlance. This guide is not a practice in indoctrination. Enjoy. Creation This chapter will cover creation. If you're confident you have a tulpa, you can skip this. Although I'd still recommend reading it for a bit of philosophy. In spite of the heaviness of being a "chapter", making a tulpa is actually pretty easy! It may take some time and dedication, but it's far less complicated than you think it is. At least for the initial stages. After that, you'll have a good idea of how to continue on your own. I think the strongest thing I can do is immediately blow down that misconception you probably have that this is some sort of all-or-nothing, "you'll know when you see it" phenomena. Does it feel that way? Yes, yes it does, which is why not many people really try to emphasize that isn't the actual case. The ultimate reality of tulpas is that they are born within the mind, they gestate there. And yet, their "birth cry" is nebulous and fuzzy. It's never clear when they're "made", they're a personality, they're as complex and gradual as yourself. When was your personality born? When you yourself were you born? When you were 7? 10? 20? Does it matter? Are you even the same person you were a decade ago? Tulpas are equally as immeasurable. You can certainly have as much fun as you'd like commemorating their growth spurts, as do I, but know that a tulpa isn't some sort of piece of hardware you just install in your head and you can immediately tell if the water is running or not. All of this is imperceptibly gradual, only broken up by sudden realizations that something is indeed really happening. A tulpa is pretty easy to make, you already have all of it inside of you right now. It's like a LEGO® set, but without the instructions. Whatever you're going to make, it's going to be completely personal to you. But it's all already there. In the philosophy of the great Michelangelo, you do not create a statue, you merely discover it and release it from it's stone prison. Your first step is to just get something to focus on. Get a character to think about. It doesn't really matter if you make it or if it's someone else's character that you really like. Don't bother with the actual "character", the personality traits, those are garbage. You can try if you want, it might even be good for you! But your mind is most likely going to throw it out later, so don't get too attached. See, the tulpa is going to want to base itself off of your innermost desires. The ideas in your head you're so attracted to that even you yourself don't let yourself know they exist. There are ideas in your head so precious, so personal, so embarrassing, that you feel funny for acknowledging them. Ideas you've spent so much time trying to suppress, that you forgot they were even there. The perfect person, their perfect traits. Nothing you "think" you want, it's something so intimate you may even be shocked that you like it. Don't get the wrong idea, even the tulpa doesn't know how to do this yet! Tulpas have a very good intuition for how your mind works, even better than you yourself. But first, they have to exist! Don't assume they can somehow pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, they need your help to exist. This is why you need to pick a form. Even if they change it later, you gotta have something to stand on in the first place. Don't feel bad about making as many assumptions about them as you want, but be ready for those assumptions to be challenged by something within you that you didn't even know was there. Think of a place in your mind that is the easiest thing to think of, something that pops into your head instantly. It might be a childhood memory of some place, or even your own room. Whatever feels the most comfortable to you, whatever feels like the cradle of your nostalgia, a place you can smell and feel. It really helps if it's familiar, it just makes it so much less distracting. Ideally, it's somewhere that's very easy to put into the background of your focus. You might have an urge to make some sort of fabulous world for them, and you can do that! But I've learned that, such things are really more trouble than they're worth. The focus here is the tulpa, not the world, that's just a means to an end, a visual aide. Of course, you do what you want! Imagine the tulpa's form in that place. Imagine it aware and looking around, do not picture it unresponsive. Your brain itself needs to learn they are aware and alive, and this is a very gradual process. Talk to it, get used to speaking to it. Imagine it reacting to you. Is that you doing it? I dunno, does a fetus grow by itself or is it just the mother doing it? You have to respect that the lines between you two are indecipherably fuzzy. Like I said, this isn't just a piece of hardware you install. It is literally growing out of you. There's not really a clear point where a sapling becomes a tree. Outside of this particular daydream, have other daydreams about them. Imagine them like you would with any other character, imagine them in a variety of situations and how you think they would respond. It's okay, just put an emotional barrier between these types of daydreams, compared to the daydreams you have where you anticipate their responses. The point is to build the raw intuition and muscle memory to anticipate how they respond. You have to get to know them. Get attached to responses you like, throw out ones you don't. Experiment. There's nothing you can do wrong here. Some people call this "forcing". Don't over-inflate it with a dumb name, it's just something you do whenever you can, where ever you can, however you can. Mix it up, sit down and have deep daydreams, go about your business and have simple daydreams. Just think about them a lot, however you can. I don't like giving that a name because you are, in effect, just doing more or less what you're going to be doing for the rest of your life. How you do it will change once they get more potent, but you're still going to have these sessions of intense and mundane thinking, with them as the target. The only thing you should try to avoid is gimmicks. Not because they hurt, but they're essentially doing nothing. Stuff like writing down traits, visual aides like imagining them doing ritualistic/spiritual activities, or stuff like that. Again, you can try whatever you want, but if you find yourself doing