Tulpa Abilities

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magical beings created by focused meditation (rather than the imaginary beings discussed by the rest of the site)

 

Care to elaborate on that? What differentiates a metaphysical tulpa from a psychological one? Is it the method? some sort of special kind of meditation or something?

 

and applying rules to them

could you point that out? Where exactly did he do that?

(Didn't notice nonsense's post when i wrote this , i basically posted this thinking you were reffering to waffles's post)

 

rules that assume they are indeed just products of the mind. This is not the board for that.

I suppose you're right here but there's no harm in looking into it from another perspective is there?

 

It's also not the board for science vs. metaphysics discussion.

I don't think they intended it as a way of proving that metaphysics is wrong as much as they wanted to find connections between the two or try to find a scientific explanation for it. (well , excluding nonsense.)

 

 

i'm just saying , no need to be so defensive

 

There's a big difference between simply requesting proof or documentation of this for further study, and

 

 

Putting a big "NOPE, CAN'T HAPPEN," on it.

 

i'll have to agree with this though.

[Nonsense]

I don't think they intended it as a way of proving that metaphysics is wrong as much as they wanted to find connections between the two or try to find a scientific explanation for it. (well , excluding nonsense.)

I ask you'd excuse me being intolerant of it, but I'd take what I said as an opportunity to look into whether or not electro-magnetism manipulated by the human mind can in fact influence electronics and perhaps if it can similarly manipulate other minds in some manner. Such an idea is at the least partially grounded in the physical realm and thus I find it actually worthy of attention outside of simple sentiment.

 

I guess where the indignation came from is the way the OP worded it as if the observations were conclusive related to the presence of a tulpa, which is the antithesis of everything metaphysical. Sorry for being an ass about it, though.

[Advance]

I know this is metaphysics and the like, but that's not a reason to not approach this scientifically.

This. Or not?

 

Stuff considered magicks and the sort time ago are well accepted now thanks to the scientific approach, that yield light over the unknown mechanisms behind such things. For example, what we call now electromagnetism, physiological processes and environmental phenomena were usually seem (to some degree) as metaphysical/magical, spiritual or divine by most population until not so long ago in humanity's history. ("No shit Sherlock")

 

So apparently, something stops to be magical when you apply science to it, or does it? No, because it depends entirely on someone's point of view, with what someone's agrees as an viable explanation, and with what someone's doesn't. And no matter how much time passes, some people points of view will differ from one another (even when you squash someone's face with a paper with "LOL SCIENCE" written on it).

 

What comes to my question, what is supposed to be discussed in this board? Apparently magical and metaphysical phenomena involving tulpas OR the magical and metaphysical approach to these and "usual" phenomena involving tulpas? Or both? Just saying "discussion of metaphysical and parapsychological subjects" doesn't cover that very well, which leads to what happens in this thread.

 

Regarding on the topic itself, and personally, I'd love to see some empirical proof to those claims. Being a tulpa (a conscious entity) so inherently connected with the deep mechanisms of the mind might lead to amazing conclusions about how really our brain can work, because why not? (that is, from a purely scientific point of view, even if saying that is for nothing but for high level circlejerking. What's science today, anyways?).

 

Also, everything regarding user kerin confuses me greatly.

[Sands]

No no guys you just don't get it, when I post my ideas on the metaphysical board, no one can criticize it in any way because this is magick and you just don't understand!

[waffles]

Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy dealing with the fundamental nature of matter. Applied here, it would lead to concepts such as the mind existing on a different plane to that of matter, as well as the ubiquitous 'mind-energy'.

Parapsychology is much more applicable here. It's a field of psychology dealing with those thing that are 'out there' such as precognition, spirits, and so on. Clearly this thread falls into this, as it is discussing disputed ability of the mind

 

In naming this board, the 'magic' and 'psi' that are truly ridiculed are, in a sense, excluded in the title. Nevertheless, this is the place for that too.

