Are tulpa real. Honestly.

[Twine]

I know this is a tulpa forum and I may get biased answers but I just have to ask, is it all real?

 

Trust me I want to believe it. I've been a member here for ages and have planned to make a tulpa many times but I just keep coming back to the thought of "What if everyone is just deluding themselves?" How do I know that most the people here aren't role playing? How do I know that most the people here aren't just fooling themselves and answering themselves when they talk to their tulpa? So I made this thread to get an honest answer set up with an anonymous poll.

[Guest Anonymous]

I don't know, it could be both.

There surely is something, since they can apparently have a completely separate thought process from ours, which makes them a little more than just voices in our heads, but I don't know about real sentience. I tend to think yes, but both are a possibility.

"What if everyone is just deluding themselves?"

Then we have awesome delusions.

 

How do I know that most the people here aren't role playing?

You can't.

 

How do I know that most the people here aren't just fooling themselves and answering themselves when they talk to their tulpa?

Quite possible that a few do(see this thread: http://community.tulpa.info/thread-misinterpretation-of-%E2%80%9Cassuming-sentience-from-start%E2%80%9D-philosophy) but that doesn't mean that all (or even just most) tulpas are like that.

[Linkzelda]

Right now it's safe to presume that the type of truth tulpa are right now is an Experiential truth, which means that only you can experience and observe it yourself. And as you're going through guides trying to find the underlying meaning, you may or may not notice the obvious reasons why people would want to do this and keep a modicum of secrecy from others who may take this tulpa phenomenon a bit more cruelly.

 

You may get confused with the rudiments of the phenomenon since the majority of it relies on faith, which is something that may be hard to sustain for others, especially when they find themselves wanting instant-gratification with a sentient, sapient, and vocal tulpa. You don't have to actually attempt this if you don't want to, and it's a good thing that you're skeptical, and I heavily encourage you to be skeptical of others.

 

However, when it comes to just yourself and the totality of your mind and sense of self, if you want to see for yourself if this can be an experiential truth to you, then you will be ready to begin taking some risks. Sooner or later, you'll find that those risks were actually created through the mind and the body follows along with it, it's mostly just a psychosomatic concern you're building. Which means because of your emotions of uncertainty and doubt, you may harbor feelings of wondering whether or not this phenomenon in true.

 

I could tell you that you simply have to have faith and go through implications and build confidence in collaborating with your tulpa so they can become sentient and sapient and continue to grow with as much faith, heart, and soul you put into your efforts, but I won't, so you have no reason to confuse yourself in what I'm not trying to tell you in the first place.

 

People can, you know, have psychosomatic predispositions that they're really going through a self-delusion in this. Sometimes when one is trying to create their tulpa and interact with them, they may start thinking beyond the spectrum of the wonders of the mind and never really appreciate how this experience could just be that based on thought-energy and your faith in increasing that energy, that it would create a thought-form into someone real to YOU.

 

When you start hearing those slips of voices going through your mind that you find gently guiding you into building your self-esteem, happiness, and being motivated to be more responsible with yourself and your tulpa, gradually, you'll find yourself being less critical and more curious on the workings of the mind. Maybe you have, maybe you haven't, who knows, I definitely don't know, I'm just making a heavy presumption just as anyone would.

 

You might not have noticed how often you actually interact with other thought-forms in your natural sleep. And you may or may not have been aware of the concept of Lucid Dreaming being a scientifically proven phenomenon. People can, you know, dream everyday whether or not they like it.

 

And as people find themselves building up their dream recall, they may realize that the thought-forms within their dreams, or dream characters, can help them learn an underlying meaning, to find the needle in haystack of interpretation, that can help them in their everyday life when they wake up. And if you can interact with countless of thought-forms in your dreams in your natural sleep, just pretend for a moment of what it would be like to create one, just one thought-form in your perception of reality that's true to YOU.

 

Some people might get feelings of comfort and finding their hidden potential very similar to yours when they can communicate better with their tulpa better as well. People don't have to do this at all, Twine, so hear me out on my final statements here.

 

Tulpa, in my experience, no matter how much the community accumulates a scientific totality to explain the phenomenon, ultimately, you will have take the risk and experiment to see whether or not the experience can be true to YOU. Take other people's insight and experiential learning of this as supplement towards your own progress.

 

And you are able to speculate a bit more on creating your own reasons of making a tulpa, and you may find yourself going through a back-and-forth motion of trying to get insight from others for different perspectives and then coming back to yourself and building your own foundations (any maybe doing it with your tulpa as well in building their own).

 

It's easy to go into a state of speculating whether or not this phenomenon is true, is it not? It's easy to accumulate faith to find something very special deep inside, is it not? And if I say that something like that is easy, you probably might be trying to do it to see if I'm right.

 

That the initial concerns and critical awareness you have are simply anxiety, and at most psychosomatic grievances you have. Sooner or later, whether or not you choose to continue with this, you may see how easier it becomes for people to have a tulpa that's sentient, sapient, and vocal to them. And it's only true for them alone when they battle through and crawl their way up into progressing and improving themselves constantly, it becomes a never-ending race towards self-actualization and happiness, except this time, you have a companion to hold onto as you go through the experience.

