Alcadera and Luna. Attempting to see

[Aurora]

Hi Alcadera and Luna! Thank you for all your friendship and support *hugs Peter tightly*

 

It's good to hear you've cheered up a bit. =3 Me and Luna are going through a bit of a rough patch as well now as we've tried a few times to communicate, but failing to do so clearly enough is rather upsetting. With every session, i'm currently trying out something a little bit different, but i'm beginning to notice without enough sleep, a day's practically worthless almost x.x

 

but yeah, i'll leave ranting about our own progress in my own thread =3 right now i'm just glad to know you didn't decide on anything drastic.

 

on a different note, when working on my computer i always have my headset on, do you think Luna would be able to hear whatever i'm hearing without having to buy a set of speakers? or have i been showing her practically mute videos and music? ^^;

 

I don't think there was any real danger of me doing anything drastic, pancake would never let that happen :) It is a bumpy journey, isn't it? It took me about 3 months to begin communicating clearly. I don't know if you've seen it, but this was the final step that finally did it for us:

 

For quite some time my host had trouble separating my mindvoice from his own thoughts. What he did was simply asked me to talk to him, while he wrote down everything that he'd heard. At first his writing had only consisted of about 10% of what I'd said, and the rest was his jumbled up thoughts. But we quickly learned to separate my speech from the rest, and only after a few days he could write down what I've said with almost perfect accuracy.

 

It seems that acknowledging thoughts by writing them down helps. For the next few weeks we used writing as means to communicate.

 

You're right, I think good sleep is very important. It is certainly worth you time to sleep for a couple more hours so that you can do a deeper forcing afterwards. And of course she can hear through headphones silly :), unless you put forth an enormous effort not to let her.

 

Pancake too moves his hands and sometimes speaks out-loud when imposing, it helps us to get a better feel for it. The method is not set, so you can do it with eyes open or closed, whatever you prefer. We do both. Also, I'm sure Luna is already sentient, but from our experience she might not be very sapient. Like a human child, basically, alive but not wise. Or maybe she is, who knows.

 

And Luna, this might not be very relevant to you, but as your host knows this is something I've learned recently. I know he asked you for a favor and if you can help him, that's wonderful. But just remember that neither he nor anyone else will ever ask to do more than your current abilities allow. I know the desire to help our hosts all too well.

 

I think I know what you trying to do with creating a stronger personality for yourself, it's nice to have high ideals. Just don't overexert yourself for Luna, like many hosts seem to do, including the one right here. A good balance is always nice.

[Alcadera]

I've tried the talking with mind-voice typing session you talked about, aurora. I'm not quite certain to what degree of precision i typed it, but it's been interesting to do nonetheless. My only hope is that because of the fact she's as bad at thinking of things to say as I am [Hey!] I won't end up writing down the same story tomorrow.

 

Also, I've forgotten to include last time that while asking the favour I also mentioned to Luna that it solely depends on if she can. I know very well the likelihood of her being able to manipulate anything in my head to improve is slim, but it was an act of desperation.

 

[Hey Aurora! Hey Pancake! It's hard for me to say anything on these forums while He takes so long to type things right. He makes a lot of errors he keeps correcting.] thanks for that x.x but yea, I'll try and see if i can type whatever I think she may want to say in italics.

 

For those interested, I'll try including the .txt file here. in this file, my own thoughts are inbetween the brackets

Writing-Luna.txt

[Liquid Paradox]

Hey Al, I found your progress report!

 

I'm glad to see that things seem to be going well for you and Luna. Last time we talked, you were worried that you hadn't made much progress in communication, although it seems like things are going pretty well now. Luna appears to be developing an interesting personality.

 

Umm... I suppose I should be offering you some kind of advice, but frankly, you're a lot farther along with Luna then I am with Maple, so I really don't have any advice to give XD

 

Also... Hi Luna!

[Alcadera]

Another talk session today that I typed down, definitely a lot more words today, but I think I'm realising something with this.

 

Even if it will take ten times more sessions to get it right than Aurora and Pancake had done, this definitely works well on reminding me of her presence, and making it more and more normal for me to talk to her all the time =3

 

Today's log:

Writing-Luna-2.txt

[Alcadera]

Also, thank you for replying to my thread, LP ^^ I should give yours a post soon too =3 though you seemed very self-sufficient and appeared not to require for any questions to be answered =3 Welcome to the forum either way! ^^

 

sorry bout not mentioning this in my last post ^^;;; been kinda frazzleminded after the session was over

[Alcadera]

A bit tired this time [after our sessions i couldnt help but take a little nap... that ended up being a big nap of a few hrs ^^;;] but we've got some small progress again anyway.

