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[KHost]

But unfortunately, because newcomers (or just anyone really) tend to salvage as much of their personal life to themselves, we can’t know their position, so we may go back to the same model of the newcomer we’ve subscribed to for so long.

 

K: I'm speaking as a newcomer, and as a tulpa. You're absolutely right. However, I'm afraid this can't be helped. Precisely because we are newcomers, we don't know you. We have no idea who we're talking to. How could we talk about our personal lives right away?

I'm really sorry, but I guess this is just how relationships work.

 

It’s home to me, and maybe a horrible one where I don’t feel like I can stay for very long, but the potential for the connection where people take great efforts to understand each other will always be some inspiration for me, even if this forum should ever dissipate, there’s going to be other ones to take its place.

 

K: Before registering I spent quite a lot of time reading old threads, and I can only say that it's amazing how much passion people are putting into this forum. I mean, if I had something to teach like you have, and I was faced with all those people asking all those questions, I would've given up a long time ago. Still, you all keep repeating your lessons even if you don't know if your message will get through. Not for money, and definitely not for fame. It's just incredible.

Well, I guess this is just how teaching works?

 

Though with the same old, same old, if there's a larger audience that comes from this, we may have people that give a decent backstory along with their tulpa endeavors that may want to distinguish themselves from the baseless (and often ignorant) assumption we may have of the individual being some brony-harem-6-tited-vore fanatics.

 

K: This thread is not the place, but if you need any help or want to ask me any questions, just give me a call! You or anyone else. I'll do my best. And my master too, even if he's a lazy ass.

 

Sometimes I feel I’m walking through a post-apocalyptic environment in this forum at times, and trying to be like Batman

 

K: ... But I'll pretend I never read this, okay?

[Linkzelda]

K: I'm speaking as a newcomer, and as a tulpa. You're absolutely right. However, I'm afraid this can't be helped. Precisely because we are newcomers, we don't know you. We have no idea who we're talking to. How could we talk about our personal lives right away?

I'm really sorry, but I guess this is just how relationships work.

 

This isn’t a demand for people to give a sequential timeline of their life so far. Just general statements without putting in actual names of individuals they know, or even themselves. Something like “I’m the kind of person that tries to keep promises,” or just anything where people could understand how they may react to things. Because chances are, those people are going to use what they know, and how they behave to situations in general to assess the whole tulpa endeavor.

 

I’m well aware of the dead-end when it comes to getting the general idea behind the poster, so you’re only preaching to the choir here. As for relationships and the Internet, we’re just talking about general interactions, not personal and potentially intimate bonding with strangers that happen at first glance of each other’s text. There’s really nothing to be sorry about if we know this can’t be helped. Just a matter of awareness to those who may find an excuse for the forum crumbling down, or something deeper than that. Sometimes what we feel would be so obvious may not be so for others, i.e., what we personally learn can’t be something we presume came to awareness to others.

 

 

This is the part where IRC comes in for the close-knit relationship building, so I do apologize for leaving that part out.

 

The general idea, most specifically aimed for older members, is to just put themselves in the position that they can’t presume people to know what’s going on in their mind, and just because they couldn’t understand them, that they’ll label them as incompetent, or just illiterate.

 

 

Well' date=' I guess this is just how teaching works?[/quote']

 

Agreed. Couldn't have said it any better.

 

K: ... But I'll pretend I never read this' date=' okay?[/quote']

 

I guess that was the part of my post that was a bit emotive, and you probably reacted to it as if it was weird (or maybe not), which is perfectly fine. I guess people just have a different perception when they go through a general timeline of the forum so far. You saw the forum in a different light because those events already happened, so it’s easier to use the imaginary objective view where how a person felt when interacting with others is completely gone, and can find the underlying reasons behind everything.

 

Even though I was a few months off from the initial point of the forum’s release, I did lurk through threads before, and it was quite easy to see that because that was a point where any idea could’ve been the next big thing, or a person could be a pioneer on certain ideas and methodologies, this would give the impression to those that were in those moments that it was a time that could be considered a Golden Age for the forum.

 

Simply because people were there to back you up, and not set up Salem Witch trial hunts on who would be roleplaying, or things they feel were completely bullshit; when they saw someone make a commitment in a progress report, they were inspired rather than seeing it as a waste of Internet space for attention. In other words, no one was in the position at those times to be overly critical of others (other than just healthy skepticism) seeing how being gregarious was crucial for making a cumulative knowledge base, and that same gregarious nature will always be essential. It seemed people were in a “yes” state for most things, and when people start using retrospect, criticism came along.

 

This is why I used the example with the post-apocalyptic environment because it seems people are trying to give the impression that the forum isn’t what it used to be when it was a bit silly most of the times, and had a 4chan mentality to it. It’s like saying:

 

“Hey, we don’t buy into the nonsense with bronies/*insert concept that can be rule34’d*, and whatever the Internet thinks makes us a bunch of people in an imaginary mental institution. And because we gloss over the “For Science” attitude, an aura of professionalism must be sustained to hopefully galvanize any scientific community to realize that people can’t be bullshitting themselves for so long in this, and actually try to make deep discussions about the concept. We don’t do any National Enquirer stuff that post leaked logs of admins and mods with god complexes, or the traumatic experience of seeing one’s tulpa in brackets or {[(*&^%%)]{{}}...we’re really serious this time, we think.”

