Reverse parroting/ puppeting theory

[Guest]

You always doubted me, Avalanche. ;)

[Avalanche]

And I always will.

 

I'm Atheist.

[Guest]

Checkmate.

 

 

jk I'm not really Christian; carry on with the discussion.

 

[NED]

what the fuck just happened?

 

Anyway, since I've just started narration and stuff, do you guys think i should try this?

[FigN01]

Check my progress. Like, all of it. I started out parroting something fierce, and I didn't know whether it was a tulpa or not, so I kept it up thinking I was going somewhere. It was slow, slow progress, picking out whatever genuine signs of sentience I could, and from that, yes, I developed a now sentient tulpa. But I don't believe parroting into sentience is a good method for you or the tulpa at all. Mine agrees with me.

 

Here's what actually happens: you parrot all the fucking time, right? Well sooner or later, you pick up something that feels sentient, so you try to confirm it by prodding at whatever you got. Your prodding gets something else that might be another parrot, but you go with it. You keep developing what you believe to be sentience while trying to lessen the parrots, which get more convincing all the time as real responses. Sooner or later, you doubt whether the sentience you saw was real. You have a small crisis and try another method of forcing to see if that goes anywhere. Repeat. You end up in a cycle of very stressful almost sentience that you think a tulpa is lurking behind, but it's all drowned out by the obnoxious squawking of your own damn voice that you can never be confident that you've stripped away to actually hear your tulpa. You doubt all the progress you've made. You doubt that your tulpa exists. You get pissed at the whole damn process.

 

Meanwhile, your poor tulpa is being jerked and dragged along, unable to help you with what you think you might have been doing right or wrong because even if s/he gets anything across, you eventually dismiss what is said because you don't trust your own judgment. The tulpa develops, but it's not a pleasant experience for them either because while you're pretending that your ragdoll over there is real, most of the time the actual tulpa doesn't get any of the interaction s/he really needs. So when you have your crisis, doubting your tulpa exists, that really hurts. Because s/he does, but just can't make any contact that you can accept.

 

This method isn't fun for anyone. I got visualization down well, but after a month of endless parroting, we agreed that my tulpa would go completely mute until he feels I'll be able to hear him. We've started from the beginning, because that's the only way to make progress anymore. I'm just lucky that my visualization has been good, but for someone who doesn't have that skill, I don't think they'd have such success.

 

Don't use parroting.

[NED]

Yes, I kinda guessed full on parroting IS bad, but i personally feel a little forced parroting here and there will be healthy so the tulpa will know more about itself and how it acts.

[Guest]

Sooner or later, you doubt whether the sentience you saw was real. You have a small crisis and try another method of forcing to see if that goes anywhere.

Picture this: you don't doubt yourself.

 

The whole scene changes.

[Avalanche]

Thank you FigN01, summarised what I was trying to say.

[NED]

In my last session, I forced her to say a few words and when i puppeted her, i told her why she would move in that way.

 

I felt what I was doing was right.

 

Isn't that enough?

[Guest]

If it felt right, then sure.

 

I did a similar thing with Louis, actually; I made him talk with me and move, but I would explain to him why he did all these actions as I imagined him do them.