HorizonRunner September 9, 2013 Author September 9, 2013 Not used to the quote system on this particular forum yet, so I'm just going to make this a massive wall of text. Please. Indent. PLEASE. (Sorry, it's realllyyy bothering me.) Also, there's no need for a space after every paragraph... you ever look at a book? (Wait that's a stupid question.) There's only spaces to separate certain sections of a chapter, not to separate each paragraph. But otherwise, DAT WAS AWESHUME. I commented a few times, but they're minor things. 1. The entire tone seems very analytical, straightforward, and serious. With that in mind, it kinda caught me offguard she called Gabriel by his first name the moment she met him. I expected a few "Mr. Sterne"s before she started that. I dunno, that was just me probably. Though the host would probably call him Mr. Sterne... I'd think. 2. You forgot a quotation mark. That's all. {I loved it! It was intriguing and a wonderful illustration of a man with imposed tulpas! ^w^ It flowed nicely at a consistent pace and didn't lose me for a second!} I've got a bad habit of not indenting anything until the very end. I'll get right on that... As for the spacing, though, I find it very helpful when reading documents of this type to have a decent amount of space between paragraphs. Perhaps that is my own psychosis, but I'm going to keep it that way so long as it's not driving anyone mad. Thank you SO much for the praise! I've wavering between this and another project, and I think that—for now—I'm going to focus on this one. It means a lot to hear any kind of feedback, especially when it's positive! There's nothing to look into, save for a few scattered fragments. I'm extremely hesitant to share anything about my account on here due to personal reservations and the boards' notoriously poor reception of its proffered subject matter. It's still a solid tulpa experience, albeit one conducted in ignorance of this (or any other related) community. (EDIT: The most informative tidbits are here, here and here, although the last link is an unnecessarily discursive semi-debate.) If, for whatever reason, you're interested, I can note you once I've posted the first part (with images!). Or I can provide a significantly truncated summary for your critical assessment. As for your link, I'll definitely be reading as soon as I can. Just glancing over the format, I have to agree with Zer0 on the merits of indentation, but I don't think the paragraph spacing is a problem for digital media. I would consider the classic paragraph style for printing only. That's just aesthetics versus function though. Obviously the real devil is in the details of your delivery. I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not looking for people I can give cameos to. I'm trying to construct a series of fictional (though possible) tulpa accounts, and I'm just looking into real ones so I can find common threads, interesting ideas, etc. THAT ALL SAID, your account seems absolutely FASCINATING, and I would love to discuss it with you later, if you'd be up for it. I have a number of questions I'd like to ask. This is actually the old way to do it. Paragraphs used to alwaysw be separated by blank lines. I think it was the printing press that made people want to conserve space with indents instead of blank lines. Now, on the internet, we have infinite space to work with, so a lot of people are going back to the old way. I personally write most of my drafts in internet-style and only go back and change them to indents for the final draft. People seem to insist on cramming everything together into tiny formats—which is fine, when you're fitting the Bible into a paperback—but I have near-infinite space to work with and fairly poor eyesight, so I tend to prefer spacing things out a bit. [align=center]We've hit the edge of understanding, and we're stepping off with nothing but a pen and paper. [i'm Comet. Somehow I've turned out to be the more talkative one, though I promise to make just as little sense as he does.][/align]
Nobillis September 9, 2013 September 9, 2013 I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not looking for people I can give cameos to. I'm trying to construct a series of fictional (though possible) tulpa accounts, and I'm just looking into real ones so I can find common threads, interesting ideas, etc. Kevin says: You are welcome to use elements of my history if you wish, but my experiences with tulpas are likely too unusual to provide fertile material. People seem to insist on cramming everything together into tiny formats—which is fine, when you're fitting the Bible into a paperback—but I have near-infinite space to work with and fairly poor eyesight, so I tend to prefer spacing things out a bit. A 'double spaced' draft used to be called "a galley" and was used in publishing for the editor to make mark-ups. These days the electronic mark-up and editing of documents has rendered galleys an anachronism similar to farrier work - still used, but not as much as it once was. Please consider supporting Tulpa.info.