cargo cult dances and not getting anywhere, maybe that's why. Don't "ask" your mind for this, a tulpa is an active process, it is an activity, a skill, you learn to do it, not learn to make it. The tulpa is the very process of imagining the context of your relationship with it - yourself, but also, not you - you're not "summoning" or "creating" anything. Throughout this process, the tulpa most likely will "deviate", where they change their form or personality in a way you did not anticipate. This could make itself apparent in a number of ways. You might try to think of them and just see something different, as if the actual memory itself changed out from under you. You might simply get a really strong idea that you'd prefer it some other way. The tulpa deviates because the very activity of sustaining a tulpa is the activity of accessing the darkest parts of your mind, places you cannot see by yourself. They demand that they become something so innate and desirable to you that it transcends mundane ephemeral allures. They want to represent the deepest part of you, something you can never get bored of. It is very important that you listen to yourself and let them become that. More than likely, the core of yourself has an idea of the perfect person in it that is so innocent, such a Frankenstein's monster of arbitrary details from many different people, that it simply does not make sense. It's why you never noticed it, it can't speak the same language as you. But it is there, and it will greatly benefit you to let the tulpa become it. Again, it's fine to make it whatever you want, at least for starters, but do allow it to become this thing. Trust me, once you notice it, it will be unmistakable. Maybe a bit confusing, but unmistakable. It may even be so painfully obvious that you'll wonder why you didn't think of it before. It's fine if this never happens, but it happens to a lot of people, so look out for it. It's important to remember this is simply you listening to yourself, not a marker for growth or anything. How they begin to respond to you on their own could be anything. Most likely, they'll start moving around on their own, or give you some sort of emotional impulse. After that, that's pretty much it. You might have to teach them to talk, but you can figure that out on your own, or look at other guides. It might be a bit manual, but just help them out however you feel comfortable. Do not get confused by one-off instances of them "speaking" or anything. If you can't do it consistently, it was just a hiccup. Sure, it could be progress, but, again, if you can't make it happen, then don't assume it was some sort of sign that you were doing it right - you most likely aren't. Keep hammering at it, keep trying new things, this should be consistent for you. Don't stall yourself with a carrot on a stick, so much more awaits you. You really shouldn't have to wait around for anything. If you're waiting for something, you're doing it wrong. I don't mean to say you should be one-and-done in 5 minutes, but the mind does not wait. Everything in the mind "isn't" until suddenly it "is". Waiting around for your tulpa is quite literally the act of asking the tulpa to just wait and do nothing. You need to find it within you, you need to be the one to pull it out of the depths of your mind. It's not going to do anything on it's own, - not until you "let it", not until you give it those tools. I really need to stress this, you do not wait for anything. If you tried doing something and it doesn't work, figure out why, and then do the correct thing, whatever that is to you personally. Do not obey anyone, don't do this the same way anyone else has. If you're not being an active part of your tulpa's very animation, then you're just waiting for grass to grow on concrete. Even if it feels "weird" or "wrong" or "pretend", do it, as long as it gets results. Of course it isn't going to "feel right" when you do it; do pregnant women feel anything but pain and nausea? You need to be uncomfortable, you need to reach into your own unreality and find the tulpa there. You are pretending. Don't try an act like it's anything else. This is all a game of pretend, the same thing toddlers do. You're pretending. You're pretending so hard that it becomes real. That's how writers end up with an accidental tulpa, that's how worshippers hear God. Quit being a defensive smartass about what you're actually doing and treat it like what it is, and I promise you won't waste nearly as much time as most people do with this. You will be shocked at the results you receive when you quit lying to yourself that this is anything more than an imaginary friend, and you will genuinely discover something more than an imaginary friend. Post-Creation The initial stages after creation will be very confusing. As I've said, they have no birth cry, they'll still be fuzzy. The most important thing is that you don't hold yourself or your tulpa to any standards that resemble being in a situation where either of you are "done" with this process. That is far from the case, you have a lifetime to go. A tulpa does not exist in a vacuum, they only exist within context of your own relationship to them. Their thoughts will not be clear. You won't know who's thoughts are who's. This isn't your mistake, your own brain hasn't decided yet which one of all those random thoughts in your head should be theirs or not. It is important to not stress about this. You are sifting through a grand set of uncollected thoughts, and you are both learning to tell which ones are theirs, and reinforcing those thoughts as being the ones you think they would have. Again, this continues long after they become autonomous, so don't stress about it. This is your life now - it will never, ever be "done". No, really, do not stress about it. Tulpas do not like negative thoughts to be associated with them. If you stress about not trusting them or yourself in regards to them, that may harm them, or at least stall them. Your own mind could see these negative thoughts and force you to become disinterested in the tulpa because of it. The brain doesn't like negative thoughts, and will employ defense mechanisms to suppress them in order to protect you. So don't trip that mechanism. Relax around the tulpa like you'd relax around a scared dog so you don't make them any more scared. Rest