Tulpa turned to alter

[Kaga and Company]

 

it doesnt mean theres anything wrong with you, like i dont think theres anything wrong with us

its just a thing that scientists wanna put names on since enough people have it that it needed a name

and i guess most people with alters have DID, since were made cuz of the bad things that happened so that the original personality can have a way to feel safe

the person whos usually in charge of this body needed me cuz im real good at dealing with things that they arent, and thats why they have the other alters too, since theres some stuff that neither of us are good at dealing with

im probably being real confusing, im sorry its hard to explain it

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i guess im different though since i started out as a tulpa? its really weird, i think ive been in existence a lot longer than that, even before i started being worked on as a tulpa

i think i just didnt realize that i could have my own voice till i got given a chance when i had the vessel all made for me

 

I never said you thought there was something wrong with me; I just don't like having other people label me with something when they've only just met me.

 

And seeing as how I can't think of any real traumatic experience I had as a child, as well as the fact that I've only had my whatever-they-are-now for a few years, but not deep into my childhood, I'd say I don't quite fall into that category.

[Thunder Chaser]

There are large differences between tulpa and alters, one of them can only control the hosts body if they are both willing but an alter (also known as alter egos and alter personalities) can take over at any time they feel the need to intervene to "protect the host". Alters are ussauly made as a defense to protect the host personality from things its subconscious deem to hard for the host personality to handle and put up an alter ego to handle the problem and protect the host.

 

Like tulpa they do have your best intentions at heart since they are from the same subconscious as the host, but they get scary when they force swap with there host personality. That is where the danger lies in alters compared to tulpa.

 

If what you say is true and Eri can swap at any point he wants to then you have MPD or known now as DID and is a psychological disorder. Its not a dangerous disorder, I can say this because I have several friends with it and have lived healthy happy lives and I have studied it for a while. But in the end the host personality is still calling the shots and can "overthrow" anything any other personality that does. The personalities can not be stronger then the host since they share the same subconscious, theyre not deities.

 

Ive never heard of tulpa going full ego though; I knew it could happen but never heard of it happening. Honestly if you are really concerned I would seek psychological help and go from there. As long as none of the personalities are violent though I wouldn't go out of my way for it as long as everyone knows the day to day responsibilities and you DO NOT create anymore without unanimous consent because now your sharing a body and mind, not just a mind.

 

I know this post will come across as controversial and I am NOT a psychologist, but I have taken collage psychology classes but am i no expert by any means.

[Guest Anonymous]

...In what way could a tulpa become an alter?

 

she had multiple alters in her head' date=' which are very similar to tulpas, but they come with a personality, you don't create them, they just sort of appear[/quote']

 

I designed Eri

 

After the feeling went away I discussed what happened with my girlfriend and we concluded that he had actually become an alter.

 

It sounds to me like you're just trying to spice up your life with an overactive imagination. I can't take this seriously. On top of that, the way you seem to use the concept of tulpas to go off into your own little adventure is offensive. People work hard to develop their tulpas and take them seriously, while having to watch other people make them look bad with things like these.

[Thunder Chaser]

...In what way could a tulpa become an alter?

 

The line between an alter and a tulpa is very grey almost. There both living personalities in your mind that can both control your body if you let them. Only difference is, is that we 'know' a tulpa can not just shanghai your body while someone with an alter thinks that they can not control a alter from taking control.

 

In all actuality someone with an alter can tell the alter and know in there subconscious that they are more powerful then the alter and not allow the alter to take control over their body without consent first. If this were to happen the alter would then become a tulpa, but the host can loose the belief that they have absolute control over there body and then a tulpa could take control at any point if it wished. In this case the tulpa became an alter.

[Chupi]

...In what way could a tulpa become an alter?

Very easily, if you already have some sort of dissociative identity stuff going on, whether you know you do or not. The two are already very similar: another conscious mind in your brain. The main differences appear to be in origin (tulpas are created intentionally with a lot of effort, alters mostly arise spontaneously), and that alters are typically stronger than what most people here have. For some, alters are created very easily. Also, it's possible to start tulpaforcing and discover an alter who's been there for ages, many decades even. They might instantly tell you where they came from, or they might require a bit of forcing to bring them to a sufficiently lucid state to recall and relay that to you.