 

If threads mostly pertaining to topics mentioned in the above generalization wasn’t filtered out of this forum, you’d probably have a cynical mixed view. But hey, just putting it out there since seeing that stuff before was comical.

 

K: This thread is not the place' date=' but if you need any help or want to ask me any questions, just give me a call! You or anyone else. I'll do my best. And my master too, even if he's a lazy ass.[/quote']

 

I feel things like this do relate to the general premises implied in this thread. There were just too few people willing to help that had too many queries to answer, and they were burnt out. The more we build some communal force where people are at least aware of general concepts behind tulpas, and know several modes of assessing things, the less it seems like a daycare center going out of control, and more of an actual forum. Realistically, that might take years, and even that may be an understatement.

 

But what you said is what I meant with the community hopefully having people who are willing to have conversations on any level, and do some group thinking in the IRCs as another mode of communicating, and in this section that could potentially lead to the “revolutionary,” and “pioneer” type of advancements Xeare was questioning about. It seems the community may need strong philosophical support before more scientific interest could even be invested on the concept; the technical side, like the methodologies, seems to be easy to comprehend as long as the person invested in a decent amount of time researching them.

 

But this is merely from a standpoint where I feel Philosophy and Science go hand in hand with each other to help conceive a knowable world, and maybe this whole experience. If we can go in-depth in discussions behind the philosophy and intentions behind those methods and such, maybe then we can see more outsourcing of ideas that could potentially enter the domain of Science.

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[Dog]

Guess we'll see after a while if anything interesting happens.

Don't worry, nothing interesting ever happens around here

[KHost]

It seems the community may need strong philosophical support before more scientific interest could even be invested on the concept

 

K: So, since this is a "recap" thread... how far have you gone with philosophy? Do you people have something like a general theory on what tulpas are, what they're supposed to do with their lives, and "big questions" like these?

We read a couple of guides and the sections on the home site, but they feel a bit vague... I know there are many theories about tulpas, but I wonder if you have some kind of common philosophical base? Beyond the simple notion that "tulpas are mental companions that can do this and that", I mean.

(I'm asking everybody, not just Linkzelda)

 

Don't worry, nothing interesting ever happens around here

 

K: Ok, now I'm starting to understand Linkzelda's metaphor about the post-apocalyptic environment! hahaha

[Argentum]

And as for the suggestion to check the Vice article, I am aware of how people react to certain phenomenon like this. I've seen people see this as potential to improve and up the standards, and others who just want to pack their bags, and leave before the Salem Witch Trials they're paranoid about ever begins.

 

As much as people may want to stay in this forum, it wasn't too long before another article referencing to the phenomenon would make them have second doubts of sustaining their anonymous stay here. Maybe that could be the right direction to take for the time being, but who knows?

 

All your standards are belong to edgy teenagers. There's nothing left. Pack your bags before e-bola comes and spreads her love.

 

I don't think leaving is the right action. I think trying to maintain standards, and upping our game is the best way to keep the site looking good, and to keep trolls off keyboards. If we all up and left when another article came around, and however much I pouted and shitposted about it, I can't leave. Legitimate people can't leave. If this happens, this murky army of trolls has won. Stand our ground, and take .info back!

[Nobillis]

K: So, since this is a "recap" thread... how far have you gone with philosophy? Do you people have something like a general theory on what tulpas are, what they're supposed to do with their lives, and "big questions" like these?

We read a couple of guides and the sections on the home site, but they feel a bit vague... I know there are many theories about tulpas, but I wonder if you have some kind of common philosophical base? Beyond the simple notion that "tulpas are mental companions that can do this and that", I mean.

(I'm asking everybody, not just Linkzelda)

 

O.k., a quick re-cap of what I base my philosophical view of tulpas on. First, written information, in no particular order :

 

• To start, the New York Times article presents some ideas, and includes references to an interview with Biotechnology.
• Neuron’s Gone Wild gives an interesting idea how tulpas could form from the natural activities of the brain.
  
• The Illusion of Independent Agency : Do Adult Fiction Writers Experience Their Characters as Having Minds of Their Own studies how writers create tulpa-like characters. It seems character creation is very similar to how tulpas are made - well, at least to me it does.
  
• Pleeb's Tulpa Lecture from about a year ago summs up pretty much how I view tulpas. The 'kerin' in the discussion is one of our tulpas.
  
• A number of historical references to tulpa-related things have also influenced my ideas about tulpas.
  
• I think possibly the first written reference to a tulpa was by Socrates
  
• It is my thought that some of modern Psychology originated from tulpas, as Carl Jung seems to imply.

 

Now, the rest comes from my family's experience with tulpas. When I say my family, I mean the extended family which we jokingly call the McCaw Clan. This experience has been long (over 50 years), and quite different to much of the community's experience. So, I guess much of what we had assumed about tulpas differs from the general consensus. Also, much of what we learned was by trial-and-error (and slow in the extreme) - so our thoughts are possibly somewhat "dated" as well.