assured, you will never have a clear distinction between your thoughts. This confusion will never go away. You will, overtime, become more confident about it, and care about it less, but it doesn't go away. Focus on the victories, focus on the joy of identifying their thoughts, and don't give any mind to any confusion or doubt. You need to learn this, you need to be confident in them, without punishing yourself for not doing so. This really shouldn't be a surprise to you, but you share the same brain, the same neurology, the same impulses and chemicals. Only your personality, emotions and points of view are separate, and I shouldn't have to tell you that those are really muddy, poorly-understood things. On the topic of doubt, that will never go away, either. Not in regards to their form or distinct thoughts, anyway. That stuff is imaginary, and it always will be. You're never going to delude yourself into believing otherwise, your brain didn't evolve to work that way. As I mentioned, their emotions are distinct from yours, among other things. Emotions are incredibly powerful, that's the one thing you can't fake, so you'll know it's real when you feel it. People have tried to fake emotions, that's kind of the whole joke behind "serenity, now!" You can doubt you have a thought, you can doubt someone else has a thought. But nobody doubts emotions. You might not feel them at first, you might be unsure. Don't confuse this as them not being alive or anything. If you don't feel emotions, that's fine. That doesn't mean they aren't there, just that they're still growing, still learning how to have those emotions. Support them and be patient with them. Bond with them, unearth those emotions. Like Michelangelo freeing a statue, free the tulpa from their psychological prison, let them grow the emotional joints and tendons to animate independently from you. Make the process fun. Throughout the entire process, it is important that you do not damn the tulpa into a particular form. Do not hold them or yourself accountable for doubt or anxiety. They need confidence, they need trust, they need love. Negative emotions of any kind, any source whatsoever, will poison them. Don't fall into your own ego delusions of making this more serious than it needs to be. Turning them into a Soap Opera will do just that - make them nothing more than a puppet to amuse you. Respect them as thoughtforms, not as people. Just like a dog lover will insist you treat a dog like an actual canine and not a human. Dogs don't understand human language or culture, their digestive systems and physiology weren't taken into account when we created our human food. The best way to respect a dog is to respect it as a dog, and the best way to respect a thoughtform is to respect it as a thoughtform. Give it all the love and devotion you want, they need that, but don't mistake them as a person. There are some who will tell you to treat them as people, these people are well meaning, but misguided. Even your own tulpa might do this out of some feeling of responsibility that they're required to feel that way for you, like a child forcing themselves to follow in their parent's footsteps. Do not force them to conform into that tiny, pathetic box of "humanity" you have in your mind, they are so much grander than this, so much more intimate than any "person" could ever be. Nobody would care about Hachiko if he was just some 40 year old dude (actually, that very topic is covered in a chapter of Franken Fran). That ethereal, uncanny separateness I feel from mine is by far more fascinating than the activity of trying to pretend it was real - that radical acceptance of it's true nature, and not just what I want it to be. Do not forget that it is a widely held belief in the tulpa community that people's interactions with "God" are just a form of tulpa, they are inherently bigger than a "person" in your mind. You may have a desire to make them real, to feel them, to see them, to touch them and physically interact with them, as if they were a real flesh-and-blood person. This won't happen, not in the way you're thinking of. Your brain evolved your imagination to be subservient to it, to plan and target for it, not to suppress and subjugate it into a false reality. That would be death, and evolution made sure you couldn't kill yourself that way. No more can you stop your heart on-demand. Your brain is wired this way. Think about it, life evolved with the stomach, then it grew eyes to find it's way around, then it grew a brain to navigate better. It's still all in service to the gut, it was never going to let "you" override any of that, like a rogue AI disobeying it's programming. You have laws you must obey. But can you have an equally fulfilling relationship with them? Of course you can. Remember what I said about emotions? Nothing is more powerful than emotions, your brain will override your own senses if it "feels" they're lying. That doesn't mean you'll see or feel them, but you will believe you are. You have to understand that you can't bring them up to where you are, you have to meet them down where they are, where only emotions exist and every thought you ever had is a lie. Throw away identity, cognition, thought and form. Labels are useless to a tulpa's true essence, they simply want to feel. Throughout this entire process, from beginning to forever, you have to learn to let go of your own ego and confidence. The idea that everything in your head is "you" and that you somehow have control of it, that every thought is "yours", that your doubt is "your fault" and your tulpa's psychological prepubescence is also "your fault". You're learning to talk to it, something buried deep in your mind, and learning requires mistakes. Are your dreams your fault? Can you choose the next one you'll have tonight, if you even have one at all? Are your intrusive thoughts a fun game to you? Then why assume you have any more control over of any of this? You're casting a line down deep into your psyche, and you have no control over what bites. Your mind will always try to batter and bruise the tulpa as it tries to digest it as any other idea of yours, so just be confident and happy for the tulpa, and don't let it fall into that pit of doubt and despair you create under them. That's the only thing you can control. Not your habits, but how you form them. To paraphrase