 

It sounds to me like you're just trying to spice up your life with an overactive imagination. I can't take this seriously. On top of that, the way you seem to use the concept of tulpas to go off into your own little adventure is offensive. People work hard to develop their tulpas and take them seriously, while having to watch other people make them look bad with things like these.

This sounds to me like one of the least "just running off on your own little adventure" cases. From what I gather he set out to make a tulpa to help pull through a particularly rough part of his life, and then discovered that this being is actually much older than he thought, formed by some long ago repressed trauma or the memory of it.

 

If I'm understanding what's going on here right, this is more like the classic origin situation for DID. This alter was formed subconsciously, automatically, and out of necessity, and is just being discovered through tulpaforcing. In comparison, we're the ones trying to spice up our lives going off on little adventures with our tulpas that we decided to make.

[Patchlamb]

I'm rather confused here. You appear to believe you have dissociative identity disorder, however to my knowledge that typically involves blacking out. Looking it up now, I suppose not all cases involve blacking out. Perhaps that's just extreme cases.

 

If you truly believe you have this disorder (and that if is not working like a nocebo- where you read about the symptoms then suddenly have them) then maybe you should see help about it. Supposing only if it negatively affects your life. You could try to get therapy if ever your alters don't help with your coping as much as you'd like them to. I hope I don't sound harsh, I honestly mean to be helpful to my best abilities! :(

[SableXIV]

Forget Sybil, one of the best books I've ever read on DID or MPD was The Flock by Joan Casey. Its an autobiography and I think it is a good reference for those with DID, at least better than Sybil. Sybil is really old and kinda difficult to understand. DO NOT watch the movie, or in the very least do not take it too seriously. The movie was changed to add a lot of drama to make it an entertaining movie while still telling the original story. Things were changed or blown out of proportion to make it a good film. Another good book is A Fractured Mind, by Robert Oxnam.

 

As far as DID goes, unlike those with tulpas (Or at least those that aren't trying to escape from reality), the host is actually subject to change. In A Fractured Mind, the alter writing the book is the current host, and not the alter in charge when the disorder was first discovered. The reason for him giving up his position as the host is because he had been going strong and hard for years with little to no breaks, ever. He got tuckered out and finally decided he'd had enough and didn't want to be responsible for everything anymore. At least I think that's what happened, its been a long time since I last read the book.

 

Anyways, I hope everything goes well for you all. I can understand how it can be pretty jarring, but just treat everyone nicely and with respect and consideration and it should all turn out alright. Best of luck to you.

[KruegerMeister]

I don't really get it. How can someone forget something like having absolute control over their body, and why wouldn't their tulpa remind them (I'm not saying that their tulpa wouldn't, but you didn't really bring that up)? I heard that DID was caused by a chemical imbalance (or maybe I'm thinking of schizophrenia, idk).

[Raechill]

Chemicals have to be "unbalanced" in order to display "symptoms"of any disorder, from OCD and anxiety disorders to depression to schizophrenia and DID. Without the right combination of specific levels of specific neurotransmitters, this disorders usually cease to display their full effect on the individual. When a person takes a hallucinogen, chemicals are imbalanced, albeit temporary, and the individual will experience things that don't exist.

 

It could be that OP had a full blown case of DID as a child, recovered from it once life was stable, and when he created Eri, he inadvertently opened the chemical combination to his DID so many years before. It would make sense that he didn't remember much, if anything at all, about the events of his childhood since they may have been locked away with Eri.

 

Source: BA in Psych, and having a similar situation with my tulpa, River. He's not yet developed enough for me and him to get to the source of the memories I've been regaining during his creation process. I confess I don't know the ins and outs of DID required to speak on it with any level if expertise, and nor would I want to speak about OP's experience from the standpoint of a disorder. It's a dirty, nasty way of describing a strategy for coping and overcoming trauma.