 

First there are Tribal Tulpas which seem to be rare relative to the usual tulpas you will meet. They are distinguished by being shared amongst a family or a particular group. We've not yet met another family that has them. That is where our experience of tulpas started. We call them Mythical Beasts after the 1959 book (of the same name).

 

Then, in 1970 (approx.) Kevin found a book about making Thought Friends (tulpas). From this he learned about paracosms (wonderlands), The Stairs Method for entering a paracosm (this method is still in use today), and how a tulpa can help you with your problems of self-esteem. The book had other things relating to tulpas, in plain English. Sadly, that book was lost decades ago and is somewhat of a sore point now with Kevin as people harras him a bit along the lines of "how could you lose something like that?" They forget, this was before the internet existed. Books in the 70's tended to disintegrate due to the acidity of the paper.

 

1974, Doctor Who - Planet of the Spiders was a story involving Tibetan monks and one of the characters was even stated to be a tulpa. This story reintroduced Kevin to the concept (something he had 'given up' on as he had thought it didn't work - which was later to be shown that it did work).

 

Anyways, the above three things lead to Kevin's first tulpa kerin; and she created me to represent some of the tulpas from last century.

[Linkzelda]

So' date=' since this is a "recap" thread... how far have you gone with philosophy? Do you people have something like a general theory on what tulpas are, what they're supposed to do with their lives, and "big questions" like these?[/quote']

 

There hasn’t been a direct approach in finding terms that can coincide to the things we do, how we assess, and how we feel we should live with tulpas. I actually have a lot of things to discuss about in the future, and they’ve been lingering in my mind for god knows how long. I think what’s holding me back from contributing to that is finding laymen’s terms and cliff notes/tl;dr to make things easier to comprehend to those who may not care to google, or read a dictionary on certain terminology.

 

I was thinking of making threads where I just give general overviews, examples of how certain philosophies can coincide with the tulpa endeavor, and put in a disclaimer for others to take the notions very loosely, and them contributing their opinions on whether or not the philosophies could be compatible. I had intentions to start small, and maybe talk about serious topics that may cause controversy, but healthy controversy knowing that everything discussed about will just be speculations, and not things one should integrate as the absolute way of living with tulpas.

 

We read a couple of guides and the sections on the home site, but they feel a bit vague... I know there are many theories about tulpas, but I wonder if you have some kind of common philosophical base? Beyond the simple notion that "tulpas are mental companions that can do this and that", I mean.

(I'm asking everybody, not just Linkzelda)

 

Seeing this made me motivated to start on what I feel could be a common philosophy we all share. But it’s more of a thesis where one could react in a certain way, and forge their own collection of philosophies, i.e., it’s not so much a philosophy you have to live by, but just one where it’s a pre-cursor for you to create your own with them.

 

I don't think leaving is the right action. I think trying to maintain standards, and upping our game is the best way to keep the site looking good, and to keep trolls off keyboards. If we all up and left when another article came around, and however much I pouted and shitposted about it, I can't leave. Legitimate people can't leave. If this happens, this murky army of trolls has won. Stand our ground, and take .info back!

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The revolution begins now.

[KHost]

K: Thanks for the list, Nobillis! Now we have a clearer picture!

 

studies how writers create tulpa-like characters. It seems character creation is very similar to how tulpas are made - well, at least to me it does.

 

KHost: That's true. I write plays as a hobby and I can say that it's rewarding to imagine your characters as tulpas. You can describe them better as independent and "real" people. If you spend time with them, you understand better how they talk and think, and it'll be much easier to write their lines.

 

K: Pleeb said that narration is the key to a good tulpa, right? We totally agree with that! Please narrate us! (I wonder if that's good English...)

By the way, the talk about killing tulpas was interesting too, even though it gave me the chills for obvious reasons. So, if you want to kill a tulpa, you just stop thinking about him/her? Good luck with that.

 

So, I guess much of what we had assumed about tulpas differs from the general consensus. Also, much of what we learned was by trial-and-error (and slow in the extreme) - so our thoughts are possibly somewhat "dated" as well.

 

K: We can relate to that. We don't have the same huge experience that you have, but I was created independently too, so we probably have a lot of differences. Anyway, I believe that if your thoughts work for you and your tulpas, they can't be "dated".

 

First there are Tribal Tulpas which seem to be rare relative to the usual tulpas you will meet. They are distinguished by being shared amongst a family or a particular group. We've not yet met another family that has them. That is where our experience of tulpas started.

 

K: You have something like that in your family? That's SO cool. It must be like having a tribal totem, or domestic Lares... you've got quite a family!

 

I was thinking of making threads where I just give general overviews, examples of how certain philosophies can coincide with the tulpa endeavor

 

K: I see you started with existentialism. Let's see how it turns out!

[Kalyrian]

Yeah, not much has happened for the 2 months or so I've lurked here.

 

I really wanted to become a member of the community and contribute, but I've still only been doing tulpa stuff for about five months and now that I've got school I barely even touch the forums once a week, and when I do it's just the same old repetitive newb questions on GD and Q&A.

 

I really wish people posted more on the research board.