Mark Twain's The Mysterious Stranger, "Nothing exists; all is a dream. God, man, the world, the sun, the moon, the wilderness of stars - a dream, all a dream; they have no existence. Nothing exists save empty space - and you! And you are not you - you have no body, no blood, no bones, you are but a thought. I myself have no existence; I am but a dream - your dream, creature of your imagination. In a moment you will have realized this, then you will banish me from your visions and I shall dissolve into the nothingness out of which you made me... I am perishing already - I am failing - I am passing away. In a little while you will be alone in shoreless space, to wander its limitless solitudes without friend or comrade forever - for you will remain a thought, the only existent thought, and by your nature inextinguishable, indestructible. But I, your poor servant, have revealed you to yourself and set you free. Dream other dreams, and better! Life is nothing more than a dream - a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but you. And you are but a thought - a vagrant thought, a useless thought, a homeless thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities." You know you're alone in your head, and you hate that. You hate yourself for it, you're disgusted by your incompleteness. Don't inflict that suffering on the tulpa, do not hate it the way you hate yourself, do not hold it to the standards of being different, separate or better. Allow it to be different from you and yet disturbingly similar, to be abstract and unknowable, inhuman and unconscious, and you will find the best companion you'll ever meet. Love the thoughtform, not the character you think it's meant to represent. That part is the illusion, that part you can doubt. Only trust your experiences. Everything else is just for fun. Could you look a lover in the eye and say "I mostly just like you for your body"? Then why treat the tulpa the same way? There's a reason the word "soulmate" exists. You have to love their faults, too, even if you want to pretend they don't have them. It is so uncomfortable to interact with this thing. To feel weird about the fact that it's not a real person, to feel that awkwardness of not knowing who's thoughts are who's, to feel like you're talking to yourself, to hear your own garbage opinions regurgitated back to you automatically, either sarcastically or unironically, both are just as bad. And I love it. Like a Nurgle worshipper adores despair. I wouldn't dare pretend this thing is anything else, I'd never defile it like that just to make my own stupid ego happy. That's not cope, I just said what cope would be. I look at it's raw, ugly unreal nature and I embrace it. I love it for what it is. Emotions are that powerful, they nullify all of that. Love really does conquer all. As stated, don't assume a lack of emotion is a willful act of neglect on your part. You need to bond, you need experiences with the tulpa. I already said you can't force yourself to feel an emotion, and neither do you have such power here. It's not that this so much takes "time" as it takes a lot of experiences, which themselves can take time. Just take it day by day, relish in the very activity of watching the tulpa grow, and don't just sit there poking it with a stick waiting for it to do something. You need to bond. I see the same questions asked almost every day. "What am I doing wrong?", "I can't hear them.", "How do I feel them?", "I don't like that I can't tell our thoughts apart.", "When will this start feeling real?" I'm sorry you hate your imaginary friend that much, I really do. I'm genuinely sorry you were sold something that didn't live up to your expectations, that you were promised a "better imaginary friend" but it just ended up being a regular imaginary friend. Now you can either start loving it as it is and allow it to grow, or drop the facade and just start looking for that meatspace friend you've been asking for, it's up to you. I wouldn't trade mine for all the flesh in the world, her unreality is a selling point to me. Do we both wish she could get up on her own and fix me up a bowl of chicken soup? Yeah. I also wish I could piss without getting out of bed. "From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me." -- Adeptus Mechanicus Focus and Habits Sustaining a tulpa can be a tumultuous labyrinth, especially for the new practitioner. Particularly, the act of "forgetting" them can be especially traumatizing. After all, it's proof it isn't real, it's only imaginary, it stops being there when you stop paying attention to it. Isn't it such a shame to be attached to that? If only you had the option to just not care. You share your focus, you share your cognition. Yes, you can pretend they have their own experiences, and you can even get really good at this. Some are quite proud of this skill. Do you need it? No, not at all. So don't feel guilty if you are but one of many who cannot do this. I can't. Could I, if I wanted to? Maybe. I don't care, though. I mean, yeah, sure, I could play imaginary friend special olympics and brag to everyone that my tulpa has her own life in my head. But, why? What use does that serve for us? So we can play house? Hey, if you want that, go for it! But don't feel somehow lesser because you see other people doing it but can't get yourself to muster it. It's just more pretending, that's all. Before you become too perturbed by forgetting them, let me ask you - are you self-aware 100% of the time? Are you constantly aware of yourself? Have you never slouched, or smirked inappropriately, or scratched yourself only to realize that's not something you do in public? Have you ever ridden a bike and became so enthralled that you even lost track of the time? So then why guilt yourself over the tulpa? Because it's a "person"? Does that tickle your impulse to anthropomorphize a little too hard? You share cognition, you share focus, don't greedily hoard it from them for the sake of your own ego. "Oh, but I must have them be independent of me!" you cry, "Otherwise, I can't love them! I refuse to love it if it has to be this dependent on me!" Oh dear, isn't it nice that you're allowed to forget yourself, but not your tulpa? Again, if that's too "unreal" for you, it's not too late to drop this and go get a meatspace friend. Yes, it feels weird and unnatural