 

This board exists for discussing all of these things in the context of tulpas. That means that simple ridicule of the underlying beliefs is not warranted. What it does not mean is that there exists here deviation from the scientific method. For all of the things discussed here, skepticism is warranted, as is empiricism, as is every other component.

 

I should add that, in their current use, none of these things stop being what they are when a scientific approach is adopted. Parapsychology is a science, if a dubious one. Metaphysics is debatable, but scientifically it becomes things like particle physics and so on. Psi is still psi, because it's still manipulation of matter by the mind, no matter if you're looking for evidence.

[Advance]

I should add that, in their current use, none of these things stop being what they are when a scientific approach is adopted.

"Magic" does, apparently.

I wonder if dividing this board into magical/spiritual approach and scientific approach would be a good idea.

[Nobillis]

Thank you everyone for the thoughts. I understand that I ask disturbing questions. It's just that I've seen a lot of weird (expletive deleted*) over time.

 

I thought the question of tulpa abilities to be a touchy topic - with no clear, scientifically-acceptable explanation yet available. I only have subjective observations to base my questions on. However, I too would like to see if there is any empirical evidence as well.

 

First step in any investigation is to ask if others have observed similar phenomenon (and literature search). I thought I'd start here.

 

It may be that the answer will boil down to "it's magic" and that will be fine. But there is also the possibility that there may be scientifically based explanation for the observations and that also would be interesting.

 

It's like the elevator trick** - there is an explanation in catastrophe theory which explains it pretty well, but it took me some years of thinking about to find a scientifically valid answer beyond just "it happens".

 

I'm much limited in my time to do empirical experimentation (it's proving hard to get a good Gauss meter again, having left the research lab I was in some 27+ years back). I'll keep trying and see what I can achieve.

 

Thanks,

Kerin

 

 

(* Drat, my internal language filter keeps overriding my typin'. Stupid self-imposed limits.)

 

(**The elevator trick :

 

At a science fiction convention in Western Australia, I walk up to the elevator. I say to my friend "watch this."

 

The elevator then opens. It has the button pressed for my floor already. I enter (with my friend) and travel up to the floor for my hotel room. My friend asks "how did you do that?" I reply "Catastrophe Theory."

 

You see, it's just a trick. What you need to know to understand this is the following :

The hotel only has 3 floors.

There are kids in the hotel.

The time is just before lunchtime.

 

Now kids like to push all the buttons on the elevator. And, their parents will take them down for lunch. And, this means the button for my floor will likely already be pressed. Working out the probabilities by Catastrophe Theory; if I time it right, I can walk up to the elevator (and ride it to my floor for my room) without pressing ANY buttons myself. This trick I've found works about 50% of the time - so on a 4 day convention you can amaze your friends probably twice.

 

I also used to do this trick daily at the Main Roads Western Australia when I worked there - which is an 8-floor building. But, that is a much longer explanation of why that was possible.)

[Forge]

No no guys you just don't get it, when I post my ideas on the metaphysical board, no one can criticize it in any way because this is magick and you just don't understand!

either contribute to the threads on this board or dont come to this board.

 

all of these things are within the normal bounds of the metaphysical for a human, so a tulpa shouldnt be any different. their ability shines more at learning curve than a normal person, its usually much faster.

[Guest]

either contribute to the threads on this board or dont come to this board.

He pointed out the flaws of several of these posts, which you apparently fail to realize, because this is magick and you just don't understand!

[MysticalBurrito]

well the brain does emit magnetic fields that are mostly blocked by the skull, from my understanding atleast, and that is how we can view brain activity using EM machines

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well the brain does emit magnetic fields that are mostly blocked by the skull, from my understanding atleast, and that is how we can view brain activity using EM machines

and there is a theory that the human brain can be used to control a computer without the help of a transmitter. but that is just a theory, it hasn't actually been scientifcally proven yet.