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I dunno if I should put this up on research or the general area of the forums. All well, a mod will fix this if it's the wrong place.

 

Anyway, I come to ask a question regarding tulpae and people who cannot per se "feel" emotions such as guilt, anxiety, sadness, etc. You know, sociopaths and people of that sort. The question is this: can a tulpa cure someone of not having a "conscious"?

 

I know it sounds over the top, but can it be possible?

 

I know it requires free will for one to cure oneself of a mental illness, and also for one to create a tulpa. Yet let's assume that a person is curious enough to create one and he/she is a full blooded sociopath: what would happen?

 

Well, there are two possibly that could happen as I see it.

 

1. A Pinocchio and Jimmy Cricket thing will occur. The Pinocchio host learns from the Jimmy Cricket tulpa to feel emotion, or at least have a voice in their head that tells them "no, don't do that!". If this case occurs, then the person might be able to gain a conscious of his/her own.

 

Or

 

2. The host creates a tulpa just like them. Some small differences perhaps, but it doesn't help the person grow a conscious. The tulpa might change, in which case scenario 1 might occur.

 

Again, this is all assuming that the person is curious enough to make a tulpa and put the time and effort into it.

 

We have a lot of thoughts about this, but they're kind of abstract and we would like to see what others think of the Sociopath vs. Tulpa scenario. We are also assuming that sociopathic characteristic are not hardwired into the mind and can be fixed somehow.

 

Again, the question is whether a tulpa can teach a sociopath to feel guilt, or grow a conscious somehow.

Stan (my tulpa): "sometimes, I do lewd things when my host bends over :3"

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Pinkamena

People like to say I'm a Sociopath, but I'm not actually. I have ADHD and from what I read I likely have the sort that effects the part among others, responsible for mirroring/empathy. I have a high lack of empathy/caring for what others are going through and can become quite bored. I often feel like talking to people irl if its not about me is a waste of time or looking at their face is I don't get what others get, I assume out of it. I made it worse by purposely desensitizing myself to others pain through a person's guide on not caring what others think or feel. I also may, possibly be a narcissist.

 

But, I cannot honestly say I have not experienced every emotion at least once before tulpas, or if I'm lacking any. I don't know I'm lacking it. Tulpa's rather seemed to help me rediscover them at times. As for changing things like caring about talking face to face, my tulpas were unable to change that about me.

 

However, one tulpa I created was in just about everyway I can tell a Sociopath/Psycho. She was unable to do emotions like love, even with my doing lots of work on her. If she felt guilt, she rarely showed it. I worked on her 2 and a half months to 3 months. She was based off the pinkamena form. She was quite abusive to my other tulpas, and had little problem with killing them. She more responded to learning rules to follow to avoid negative experiences rather than any feelings a normal person would feel that might stop them.

 

Its not exactually what you are looking for, but you might still find it interesting.

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People like to say I'm a Sociopath, but I'm not actually. I have ADHD and from what I read I likely have the sort that effects the part among others, responsible for mirroring/empathy. I have a high lack of empathy/caring for what others are going through and can become quite bored. I often feel like talking to people irl if its not about me is a waste of time or looking at their face is I don't get what others get, I assume out of it. I made it worse by purposely desensitizing myself to others pain through a person's guide on not caring what others think or feel. I also may, possibly be a narcissist.

 

But, I cannot honestly say I have not experienced every emotion at least once before tulpas, or if I'm lacking any. I don't know I'm lacking it. Tulpa's rather seemed to help me rediscover them at times.

 

However, one tulpa I created was in just about everyway I can tell a Sociopath/Psycho. She was unable to do emotions like love, even with my doing lots of work on her. If she felt guilt, she rarely showed it. I worked on her 2 and a half months to 3 months. She was based off the pinkamena form. She was quite abusive to my other tulpas, and had little problem with killing them. She more responded to learning rules to follow to avoid negative experiences rather than any feelings a normal person would feel that might stop them.

 

Its not exactually what you are looking for, but you might still find it interesting.

 

Well the tulpa helping you remember feelings sure is useful information. So we have some evidence of tulpa at least recalling forgotten feelings in people at least.

Stan (my tulpa): "sometimes, I do lewd things when my host bends over :3"

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I have a conscience, I know how things will make other people feel. What I don't have is empathy.

My opinions are all subject to change.

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Well the tulpa helping you remember feelings sure is useful information. So we have some evidence of tulpa at least recalling forgotten feelings in people at least.