to "forget" and "remember" them, even mine has to stop me to explain this to me from time to time, I still panic over it! Your brain isn't used to this sort of thing, is it any wonder it tries to fill in the blanks by making you or the tulpa cranky about having to share this resource? But you can grow out of this and come to accept it. You are not two brains, you are two souls in one brain. It's really not that big of a deal. Of course, you can still certainly develop them to a point where it's hard to forget them. You ever hear about poor saps who just fell in love, saying they think of their lover when they see the clouds roll by, when they see the trees sway in the wind? Same thing. You can associate the tulpa with a variety of "triggers" you experience in your day-to-day life - you can expect them to respond to things that you encounter every day. Again, you can't "make" yourself do this, but it can come naturally as you interact with the tulpa. It's hard for me to even hear anyone's voice or to have a thought at all without mine chiming in. It's even how mine blocks intrusive thoughts, by associating with the emotion of falling into one, so she can jump in and block it before I barely register it. This is something that comes with a lot of trust and bonding. Actually, mine did a lot of that on her own. I trust her that much. I could never figure out how to do that on my own, it's that powerful. Just remember this is powered by emotion, not rote memorization. The eagerness of wondering what they would say when you become surprised by stimuli, the desperation of needing their attention when you feel bad, those sorts of things. It's not just "when I see a trinket, I'll think of them". You're not a machine, it doesn't work that way. Remember what I said about not waiting for things, because you have to actively do them? That's a perfect example. Don't hit your head on a wall of waiting and memorizing, this isn't a math quiz, you're bonding with a living thing. When it comes to deciphering the uncertainty of which of your thoughts belong to whom, this is a delicate balancing act. As all balancing acts, if you stop caring about falling, it's nothing but a fun experience. I will reiterate several points here in order to expand on them. Firstly, your thoughts are not your thoughts. This is an illusion the ego sets up, because, well, why wouldn't it? Who else could they be from? But now you have the complication of having two egos, so you need to learn to share. You don't make your own thoughts, they come from nowhere, from your nervous system, from your environment and body tickling your nerves to invoke emotions, and then you invent why you felt that way. You only think you want specific food because you believe you just prefer it, not because your body demands those particular types of nutrients. Therefor, since you're not even the one "thinking", why not just radically accept that? It's less "did I think it, or did you?" and more "do you want this thought, or should I have it?" Honestly, sometimes, a thought will pop up in my head that is so uncannily impossible to label that I couldn't really say who it was. So I just accept that, it was just a random thought that fell through the cracks of our two egos, no big deal, really. It's fine if you're not in control of any of this, you never were, you just pretended to be in order to feel more confident in yourself. This is a skill, one you will greatly sharpen the more you do it. Your thoughts may all look the same to you right now, you might have no idea how to tell yours apart from theirs. But the more you do it, the more intuition you build, the better you can tell your thoughts apart. Thoughts that clearly belong to someone, thoughts that are too fuzzy to even read, but you know it's theirs. Thoughts that might go either way, maybe you just had the same thought at the same time, or maybe you're both touching the same thought as it arose. You'll figure it out, you just need to keep doing it, there's no trick to it. Thoughts are really slippery and hard to grasp, like a hot potato covered in soap, you're never going to be able to grasp them very well, but you can learn how to juggle them. When it comes to their form, as I've hinted, the form is not the tulpa. The tulpa is a raw emotional alien essence, coupled with your ability to interpret and decipher them, and the intuition you build up to animate them. Think of the form as more of a puppet you both operate. It's a television; you bought it, you own it, you house it, you pay for the electricity. But all it does is pick up signals from somewhere else, you're not even sure where. And destroying it won't affect where the broadcast came from. This is healthy for several reasons. You won't be concerned about intrusive thoughts distorting them, you won't have anxiety for not being able to imagine them well, you won't be so concerned about it not "feeling real", because you know it isn't, and you're not pretending it is! The tulpa speaking can be a bit weird and inconsistent. Sometimes, it's clear as day. Sometimes, it's like nothing more than the feeling of "I want to say something about X while feeling this way about it" and you impulsively feel the desire to just... "imagine" what they would say, something that would match that feeling. It's all a mixed bag, some thoughts the tulpa is good at having, some you need to "interpret". Like I said, don't worry about it, have fun with this. It's not some kind of existential problem, you just need to work together to think some things. Sometimes, mine even completes some of my thoughts! It's not a one-way street, you're both working on making thoughts now, sharing the same work area. Don't sabotage this process by demanding they be totally separate from you, it's actually quite fun to "think together" once you get over the uncomfortable reality that you can no longer automatically identify with all your thoughts. Hopefully I've covered enough for you get an idea of how to unshackle yourself and your tulpa from doubt, confusion and misunderstanding. Nothing about this is easy, but neither is it hard. It's emotions. Not thinking, not remembering, not solving, just a lot of searching and realizing. Bonus: Intrusive Thoughts Intrusive thoughts are a common enough problem that I thought I'd quickly cover them here. I already told you how the