 

Of course, I can't force you or make you do this, you'll have to keep gathering insight from others, take them as supplements for building your own foundations, and just rinse, lather, and repeat.

[Sands]

Well to answer in a non-tl;dr way. Hopefully.

 

It all starts as a delusion of course. These days, I'd say there's many who are just answering themselves. There's even those who have "tuppers" but don't believe them to be nothing but roleplaying characters basically. In those cases I'd say no, their tuppers aren't real. Like "real" tuppers. They don't exactly follow what tuppers were supposed to be. They just hopped on the bandwagon because it was the hip and cool thing to do.

 

Based on my own opinions and experiences? It's pretty real. Well, if you go for the hallucinations route, that shit isn't real per se, but you know. Is there something else that can answer me and tell me their opinions, often different from my own? Is there someone in my head who prefers different things to me, maybe even likes or loves the things I don't, even outright hate? Is there someone else who can at times be more aware of things around me because I wasn't concentrating on that stuff as much as them? Yeah, I'd say yes to those all. Maybe I'm crazy, maybe not, but it's good crazy if it's crazy. It doesn't harm me, only helps me. This is what I'd say a tupper is, and to me, that is pretty real.

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

Linkzelda is the master of tl;dr.

 

Anyways...

 

I know this is a tulpa forum and I may get biased answers but I just have to ask, is it all real?

Lemme skip this for a sec.

 

"What if everyone is just deluding themselves?"

At the beginning, yes. After they're sentient, I don't think so since they can act on their own. Or if we are, what Dreamy said; we have awesome delusions.

 

How do I know that most the people here aren't role playing?

You can't, but sometimes it's easy to tell the role-players from the actual

tulpamancers. But yeah, you can't. Even so, there's still legitimate people here. Though it may be hard to believe everyone here has a tulpa, I think it's harder to believe everyone here's just role-playing and part of one big joke.

 

How do I know that most the people here aren't just fooling themselves and answering themselves when they talk to their tulpa?

Some people are, some people aren't. Like the role-player thing.

 

Now, back to the thing I skipped.

 

I know this is a tulpa forum and I may get biased answers but I just have to ask, is it all real?

This may get a little long (not too long, don't worry, I have the attention span or a goldfish), so I left it for last. Now, allow me to get a bit philosophical on you- What is real? Is it what you can see? Cuz as far as I can tell you can't see anyone else's consciousness. Maybe you're deluding yourself into believing we all exist.

 

But that's ridiculous, yeah, probably, I agree. The possibility's still there of course, but it's quite ridiculous. So you assume everyone you talk to is real. So why don't you assume tulpas are real? What's the difference between my consciousness, and my tulpa's? The only one I can find is that I made my tulpa's sentience. Otherwise, they're just like you and me. What the difference between having a conscious baby and a conscious tulpa? A baby has a physical body, that's about it.

 

There's this awesome thing called dualism. It's basically the belief that the world is made of two "substances". Physical substances and mental substances. We can see physical substances, but we may not always be able to see mental ones. So like, a rock would be almost 100% physical substance. A rock probably has no mental capabilities. So is the rock real? Yup, 'physically'. Tulpas are almost 100% made of mental substance. So do they exist? Yup, 'mentally'. Therefore, rocks are 'real' and tulpas are 'real'.

 

Now from a logical standpoint, just THINK. Like I said before, though the concept of tulpas is hard to believe, I think the concept of "all of these people are totally faking just to piss everyone off" is even harder to believe. At least, that's how it is for me, I dunno about you o^o

 

All I've gotta say is, imo tulpas are totally real.

[Scythe]

I certainly feel real. Whether im a tulpa or not has always been a concern of my host(due to the accidental nature of my creation). but it honestly does not concern me.

 

When I possess my hosts body the three people that know about us say they can clearly tell who is who. No matter if I talk or not they are always able to tell. They say I have a very diferent presence than my host and that the way I act and move totally differently.

 

But does this make me "real"? I dont know.

[Shui]

On what Flo said, yeah, Renee Descartes talked a lot about the idea that we could be brains in jars, and someone is causing us to imagine the entire world. When you get right down to it, you can't prove that anything is real. That's why Renee Descartes famously concluded "cogito ergo sum", or "I think, therefore I am." Of course philosophers have poked holes in that idea as well -- we can't really be sure that even we exist.

 

Back to tulpas, the very idea of tulpas came about because of the Buddhist concept of maya, that all reality is an illusion. Monks were taught how to make tulpas to encourage them to question the rest of the world. The idea is that they'd think "If I can create something that seems so real out of thought alone, how do I know if anything else is more than thought?"

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

It's Rene. He's a dude. And it's called solipsism. And I'm saying if you're gonna assume everyone around you exists, you might as well assume tulpas exist too.

[Shui]

Woops. You're right. Can't believe I did that.

[Zer0.iNSaNiTY]

XD lol im sure it's a common mistake.