 

Sort of is like they brought up a long lost memory that still had that emotion attached to it. And as I remembered the memory the emotion would soon follow. I believe in that way a tulpa could help someone that say went through childhood trauma that caused them to emotionally shut down long enough they forgot they had emotions like love inside themselves.

 

I also experienced tulpas removing the traumatic feelings from a memory before too. So there is that much.

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Sort of is like they brought up a long lost memory that still had that emotion attached to it. And as I remembered the memory the emotion would soon follow. I believe in that way a tulpa could help someone that say went through childhood trauma that caused them to emotionally shut down long enough they forgot they had emotions like love inside themselves.

 

I also experienced tulpas removing the traumatic feelings from a memory before too. So there is that much, I can respond better later, but I'm half asleep.

 

Yeah, take your time; we have to collect our thoughts on this ourselves.

 

Also, anyone else?

Stan (my tulpa): "sometimes, I do lewd things when my host bends over :3"

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Conscience is what you're looking for here. Conscience.

I can't say I have any personal experience with the subject, but you should try to differentiate between "I have a serious mental disorder" and "I'm a dick towards others and I know it".

Oh, and 'psychopath' is probably better to use here, rather than 'sociopath'.

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I dunno what kinda psychological problem i have exactly, but i haven't thought about going an hero as much lately so peharps i have improved as a human being in some form. My empathy for others is still kinda lacking, though i don't particularly wish for it to come back. I'm still incapable of feeling love for human beings as opposed to idealized versions of them or people i happen to share a mind with, or attaching myself to a real story (mine or others') as opposed to a well-crafted work of fiction. Whether this makes me a sociopath or not, i dunno; i wouldn't be so drastic. On the other hand, for some unknown reason, i tend to feel utmost pleasure whenever people say i'm fucked up. [by the way i can't even fap to real porn anymore, i probably am a full-blown pedo and rape is my main fetish. My dream is also to be a 2dimensional little girl, and i have a tendency to find pure heterosexual love stories disgusting, as opposed to lesbian ones].

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It's much more likely that a tulpa would end up being the angel on your shoulder. First, somebody who lacks empathy, such as somebody with antisocial personality disorder, are what we would call egosyntonic. This means that they either don't care for or actually like their symptoms. It is unlikely that somebody with antisocial personality disorder would want to give themselves empathy. If you put them into a room with a therapist, they'll pretend like they do (they're good at acting; Think Dexter), but they don't.

The thing which makes it hard to say that a tulpa would be able to change somebody like this is because it's a personality disorder. Even if the tulpa could erase all of the person's memories, personality is separate from episodic memory, so very little would change in that regard.

Antisocial personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder, and the like are all located on axis II in the DSM because they are all basically permanent. The most anybody can really do is manage them, not cure them. I would be surprised to find out that a tulpa could give somebody an emotion that they don't have.

 

People like to say I'm a Sociopath, but I'm not actually. I have ADHD and from what I read I likely have the sort that effects the part among others, responsible for mirroring/empathy. I have a high lack of empathy/caring for what others are going through and can become quite bored. I often feel like talking to people irl if its not about me is a waste of time or looking at their face is I don't get what others get, I assume out of it. I made it worse by purposely desensitizing myself to others pain through a person's guide on not caring what others think or feel. I also may, possibly be a narcissist.

 

If you had narcissistic personality disorder then the wording of your post would have been very different.

 

Conscience is what you're looking for here. Conscience.

I can't say I have any personal experience with the subject, but you should try to differentiate between "I have a serious mental disorder" and "I'm a dick towards others and I know it".

Oh, and 'psychopath' is probably better to use here, rather than 'sociopath'.

This right here.

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If you had narcissistic personality disorder then the wording of your post would have been very different.

 

I did used to write journals where without knowing it, my mind would re-write them to all to be in favor of me. To downplay what others did or said and up play what I did/said. I was made aware of it after people continued to bring it up as I kept an online journal and was social online. I still have to remind myself, that I need to remember other points/views and that I can be wrong and often am.

 

I often used friends and once I felt bored of them as I basically learned how they operated and I could get any response I wanted from them I dumped them. People I could not control quickly found themselves without me intereacting with them. Most of my relationships are with people that give me things. Most past relationships terminated when I no longer got free things.

 

I am better than I used to be, but relationships with me are still prety one sided. One past job I was fired from happened because I kept bringing up how I was right and my boss/workers were wrong.

 

I have done a lot of self help, meditations, studying some psychology, being introspective, that helped a little.

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