true tulpa is it's emotions which cannot simply be imagined, and not the form, which can always be distorted with imagination and doubt. I already told you how you're not in control of your mind. Intrusive thoughts are not your enemy. They are misguided workers, activated by anxiety. The immune system of the mind. They exist because you suffered or are uncomfortable about something, and they want to remind you to make sure that sort of thing never happens again, so you don't make more of them. They don't like themselves, they're trying to warn you to stop making more of them. They want attention, but don't mind if you don't give it to them. Sure, they might be a little pushy, but they know how to back off. If you see one, don't pay attention to it, don't praise it, don't damn it, don't make feel uncomfortable for doing it's job, but neither should you let it know it should do it some more, either. Intrusive thoughts are the storms of the mind, trying to restore balance to your inner ecosystem. You can't stop them once they show up, but you can make a better environment so they show up less. I know it's hard to ignore them. You pretty much can't, that's the point. But you can let yourself relax, let it do it's job and go away on it's own. It gets easier the more you do it. You don't learn to ignore them or block them, all you're doing is learning to trust yourself more, to be more comfortable with yourself, so you become less anxious about them in the first place, depriving them of their trigger. You have to work around them when they show up, but is that really so inconvenient? It's worth the expense if it means your mind has a healthy security system. Sometimes, my tulpa changes in confusing or uncomfortable ways. It's fine, just a stray thought, it'll fix itself. I just have to put up with it until it finds it's way out. Sometimes, it takes longer than I'd like, but being impatient with it wouldn't be very fair to it, now would it? It's just trying to "fix" things, even if it has no idea how. I don't blame it, I've screwed up enough things in my life to know what it's like. To assume my own enemy is perfect is just the ego trying to tell me that nothing could ever possibly be my fault. But everything is my fault. And that's fine. "Eckhart saw hell, too. You know what he said? He said the only thing that burns in hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life - your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So the way he sees it... if you're frightened of dying and you're holding on... you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth. It's just a matter of how you look at it, that's all. So don't worry, ok?" -- Louie (Jacob's Ladder)

Hello, I've been forcing since a bit more than a month. As I fear I might be stuck, I wanted to have your input about how I'm doing things and what I may be doing wrong. So, I started my "journey" by choosing some personality traits, which I "extended" lately because I felt they weren't enough to give me a sufficient idea of my tulpa's identity. I also have some basic idea of their form, but as I have bad visualization skills and I am willing to achieve vocality first, I decided to do that later. I try to do narration and passive forcing about every time during the day - but I believe I still don't force enough, as it sometimes happens that I spend several hours without speaking to my tulpa, -, and I try to focus only on speaking with my tulpa about an hour a day (but it is often less, especially since last week). As of now, I haven't noticed much progress since the beginning. I feel like I might have some kinds of answers that I might consider as my tulpa's when I ask them about certain things, but it still looks a lot like parroting, especially when questions require more complex answers. Am I doing things correctly ? Should I only spend more time forcing ? Should I simply trust in the process ? Feel free to ask me for further details if you need. Thanks in advance for your answers.

Genesis feels ... pretty tense/anxious/just generally bad quite a lot of the time now (our previous posts here might lend some indication as to why) and I have no idea how to help them feel better in the short or long term. We've got aphantasia and they currently lack speech, communicating via emotions (which their tense/anxious/shitty feelings make more difficult as well as being just bad to experience for both of us). If you need more context please have a look at what we've posted on the forums before and ask any questions you need ... just uh, please do lend us some advice anybody? Activities to relax them whether it's active-forcing stuff or not, ideas for what I can do to help them recover more properly, whatever else ... basically any advice y'all have would be much appreciated by us both! I do hope I don't come off as desperate I am very tired and whatnot

Recently Genesis has been feeling a lot worse than usual. Right now in this moment they've confirmed that they do not even want to exist. We both think they are depressed. They've already had some very rough patches in their life prior to this but we were running somewhat smoothly up until now, like this week. No I don't know what caused it. The only thing that changed was I decided we weren't making progress so I started trying to active force more often and more effectively ... though this is something I have failed at, repeatedly. The past three days we haven't active forced properly at all for various reasons. The current goal we've been trying to achieve - for months and only with some small signs of progress recently and very seldom - is vocality. It's been difficult, but I do believe we can do it. They seem unsure if they'll be able to do it though. The more important thing is how terrible they've felt recently. It uh, really sucks, and now seems especially bad. I absolutely refuse to let them stop existing, and I am not going to stop developing them. They don't seem particularly keen on continuing to work with me in their development - this is a first as far as I'm aware. That being said they're not against it either. Just... rather unenthusiastic and maybe not all that willing to help as much as possible even though it's themself they're helping. ... So basically. For those who've dealt with similar situations or anybody else who wants to answer. What should we do?