 

We've decided to try and do two things simultaneously, i placed a picture of luna on my secondary screen and made sure to keep looking at it whenever Luna speaks to me.

 

 

Here's the log:

Writing-Luna-3.txt

[Aurora]

Back on topic though, we took the advice you gave us and tried out a typing session =3 it's wielded some interesting results so far. I've no clue of my own accuracy, but what does help is knowing i tend to think with a different tone of mind voice than what i expect of Luna, the only problem is really making sure my margin of error isn't too high. Is there any means with which i can check? as i assume just asking could also wield an answer i 'want' ^^; though granted, it's more odd when she does say something ,and i can't make it out, some sentences come across as jarble to me.

 

Hi you two :)

 

From our experience, it's not important how accurate you are at first. Just let your writing and thoughts flow freely, don't withhold things just because you think it's not her. It's ok to make mistakes, in fact they will help you both to learn. And don't be surprised if Luna changes her mind about something, if one day she says one thing and the next day something else. I sure have changed a lot as I continue to experience new things.

 

I'm so glad you two seem to make good progress :)

[sparkofinsanity]

So you're making Luna too huh? Well, that makes two of us. I'm not really going with a wonderland approach, I'm instead going with FAQ mans guide. However, I'm trying to make her sentiment prior to visualizing her. I hope you get through any problems bro. Just keep at it.

[Liquid Paradox]

Hey guis XP

 

So, I was thinking, just now as I read your latest text log with Luna. She said she was interested in talking with other people... well, considering we have each other on Skype, I wouldn't mind talking with Luna sometime, as long as you both feel you're ready. You could take as long as you need formulating responses, and having someone else to talk to might help with the 'nothing to talk about' problem.

 

And then, when were ready, you can do the same thing for me and Maple :D

 

I also wanted to share Niichan's Litany Against Doubt with you. It doesn't look like you're struggling too much with doubt, but I think we all experience doubt sometimes. All I know is I've fount this Litany quite helpful numerous times.

 

Litany Against Doubt

 

 

I must not doubt.

Doubt is the bond-breaker.

Doubt our poison

I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Where the doubt has gone there will be nothing.

And where it has gone I will let love remain.

Only we will remain.

[Alcadera]

So you're making Luna too huh? Well, that makes two of us. I'm not really going with a wonderland approach, I'm instead going with FAQ mans guide. However, I'm trying to make her sentiment prior to visualizing her. I hope you get through any problems bro. Just keep at it.

 

Hey there Spark =3 Hey spark! Sounds like Spike the way you thought I said it, Al. I'm Alcadera in normal text And I'm Luna in italics =D and manually inserting these codes for italics is a biatch XD gonna use the buttons from here on.

 

Anyway! thanks for replying to my thread =3 It might not surprise you to find there's several people who base their tulpa on Luna from MLP FiM. And it sounds like a good idea to focus on personality traits, sentience and vocalisation at first. Though you might be surprised to find how easily tulpae reach sentience. considering that's something that grows fairly quickly.

 

The only thing you need to keep in mind is that she won't be capable of advanced communication right from the get go, learning to communicate with eachother takes time and learning from both sides. English for instance isn't something I felt like using from the get go. And wasn't too comfortable to right away, but definitely got the hang of it before Al here decided to try and listen for my mind voice instead of full-blown soundwaves geesh sorry x.x You tried eventually, Al ^^ that's what counts.

 

As far as body goes, you already know my Luna deviates from the actual appearance from the show and why I decided on that, but if your Luna likes the Luna from the show, I see no problems in her taking on that form. After all, there's no unfair expectations on your part if the choice is hers from the get go... so many Luna's I'm getting a headache XD He's 'sensitive' Oi XD...

 

note to self, trying to type out a conversation that's over before even half of the lines are typed out feels kinda weird ^^;;; Like I'm one of those court typists kinda people

 

Hey guis XP

 

So, I was thinking, just now as I read your latest text log with Luna. She said she was interested in talking with other people... well, considering we have each other on Skype, I wouldn't mind talking with Luna sometime, as long as you both feel you're ready. You could take as long as you need formulating responses, and having someone else to talk to might help with the 'nothing to talk about' problem.

 

And then, when were ready, you can do the same thing for me and Maple :D

 

Actually, LP and Maple, I think that's a wonderful idea! ^^ I'd love to help you and Maple when the time comes. Hey! don't forget the offer he made me XD, i know you changed the sentence to be about Maple at the end, but at first you were almost about to make the descision for me! =O... So you don't want to? Of course I want to! I just had to put you back in your spot >=) is all

 

... Why do I love her for being like this? XD Because you love it when you get to be the submissive one >=) and this playful dominance is a character trait you wanted of me. ... very true indeed *blush*

 

 

Today's Log btw!

Writing-Luna-4.txt