Computer tulpa - OS for brain?

[cruse]

 

For better or for worse, a lot of the users on this site are bronies (including myself, but I wouldn't attribute finding tulpa.info to the fandom) and Pinkie Pie seems to be a favorite. It can get a bit obnoxious with the new/unscientific people, but you learn to deal with it. It's really not too bad compared to other places.

 

Indeed, I'm glad this place is not dominated by anime girls that goes DESUDESUDESU

[glitchthe3rd]

 

Indeed, I'm glad this place is not dominated by anime girls that goes DESUDESUDESU

 

Or Sonic fans, or Twilight fans, or Otherkin, or

[cruse]

I don't hate anime, I like them in facts...

 

I just hate how people goes DESU DESU DESU, BAKA, ONEECHA- ok that's enough.

[Onicron]

...Brains however don't have a UI with on screen windows. You can practise to get better at arithmetic and visualisation, but you cannot just do it by making a tulpa who specializes in it and installing it...

 

I'll just grab on to this part right here. If the person making this servitor/tulpa practices coding as their work or a hobby, making a HUD or impersonation of an OS, imposition and visualization would seem much more logical than to the average tulpamancer. They'd see the logic in one string of code and because they've worked with something similiar for most of their work hours or spare time, they'll see that it WILL work in the desired way. This tricks their brains to believe in said occurence and will end up as a decent simulation of a program, be it an OS or a HUD. I can not see why this could not work as well as a regular tulpa's imposition. If you believe that making a HUD is possible and your brains are telling you that it's impossible for you to NOT see it imposed, it will work very efficiently. These are my two cents.

 

This also applies to the censored part of Weirdo's message.

[Avalanche]

What.

 

No.

 

What. Given you have hours and hours of practise down, you can get a HUD up in your field of view, but to me this would be very difficult, but possible, I suppose. However the data it would display would not be accurate or at the very least surprising. What are people wanting to achieve here? Sure, you could get some kind of UI that displays a person's name above their heads, because it's simple and your brain automatically knows this right off the bat. But it won't analyse body language for you (even if you know body language and that, it'll just say what you generally think. Like if a person comes up to you and you think they are kinda sad then you'll just see a big SAD or whatever. You won't see SADNESS- SHOULDERS ARE SLUMPED or SADNESS- LACK OF EYE CONTACT)

 

Thinking this is an achievable thing is just ridiculous. I thought we had gotten past the stage of thinking stupid crap was possible and had moved on to more plausible things to test.

[Lacquer]

Human brains are fast with inaccurate, but flexible heuristics. Computers are fast with accurate, but inflexible algorithms. Take that into account. This isn't like programming a computer; it's like developing a habit.

[Weird0]

If the person making this servitor/tulpa practices coding as their work or a hobby, making a HUD or impersonation of an OS, imposition and visualization would seem much more logical than to the average tulpamancer.

 

Well it's not impossible, though you'll need to:

-write and read code flawlessly.

-months or even more likely, Years of practicing to compile code.

-learn to memorize all the code. Imagine learning a 50 pages of a book. Perfectly word for word.

 

This tricks their brains to believe in said occurence and will end up as a decent simulation of a program, be it an OS or a HUD.

 

Emulating a OS is like tricking your brain into being a calculator. If you can solve i. e. 85969/2343 in under a second you will never ever achieve this. Even a 20 years old calculator can do this instantly still its far far away from running a real OS for technical reasons. Tell me how you can emulate a OS if you can't solve like a >1mhz calculator.

Brains don't work like that.

 

Human brains are fast with inaccurate, but flexible heuristics. Computers are fast with accurate, but inflexible algorithms. Take that into account. This isn't like programming a computer; it's like developing a habit.

 

From this perspective you're right. Using habits instead of code is far easier. But developing those kind of habits is another endlessly far path to walk on. If imposing a tulpa is something that takes months over months to get good, imagine doing this on this far more complex matter of a HUD.

 

 

 

How can anyone think this is even remotely worth the effort?

[Onicron]

Weirdo: You don't see yourself making a servitor so you bash anyone trying to make one because you don't see the point. Everyone is different, therefore a HUD or OS might be neat for someone, let them do it if they want.

We have a single servitor designed to possess the body if all of us are too tired or lazy to do the work handed to us, so we can all switch into the wonderland and have our own silly little adventures.

 

Let's break your post into tiny, easy to chew bits.

