Tulpae and servitors

[chaoticpix93]

The thing about servitors is that they are actually pretty much just encoded thought-forms, whereas tulpas are seen as a complex personality construct. (To put it mildly.) A servitor can't actually go farther than the instructions encoded, where as a tulpa is its own person with its own set of ethics. Now, like a child, you can mold that ethics to whatever you want, but ultimately depending on whom you create they have the free will to go against that ethics. (I use its as a non-binary gender pronoun. I hate ze with a passion. It looks and sounds stupid.)

 

The thing is, from what I've been reading and my own personal work, that a tulpa normally wants to stay friendly and please whomever created it as they understand that their life force is drawn simply from the attention a person gives to them. Servitors normally have an external energy source, such as some source of energy that is related to whatever the magickal working is. (Say, you create a servitor for traffic, your servitor can feed off the residual anger and frustration that people give off in a traffic jam.)

[Enoch327]

The thing about servitors is that they are actually pretty much just encoded thought-forms, whereas tulpas are seen as a complex personality construct. (To put it mildly.) A servitor can't actually go farther than the instructions encoded, where as a tulpa is its own person with its own set of ethics. Now, like a child, you can mold that ethics to whatever you want, but ultimately depending on whom you create they have the free will to go against that ethics. (I use its as a non-binary gender pronoun. I hate ze with a passion. It looks and sounds stupid.)

 

The thing is, from what I've been reading and my own personal work, that a tulpa normally wants to stay friendly and please whomever created it as they understand that their life force is drawn simply from the attention a person gives to them. Servitors normally have an external energy source, such as some source of energy that is related to whatever the magickal working is. (Say, you create a servitor for traffic, your servitor can feed off the residual anger and frustration that people give off in a traffic jam.)

 

 

I suppose a golem would be somewhere between a servitor and a tulpa. I tend to think of my tulpas as junior partners. Which means I can fire them, which I have a few times. One no releases a lot of power.

[hassanandfriends]

I hate ze with a passion. It looks and sounds stupid.

 

I also hate the pronoun 'ze', but Ravi is gender non-binary (hermaphrodite, identifies as both) and generally uses 'ne'. (Ne, nem, nir, nirs, nemself) I do refer to nem as 'he' in more serious posts though because I feel like when I use 'ne' people won't take us seriously.

[hhaawke]

hmmm I thought tulpa/servitor = one and same thing.

[hhaawke]

er IMHO only... servitors are limited in that... you have to be VERY SPECIFIC with them.. otherwise they won't know what to do...

 

tulpas have their own personality and stuff and will accomplish what you tell them to do...according to their personality.... soo.. if you get a tulpa that is shy and withdrawn to help you out in a human relations issue... the result might be... not as desired

[raphael97]

So, i do chaos magick too and im thinking about posting a theory on my thoughts about Tulpas and Chaos servitors similarities.

[Discord]

Very interesting. I always wondered if it was possible to mix tulpae with the occult. I was thinking of delving deeper into stuff like mysticism. Especially since Twi is based off Twilight Sparkle, and her personality would make her a natural to be a great partner for learning witchcraft together.

[hhaawke]

hmmm wad you all talking about? Tulpae ARE created by occult procedures.... at least the very first tulpa we hear about from Tibet....

[Discord]

hmmm wad you all talking about? Tulpae ARE created by occult procedures.... at least the very first tulpa we hear about from Tibet....

Oh, I didn't think of it that way. I thought it was a purely mental process, kinda like partitioning the brain so it develops a 2nd consciousness, although I won't rule out the possibility of spiritual forces being at work as well.

[lurkatron9200]

Magicians have a saying: The most powerful counter-spell is doubt. There is another saying: Success is thy proof.

 

Sound familiar? It's all over the board.

 

Magick is, roughly: You meditate on a statement that you would like to be true, willing it to be true. You perform a ritual, loaded with symbolism, that sets the will into motion. You must convince yourself that what you have done has worked, or it won't. You might keep a journal, so you can see how the spell might have affected the big picture of your life.

 

Sound familiar? Read any Progress Report on the forum if it isn't.

 

Egregores, soulbonds, headmates, fictives, tulpas, daemons. They are all branches of the same "Thoughtforms" tree. They share the same roots and trunk: meditation, but the final approach might differ. The forum wants to insist everything is scientific, but I can count on one hand the number of logs that even attempt to adhere to something slightly resembling the scientific method. The actual results do not appear measurable aside from taking each other's word for it. Nothing here is objectively measurable, even if it can be reliably reproduced by others. Yet another hallmark of magick.