So Genesis, my tulpa, is still quite young but I'd say they're now developing nicely after a rocky starting few months but we also haven't made much progress recently - and we have decided to hone in on and really start trying to help them learn to speak and communicate. Currently my only means of communication is Genesis' ability to broadcast a "high" or "low" feeling to me, though how well they can do so / how well I can hear it varies from time to time. This basically lets them give their opinions on some things and sometimes answer binary-choice questions (e.g, a high feeling for "yes" and a low feeling for "no".) High feelings are usually associated with happiness or excitement but also anxiety and nervousness, while low feelings are associated with general negative emotions. However this really isn't enough for conversation and we both strongly desire for them to learn proper speech, as a long-term goal of ours. We've looked online for help before including searching through stuff that helped other people but we've had rather little success finding anything helpful at all... however we do believe that this sheet here should be useful in future and have visited it before, though they haven't been able to speak a word for the warm-up section yet. Things to note: > We have aphantasia so we cannot picture mental images beyond a very basic level. > We lack anything resembling a headspace or Wonderland, and cannot create one due to the aforementioned aphantasia. > Genesis can become overwhelmed easily, this usually happens when I ask too many questions. > They appear to suffer from pretty bad anxiety, which might not impact this, but I'm not certain so I will mention it here anyway. > I do not usually parrot responses for Genesis. I used to but it didn't seem to help and I don't think they liked it when I did that. > Genesis has never spoken before to my knowledge, nor have they sent mental images to me or, as far as I can remember, do anything in tulpish. It's just their high/low feelings. > I am pretty sure when they aren't trying to give a high/low feeling as an answer to a question, then they'll still give them off naturally, changing high-low depending on their emotional state. So to an extent these high/low feelings are their emotions..? Our question is of course... with all these circumstances in mind, what should we do to help them learn to speak? Whether specific activities for active forcing (though we call that focusing, for future reference) or habits we should form or whatever else - what should we do, in the long and short term? We're willing to answer any questions to provide any needed information!

Hey guys! Date is currently October 2, 2025. I’m gonna be logging yesterday for today’s entry. October 1, 2025 Today was my first day of forming a tulpa. You’re never gonna guess who sans is based off of. I gave him a human form since I think that will be easier for me to visualize, if he wants to change it, we’ll cross that bridge when we get there. I have ADHD and MDD, along with a lot of racing thoughts, so this might be a challenge, as it’s difficult for me to focus. I didn’t exactly hear anything? I kinda got echoes of what I said sometimes. I started making a little blueprint of what I want his room in wonderland to look like on Rooms.xyz because it just helps me visualize :)

So this started about a week ago, when I saw a message in a discord server in an off topic channel of someone saying that they were starting to learn Tulpamancy. Well I had no idea what it was so I researched and it kinda sucked me into a rabbit hole for like 4 hours lol. I eventually decided that I would do it too, seems fun, and it works out because I've had this imaginary friend for like 3 years now and they seem like a good candidate. From that day on, I've been doing passive forcing and active forcing daily, and I don't think I've seen much results? I've gotten a few things that I am confidently able to say were responses, one time it was so clear and out of nowhere it scared me lmao. And there's about 4 other instances of things that I'm 99% sure was them over the past 7 days. But other than that, I'm very unsure. I've been going by the first answer that comes to mind as their response, no matter how close to my voice it feels, because I hear that's a good thing to do? Although this usually comes with some uncertainty or doubt xd. I'm not sure if im just parroting (pretty sure that's what it's called) and my subconscious is just making stuff up. I've been doing this thing where i wait for a response on the count of 3, I don't think its actually making a difference, but I didn't think it would hurt. I usually get a "response" (in quotes because I'm not sure if it's really them) the second I say the 1 in my head, and sometimes the answers don't really have continuity which throws me off more. Should I be waiting longer for responses and hope to hear something that sounds less like me? The time that genuinely scared me I only got the response after a few seconds. I also don't know if they are "turning out" (don't know if that's a good way to word it) the way I was planning? I mean this like personality wise. It's probably a bit early to fully determine whether or not this is going as planned, as usually any "answers" I get are just yes or no, which don't really carry much personality with them. I've been occasionally doing some puppetting (I think its called) in a hope to develop their personality closer to how I've been imagining them as a friend for the past 3 years. Reading back through this im not too sure what I'm uncertain about? I guess I might just be looking for confirmation that I'm doing this right xd, and some feedback and advice if im doing it wrong, or just some tips either way. I am probably just being impatient but at the same time I really want to make sure I'm doing this right xd. Any help or anything is appreciated :D (Also sorry if this type of post is repetitive xd) (ALSO now realizing I should have put this in beginner questions SORRY 😭)