left blank September 9, 2013 September 9, 2013 I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not looking for people I can give cameos to. I'm trying to construct a series of fictional (though possible) tulpa accounts, and I'm just looking into real ones so I can find common threads, interesting ideas, etc. THAT ALL SAID, your account seems absolutely FASCINATING, and I would love to discuss it with you later, if you'd be up for it. I have a number of questions I'd like to ask. Oh, good lord, no. That's not rude! I'd feel profoundly uncomfortable with my personal account being used at this juncture, in part or in whole. Although, I grant you full permission to cast me a character cameo as "the gawky goggled lady who uttered a puzzling sentiment just before stumbling over an invisible lemur". I understood you were looking for a more 'typical' (if that can be said of a practice that requires suspending belief long enough to conjure cartoon hallucinations) 'tulpa' experience from which to draw inspiration. But as an artist, science major and fellow amateur writer, I relate to a need to conduct extensive (read: obsessive) research on a subject, particularly one as recondite as sentient imaginary companions. No stone unturned, no facet or anecdote unscrutinized. So yes, I'm certainly willing to honor any questions you have—or even those you do not—about what I've shared on the forums, with the caveat that I haven't rested on a comfortable conclusion to my account. Anyway, I can at least try to provide a modicum of insight into the "common thread" you seek. Or I'd like to think I can. As far as paragraph formatting, I'm sure you've done your research by now. Still, for anyone else who's interested, here's an agreeable overview, here's a pedantic slap-on-the-wrist, and here's a blogger's blunt opinion. Bottom line: You're totally right to forgo formatting while you focus on the content. Don't get hung up on hair-splitting. I hope to read your (freshly edited) document later today. I'm trying to find a spare moment to really apply myself. I'll note you privately with any critiques I might have, unless you prefer/demand public exhibition.
Zer0.iNSaNiTY September 9, 2013 September 9, 2013 Yeah okai, I don't mind the spacing. The indent's what's reaaallly bothering me. EVERYONE STOP BEING A BUTT IT WAS MY OWN OPINION >:-O My case is... sorta normal? You know, if you ignore the whole "I have two halves of a tulpa who then go and make a third tulpa and right now im trying to just get all three of them separated" thing... um, okai, I'm not that normal. But my interactions with them are pretty normal XD [Forseen] {Muse} |Alix|
left blank September 9, 2013 September 9, 2013 "I have two halves of a tulpa who then go and make a third tulpa and right now im trying to just get all three of them separated" thing... um, okai, I'm not that normal. But my interactions with them are pretty normal XD Actually, that's beautifully symbolic! I think C. G. Jung would argue in favor of that being one of the 'normal,' if not compulsory, aspects of human psychology. Granted, most people don't consciously extricate their archetypes—fragmented or otherwise—to interface with them as individuals, but society might be a lot more tolerable if they did. The psyche is a contiguous flux of intangible smoke and mirrors. You're just enjoying the whimsical consequences of parsing the intrinsic illusion, normalcy be damned! Have you seen what happened to Peter Birkhäuser when he tried to do the same? The man puked up so many bizarre 'tulpas' he might as well be regarded as the apotheosis for the phenomenon.
HorizonRunner September 9, 2013 Author September 9, 2013 Oh, good lord, no. That's not rude! I'd feel profoundly uncomfortable with my personal account being used at this juncture, in part or in whole. Although, I grant you full permission to cast me a character cameo as "the gawky goggled lady who uttered a puzzling sentiment just before stumbling over an invisible lemur". I understood you were looking for a more 'typical' (if that can be said of a practice that requires suspending belief long enough to conjure cartoon hallucinations) 'tulpa' experience from which to draw inspiration. But as an artist, science major and fellow amateur writer, I relate to a need to conduct extensive (read: obsessive) research on a subject, particularly one as recondite as sentient imaginary companions. No stone unturned, no facet or anecdote unscrutinized. So yes, I'm certainly willing to honor any questions you have—or even those you do not—about what I've shared on the forums, with the caveat that I haven't rested on a comfortable conclusion to my account. Anyway, I can at least try to provide a modicum of insight into the "common thread" you seek. Or I'd like to think I can. I don't know where you got the idea that I was only looking for "normal" tulpa accounts. I'm going to hazard a guess that we have very few "normal" stories within the entire forum. The anomalies are what make this an interesting topic for fictionalization: if this were an exact science then I might as well just write a guide. In other words: The more bizarre your story, the better. I want to find the outliers as well, to find the boundaries of what we know to be possible. If I was just looking for "normal", I'd read a smattering of guides and build off that. I'm looking for how this really goes. I hope to read your (freshly edited) document later today. I'm trying to find a spare moment to really apply myself. I'll note you privately with any critiques I might have, unless you prefer/demand public exhibition. I'm fine with you simply commenting on the document. I know it's not perfect yet, and I'm completely comfortable with the flaws being pointed out in an open forum. If you prefer to message me