The One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge is offered by the James Randi Educational

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

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Dude, I didn't mean literal DID. I meant DID-like o^o I put quotes there for a reason.

 

And Sands... guess that makes sense *shrugs* We drop the paranormal thing until further notice then?

[Sands]

Wait, really? Funding?

 

Yeah that's going more than a bit overboard. Tulpas literally have no monetary value.

 

That's what I'd assume the prize money goes for if the only reason people are trying to compete and win is to advance tupper research. Which will never happen but hey. This thread talks about it, which is why I wrote my feelings about this up there. We both seem to be thinking the same thing here as far as tuppers and money goes, though.

 

We did try to drop the paranormal aspects of tuppers a long time ago already, Floreewhateveritwas. Once the metaphysical boards were made and became used is when that idea came back to haunt us. And it hasn't exactly done anything good to us.

[Dr. Faust]

Is the bad aspect of paranormal metaphysical posting the role players or just stupid ideas that come from it?

 

I only ask because I like "magick" and it was my interest in the subject that brought me here. Though I sometimes "want to believe", I still try to keep a firm lid on real life.

[Sands]

Let's just go with tuppers are something that science maybe could understand one day. It already has had its day being something metaphysical in the past, but now we want it to be something others might take seriously. Like say, lucid dreaming. I haven't been doing any demon summoning either and I got a tupper, so that can't be something that's required, unlike what some might believe.

 

Who wouldn't like to believe that there's magic and we can do everything. But that's just not how life is shaping up to be. Why force tuppers into a group that people don't believe in when you could have them in a group that's understandable to those who don't believe in magical mumbo jumbo.

 

If you want to know what's wrong with this place's metaboards, just check the meta edition of tulpa.info thread simulator in the humor thread.

[Dr. Faust]

I've seen those thread simulators. I also really love your signature as well.

 

Back to the point, I've seen some of the weirder posts which have been written here (not all of them but a few that make me sympathize with you completely about wanting to be taken seriously).

 

I understand that imagination is unlimited and within the imagination any number of things can happen as long as you can imagine it. This is both a great strength and great weakness to the community because sometimes we let the imagination delude us when we return to real life. Even worse, our imagination might stir up complete disgust from those we share it with. C'est La Vie. There are times where we could have better summarized things that happened without alluding to the symbolism we use in our imagination (pregnancy and sex comes to mind, the first time Glitch destroyed his tulpa and she wandered about his mind, Jimmy's apparent revolving door of Tulpa) but perhaps even better would be some sort of disclaimer that no one's imagination is going to be completely normal when evaluated by a third party.

 

I would however, like to see if we could figure out what's going on with Tuppers in a semi-rational way that would allow us to show that the phenomenon is accessible to anyone no matter if they prefer it to be scientific or magickal. In the end, it's all your imagination anyway.

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

The meta boards are kinda messed up, yeah ^^; Btw, just call me Floree.

 

Though everything does happen depending on your imagination, I do think it'd be better to take a more scientific stance as it'll probably make more people take us seriously. I'm not trying to offend anyone who believes in the metaphysical stuff, but it's basically "your brain creates new wires which then lead to the creation of a new consciousness" versus "you do some summoning or astral projection or something and then another person poofs into your head". ... okai, im not sure if either of those statements are even remotely right (i know little about the scientific aspect of this and barely anything an the meta aspect), but you get what I mean.

[oi-stein]

"Science is always finding odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss on it's cleverness."

 

--Aleister Crowley.

 

Remember, if science finds something that was originally metaphysical they will always take credit for it, and metaphysics never gets the recognition it needs.

[Shui]

Science is just an ever-growing collection of knowledge. Sometimes something that was part of a tradition becomes science, but that doesn't mean it can't still belong to the tradition too.

 

As an example, my Irish ancestors believed in "the good folk", invisible beings which could cause illness and death, cause milk to curdle, and bread not to rise. They believed that any food that fell on the ground belonged to the good folk, and taking it from them could arouse their anger. That's why we say "don't cry over spilt milk" -- the milk is to be considered an offering to the good folk. Fire was the best way to oppose the good folk, for fire was proof against their magic.

 

Today, scientists tell us about "bacteria", invisible beings which cause illness and death, cause milk to curdle, and bread not to rise. They contaminate food that falls on the ground, and punish humans that take it back with illness. Fire is proof against the power of bacteria.

 

Personally, I don't think that's science "taking credit" for the idea any more than Webster's Dictionary is taking credit for the words that also appear in the American Heritage Dictionary. There is no reason the ideas can't appear in two places.

[Sands]

What did you expect, Traces gonna Trace.

[waffles]

Remember, if science finds something that was originally metaphysical they will always take credit for it, and metaphysics never gets the recognition it needs.

 

Can you give a few examples?

 

I agree with Shui; science isn't some group of people out to get your ideas. And besides, it really does stop being metaphysics once it's scientifically accepted: you do tend to define magic and the like as 'not accepted by science'.