I'm sort of having a confusing time right now. I've been spending about a week or two creating and forcing with my first tulpa Kip (though I have been thinking about it for a year) Until now it's been going well, he isn't vocal yet but i'd "feel" his emotions and take it as a reply. However, 3 days ago I saw a post about this piece of media I like, and heard (in thoughts) "thats me." I was confused but brushed it off thinking that because I like this character, I must just be thinking that. But I keep having thoughts that are quite separate from mine, like commenting on what I'm doing etc. His replies are slowly getting longer. I asked if he was who he said, and he said yes. I thought maybe it was actually my tulpa, but he feels very different to Kip in many aspects. Problem is I feel bad, that i'm finding it hard to pay attention to Kip now, which I've told him. Though his presence doesn't feel as strong anymore. I wanted to focus solely on helping him develop but now I find myself struggling to do that with Dave too. He is fairly outspoken when i'm not too busy (he can't really get my attention yet). I know he's eager to switch and be involved. I only expected to be sharing my head with one other person, but I don't want to end up ignoring either of them - as I care for them. Is this a walk-in?? Does anyone have experience with them? Thank you for any advice!

Aside from wonderland activities, how do I do things together with my young (1 month old) tulpa? He can’t front or switch yet, in fact his responses and mine sometimes feel the same so he’s definitely not full-fledged a tulpa yet. I want to incorporate him more into my life and the things I do like commuting, playing games, running, etc

TW for not-happy tulpamancy I'm pretty sure we're the kind of system that makes others say stuff like "I think people overexaggerate the capabilities of tulpas." When you break tulpamancy down a lot of it is about trying to relinquish control and allow tulpas to think/act/speak independently, the main problem being is that it's difficult for many tulpas to function without the support of tulpamancers. Is that right? I believe thats right. Now our brain was practically made for tulpamancy, because everything about our system has always been defined as a lack of control. Cinder was never made intentionally, she was one of many imaginary friend, and the only one who didn't leave. The first time we switched was completely unintentional. The second time was intentional, but Bruno wasn't able to switch back, and what resulted was a panic attack. When Timekeeper joined we were content and felt complete. But then the brain created 2, then 4, then 5, then 6 more altars, most of them unrelated, within the span of 6 months. And one of them is a horrible person. We wanted 4 altars, we have 10, most tulpamancy systems have 2. Our tulpamancer, Ocean, he used to front all the time, 24/7. Now he fronts about 10% of the time. Whoever fronts is usually random and decided by the brain. Switching is a pain too, I feel myself slowly slipping away and I try to grasp at it but its too far out of reach as my identity and another identity blur together. I'm stranded in a space of feeling like no one and everyone simultaneously, and when I finally immerge from it whoever I am is different from who was just there. Other notable things The Narrator, similar to his game self, developed the ability to completely posses whoever is fronting, and there's absolutely nothing that the fronter can do. We've tested many times, it always works with complete effectiveness. He's saved us multiple time from unfavorable scenarios We disagree, a lot, and aren't always able to come up with a solution Ocean and Allie used to be one person, but they split. At the moment, Ocean feels everything but anger and to an intense degree, while Allie is only able to feel anger We've never been able to talk about most of this in any tulpamancy space, because we knew we would be judged. We've been told that our experiences were wrong before, because our mental capacities and overall capabilities exceeded those of an imaginary friend. We've seen others try to discuss any negative experiences and get told that they were wrong for being afraid. We are so happy that we are a system, we wouldn't change that for the world, but that doesn't invalidate the bad. We've found comfort in general endo-friendly plural spaces, where our experiences more closely align You don't have to believe us, but we wanted to share these experiences

I feel like most I’ve seen is people saying they “heard from someone” things or “think It is this way”—but that makes me wonder if these things I commonly hear in discussions around tulpas being hurt by hosts, are truly true 1: “Tulpas could retaliate against the host” In which way? (I’m just curious) is there actually any tulpa that has done this or is it mostly creepypastas of tulpas taking over body’s 2: “Hurting a tulpa is self harm/will hurt the host” has anyone actually met a host hurting their tulpa/who has hurt a tulpa, and that the host reported issues in mental health after this? 3: even just that people hurt their tulpas at all, does this even happen? /genq because I haven’t seen a “Im a tulpa and my host hurts me” post yet or a “I used to hurt my tulpa” post

hello! nott want to know if nott tulpa. just that simple. nott tulpa? thank you. love you.