Parapsychosis...What is it?

[Semi-Nomadic]

Subconscious replication. That's all I have to say, and you know it, TOG.

 

Off-topic, but TOG mentioned he's going to try and master psychokinesis through summer, hopefully to move a glass of water a foot across a table and record it.

 

If he succeeds, I eagerly await how will you explain it with the almighty power of subsconscious, Fede.

[Guest]

 

Off-topic, but TOG mentioned he's going to try and master psychokinesis through summer, hopefully to move a glass of water a foot across a table and record it.

 

If he succeeds, I eagerly await how will you explain it with the almighty power of subsconscious, Fede.

 

Yeah, Fede would really be screwed there.

 

He'd have to invent some silly hypothesis like that there is a whole industry of people devoted to creating illusions that seem magical but are actually perfectly explainable.

 

And that's just nuts.

 

Meanwhile, you have a quarter in your ear.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

Yeah, Fede would really be screwed there.

 

He'd have to invent some silly hypothesis like that there is a whole industry of people devoted to creating illusions that seem magical but are actually perfectly explainable.

 

And that's just nuts.

 

Meanwhile, you have a quarter in your ear.

 

That's right. They are illusions, not magic tricks. Tricks are what a whore does for money.

 

Besides, I found a picture of psychokenesis practitioners right here and can verify they can indeed bend spoons with their mind.

[Pleeb]

Basically, in IRC, TOG and I were talking about this, and Jimmy was asking about it. I replied, "Just ignore us, it's parapsycho bullshit."

 

I'd like to state that, for the record, we're not trying to actually prove anything to you guys or the community with this; it's just something we're randomly trying amongst ourselves to see if it can be done firsthand. To reiterate: not believing it until we try it for ourselves and succeed.

 

As for TOG moving a glass across the table, he figures moving a psiwheel with his mind isn't credible enough (I think heat can make psiwheels spin or something), and moving a boulder on a rope could have other factors in play to dispel credibility. A glass of water would be good for his experiment since you can't really move a glass of water with a magnet or anything.

[Andrew]

He'd have to invent some silly hypothesis like that there is a whole industry of people devoted to creating illusions that seem magical but are actually perfectly explainable.

Yeah, completely retarded.

 

That's right. They are illusions, not magic tricks. Tricks are what a whore does for money.

Besides, I found a picture of psychokenesis practitioners right here and can verify they can indeed bend spoons with their mind.

Not only can I bend spoons with MY mind, I can bend spoons with a SPECTATORS mind. I love my job. They're tricks, not illusions. I consider illusions to be smoke and mirrors, where tricks are tangable, and can be seen from all angles. I aint a whore.

 

A glass of water would be good for his experiment since you can't really move a glass of water with a magnet or anything.

And I cant bend a spoon with force, if it's in someone elses hand, because I'm clearly not touching it. You naive person. :)

 

Also, as a magician, I'm going to call bullshit. I've seen and heard of a lot of these 'psychic' experiments in the past. I can do most of them. If there's one bad thing about magic, it means I no longer BELIEVE in it.

 

But hey, if a verifiable positive result comes up, then I will personally carve "well fuck me" into my yoghurt cannon, and jump around the streets naked, proclaiming the new discovery to the whole world.

 

Seriously though, do try it. I would love more than anything to see a positive result.

[Guest]

If he succeeds,

He won't, and I will be the one laughing by the end of the table.

[Pleeb]

Andrew, please don't call me naive. While, as a magician, it seems that you've found your objective evidence to prove or disprove for yourself if all of this exists, I have to say that I am still looking.

 

I understand that it could be "faked," and TOG could make it appear that he's moving a glass of water using illusions, but I would be taking it in good faith that he isn't doing so. Would that be the reason you called me naive? Because I'd like to remind you that every member on this forum claiming to have a tulpa could be "faking it." It just takes someone with creativity to fake a schism in their head, so we usually have to take these people with good faith; at least, that's what I'm doing until I'm able to completely prove tulpae to myself (which will happen by the time Chess is sapient).

 

However, I still like objective, verifiable stuff. So if TOG is able to actually succeed with moving a glass of water...

 

What if the next experiment would be to move a glass of water on your desk? And let me be more specific. You place a glass of water on your desk in front of you; you do not attempt to move the water, and you can be the only one in the room. You set up a camera on your water. TOG attempts, from him room (or on his step, whatever... In Ohio) to move your glass of water with his mind.

 

If successful (that is, if TOG is able to use nothing else but PK to move your glass of water)...

then I will personally carve "well fuck me" into my yoghurt cannon, and jump around the streets naked, proclaiming the new discovery to the whole world.

Would it be okay if I held you to that?

 

And for the record, I'm not saying it will work; I'm just asking if it would be a verifiable enough experiment if it does.

 

I should say that I don't actually think TOG cares about experimenting or providing proof anymore (which is why he doesn't care to debate it), he just wants to personally get better (and setting his goal to move a glass at the end of the summer would be his way of working towards getting better). I, on the other hand, want to try and prove this just as much as I want to prove tulpae (refer to tulpa.info/about.html). While the only way to know if tulpae truly exist would be to experiment on myself, this isn't the case for what TOG is attempting with PK, so yeah...

[Andrew]

First of all, yes. You can hold me to that.

 

Second of all, yes, I would love him to do it on my desk. That would be varifiable enough for me. I would even upload the yoghurt cannon carving, for all to see.

 

Third of all, it still can be faked. Difficult, yes. In fact, very difficult, and would require many great lengths to be gone to, yes. But still possible. Although, if he does do it, I'll trust it's not faked.

 

Fourthly, I understand that TOG doesn't care for providing evidence to the world. Fuck, if I managed it, I'd keep it to myself, too.

 

 

Oh and Fede. I'm with you on this one.

[knux3k]

I personally think it's a very hypothetical scenario, and you should approach things with an open mind, while being a bit skeptical-e.g. like Pleeb said, don't believe it, but try it and see if it works. That kind of thing. I think if it does work, the human body creates a different form of unquantifiable energy, though of course I'm still skeptical of it. Don't just naively say yes nor naively say no, as a scientist I say approach with a completely open mind.

[Andrew]

Uh huh. I agree. I definately want to see it been attempted. I would LOVE to see a positive result.

 

I just don't think there will be.