 

"-write and read code flawlessly."

Not necessary, you just need to set strict rules which the servitor will follow. Will, because there is no "might". The rules are absolute if you just say so. The coding aspect of servitor making is there because we're on the internet, a big fraction of us has coded something somewhere in their life. It might do you good to think this as just another guide (which it is) and as a guide it's not suitable for all and because of your approach, I believe you would gain next to nothing using this way were you to make a servitor. You're better off doing it your own way every time.

 

"-months or even more likely, Years of practicing to compile code."

I've been on a course for java programming which lasted one month. We took the general concept of how the code looks like and how the rules are set, then broke it all down and coded the servitor in tulpish on Shai's wonderland computer

 

"-learn to memorize all the code. Imagine learning a 50 pages of a book. Perfectly word for word."

Again, not necessary. I know how the code works and I know how the servitor will work in any given situation. I also remember all of the rules we set for it in the beginning and I know that it can't break them. That is already enough.

 

"Emulating a OS is like tricking your brain into being a calculator. If you can solve i. e. 85969/2343 in under a second you will never ever achieve this."

Simulation.Even though you could force something that looks and works like a calculator, were you to make it calculate something that you couldn't calculate yourself without a pen and paper, it would give an answer. It would propably be just random numbers though, so it's of no actual use to you. Someone might find it fun though and a tulpa could use it as a toy for all I know.

 

"But developing those kind of habits is another endlessly far path to walk on."

You can make or break a habit on a whim.

 

"If imposing a tulpa is something that takes months over months to get good, imagine doing this on this far more complex matter of a HUD."

I for one believe that a HUD would be easier to impose because it doesn't simulate an actual being with facial expressions, body language, touch, audible voice, smell etc. etc. That might just be my point of view, sure HUD's look complex but there are some unique charasteristics to them, if we're talking about the general action/adventure game HUD: Health bar.

It's on the same spot of computer screen all the time. Visualizing something that stays in one spot will make a habit extremely easy (for some) and because it's form is fixed, it would become imposed in a fraction of a time one needs to impose a tulpa (again, for some).

Then again, you speak of "months and months" for fully imposed tulpa, how much of that time is just pure imposing practice? If we think of Dane's guide (It's the easiest to explain and while it does have some flaws, it's a legit guide), one should have a "complete" tulpa in ~100 hours. This includes personality, narration, visualization and as the final stage, imposition (smells, physical auditory and visual imposition), the whole process taking from a couple of weeks to a few months, the actual imposition being just a fraction of the time. I have Shai fully imposed so it's easy for me to momentarily (or permanently, never done that though) impose something like an object to my full view in just a few minutes.

 

Some actually useful applications for a HUD servitor:

Task: You notice a need to [cut/carry/make] X amount of items to your work station. You impose the number in your HUD "ammo count" and can continue with something more important while letting your subconscious to worry about the amount. Since the HUD is constantly imposing the number on your field of view, you don't need to recalculate the amount a second time and this will improve your work efficiency by a small fraction.

It really might be more effective to just write down the amount of items you need but to each their own, if someone really wants to make a HUD then by all means, let them.

 

What we learned today:

Everyone is unique when looking at their worldview, something impossible to you might be second nature to someone else and vice versa. Looking at your post I could find several opinions which to you propably seemed like complete unbreakable facts and I'm sure you'll find as many of them if not more from this post of mine. Feel free to crack them open and educate me.

 

TL;DR: This is a tulpa community, facts don't exist.

[Lacquer]

You can make or break a habit on a whim.

 

No. Nonono. You don't understand the psychology behind habits if you are able to make that statement. Or maybe you are just greatly overestimating the willpower of people.

[Onicron]

Habits actually are pretty easy to make or break. I believe what you have in mind that could be hard to break is called "chronical habit" which already borders a mental condition, for instance smoking. The "severity" of habits also vary a lot, I smoked cigarettes for six years before quitting them a couple of years ago pretty easily, therefore my habit of smoking was in the low end of the severity scale.

 

Let's examine a single, very mild habit in here:A route a person drives every day to work. When the person decides to take another route, They'll need only a few days to learn the new way and all of the intersections, during which the desire to drive the old route disappears. and the old habit can be considered broken. Or perhaps switching to public transportation?

 

If an individual truly wants to break a habit, they will succeed in it given that the habit in case hasn't evolved into a mental condition like the well known OCD.