privately, that's fine, but I won't be offended either way. Yeah okai, I don't mind the spacing. The indent's what's reaaallly bothering me. EVERYONE STOP BEING A BUTT IT WAS MY OWN OPINION >:-O My case is... sorta normal? You know, if you ignore the whole "I have two halves of a tulpa who then go and make a third tulpa and right now im trying to just get all three of them separated" thing... um, okai, I'm not that normal. But my interactions with them are pretty normal XD That is actually pretty interesting... what exactly do you mean by a "half-tulpa"? Actually, that's beautifully symbolic! I think C. G. Jung would argue in favor of that being one of the 'normal,' if not compulsory, aspects of human psychology. Granted, most people don't consciously extricate their archetypes—fragmented or otherwise—to interface with them as individuals, but society might be a lot more tolerable if they did. The psyche is a contiguous flux of intangible smoke and mirrors. You're just enjoying the whimsical consequences of parsing the intrinsic illusion, normalcy be damned! Have you seen what happened to Peter Birkhäuser when he tried to do the same? The man puked up so many bizarre 'tulpas' he might as well be regarded as the apotheosis for the phenomenon. I think you just enlightened me... or made a blood vessel in my brain explode. "Whimsical consequences of parsing the intrinsic illusion"? Sweet Jesus, man! Your diction could trample an elephant! In all seriousness, though, I'll be looking into Peter Birkhäuser. He sounds interesting. [align=center]We've hit the edge of understanding, and we're stepping off with nothing but a pen and paper. [i'm Comet. Somehow I've turned out to be the more talkative one, though I promise to make just as little sense as he does.][/align]
left blank September 10, 2013 September 10, 2013 I don't know where you got the idea that I was only looking for "normal" tulpa accounts. [...] The more bizarre your story, the better. I want to find the outliers as well, to find the boundaries of what we know to be possible. Initially I was under the impression you were looking for stories that shared similar features. For example, someone whose introduction was through the internet, where they sourced and used an online tutorial to launch their first 'tulpa' attempt. But I stand corrected. This is great to know, since the accidental and seasoned 'tulpamancers' can bring quite a lot to the table, I'm sure. Outliers of a fringe community — that's a designation to be proud of. I think you just enlightened me... or made a blood vessel in my brain explode. "Whimsical consequences of parsing the intrinsic illusion"? Sweet Jesus, man! Your diction could trample an elephant! Well, I, uh, scientific evidence suggests (but does not prove) a correlation between aneurysms and enlightenment, but I won't take responsibility for anyone's poor cerebrovascular structure. I will apologize for my verbal transgressions, though. I just get a little excited about these things. I'm fine with you simply commenting on the document. I know it's not perfect yet, and I'm completely comfortable with the flaws being pointed out in an open forum. Fine, I will endeavor to publicly humiliate you, and expose my real identity in the process. Damn it, Google+.
glitchthe3rd September 10, 2013 September 10, 2013 Eh, my own experience with tulpae has been pretty atypical, and I've been doing this for 10 years now, so I could write an entire book about this stuff. "Science isn't about why, science is about why not?" -Cave Johnson Tulpae: Luna, Elise, Naomi My progress report
left blank September 10, 2013 September 10, 2013 Well, I think a formal apology is in order for my excessive in-document commenting. I hope you don't take offense to it. Suffice it to say, I wouldn't have offered such thorough critique had I not deemed your story worthy of the time it took to consider each element. On a personal note, I was deeply intrigued by your characters, as well as the gradual unveiling of their respective secrets. The plot (thus far) is as captivating as it is credible. And did I catch a whiff of romantic tension? I will withhold all my inquiries and wait for you to reveal the mysteries at your discretion. All told, I applaud your desire to translate the 'tulpa' phenomenon into an accessible, educational and entertaining work of fiction, and I strongly encourage you to continue.
Zer0.iNSaNiTY September 14, 2013 September 14, 2013 Actually, that's beautifully symbolic! I think C. G. Jung would argue in favor of that being one of the 'normal,' if not compulsory, aspects of human psychology. Granted, most people don't consciously extricate their archetypes—fragmented or otherwise—to interface with them as individuals, but society might be a lot more tolerable if they did. The psyche is a contiguous flux of intangible smoke and mirrors. You're just enjoying the whimsical consequences of parsing the intrinsic illusion, normalcy be damned! Have you seen what happened to Peter Birkhäuser when he tried to do the same? The man puked up so many bizarre 'tulpas' he might as well be regarded as the apotheosis for the phenomenon. ... i had to ask Muse about the definition of every other word in that post. And even she didnt know all of them >.>; Now im confused. That is actually pretty interesting... what exactly do you mean by a "half-tulpa"? Um... well my PR’s in my sig, but basically the way they were made was i made Forseen with a number of traits, a couple rooted itself and threw the rest someplace else, that became Muse, and outta curiosity i tried merging them and found an old servitor imaginary friend i had when i was like, five. So... three tulpas, and two of them are kinda halves of each other. [Forseen] {Muse} |Alix|
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