Knowledge beyond the hosts' knowledge?

[AlienLoveSecrets]

Hello! I'm new here, and have picked up an interest in tulpas again after a, uhh, I'll just call it an "unfortunate incident" I had with the concept when I was a silly little kid. So recently, a question came to mind: Do tolpas have the ability to know more about a certain subject or skill than the host? Say, if you give him/her the trait of being very knowledgeable in music theory or science, will the tolpa suddenly know more about the subject than the host does? I understand that this is a very silly question, since many people would quickly guess that they couldn't, since Tolpas only exist to the extent of the hosts' mind, but I'm still doing my research, and juuuuuust in case I'm wrong about the majority having that guess, I'd like to hear from some people more experienced than me: can Tolpa's know things the host doesn't know?

[Laach]

My tulpa is at least 10 times smarter than me. I didn't intend for it to be that way though, so who knows.

She can outsmart me because her logic and understanding capabilities are much greater than mine. She isn't psychic though, so I don't expect her to know the answers to my tests or anything like that. In fact she likes to guess on things like those whenever I ask for her help.

[bunny-boi-lover]

She can outsmart me because her logic and understanding capabilities are much greater than mine.

 

Logic and knowledge are two different things. I believe the OP is referring to actual textbook knowledge of a subject.

 

As I understand it, that is not possible since the tulpa's knowledge is limited to that of the host. They would have no means of obtaining that knowledge without access to a source outside their host's mind, unless say they fully switched with the host and did research on their own and their host was unaware of what they had learned during that time.

 

Tulpae can be more logical than the host if the host's mind has that capacity and say there's something in the host's conscious mind or personality that hinders them from reaching the potential that their tulpa has achieved (no offense Laach :P).

 

But I don't want to try to disprove anything. I believe about anything is possible with tulpae. It seems to me that I've had tulpae in the past who knew things they shouldn't have, so I think more research would need to be done about that.

[Guest amber5885]

No.

 

They are limited to your mind because you share one.

 

For instance your tulpa can't know how to play guitar if you never learned.

 

Thu can however think differently than you, access your subconcious and offer unique perspectives which may make it seem like they are smarter when in reality they just think differently

[Laach]

Tulpae can be more logical than the host if the host's mind has that capacity and say there's something in the host's conscious mind or personality that hinders them from reaching the potential that their tulpa has achieved (no offense Laach :P).

 

None taken. I definitely have some personality problems that hinder my logical abilities. Although I wouldn't exactly call them problems, because they kind of help me survive in every day situations with real people.

[sushi]

The common belief is that tulpas can't know anything that the host doesn't, but may be more logical or creative or have better memory than the host.

 

On the other hand, there are those who suggest that tulpas can pick up subtle clues that the host isn't fully aware of, and thus piece together information that the host hasn't. I think Nobillis has a few stories about that sort of thing.

 

And people in the metaphysics section might believe that the tulpas can know all kinds of stuff outside the host's knowledge.

[bunny-boi-lover]

On the other hand, there are those who suggest that tulpas can pick up subtle clues that the host isn't fully aware of, and thus piece together information that the host hasn't.

 

I just wanted to elaborate on this so there is no confusion. The mind picks up on every minute little detail of everything it is exposed to, even if consciously we cannot recall it all. Tulpae are able to tap into those details. It is still limited to the host's own brain. For instance, say you walk by someone who has on a blue shirt and is wearing a wristwatch. You consciously notice the blue shirt, then your tulpa makes a comment about the watch. You have to look back to verify that indeed the person was wearing the watch. Your brain still registered it but consciously you didn't take notice.

 

Allow me to introduce another level to this discussion. Well before this thread was started, I was considering trying out Zenner cards with Edwin once he was more imposed. I'm not sure if the metaphysical section has anything on this, but it would be interesting to try out. Hold up the card and have the tulpa say what they see on the card, then turn it around and see if what they perceived is correct. Theoretically if that can be mastered, the host could achieve a sort of out-of-body secondary perspective through their tulpa.

 

I've had tulpae in the past and say I was at my desk or somewhere away from the window, and they look outside and remark about something they see. I go to the window and sure enough, they're right. Did my brain subconsciously know what was out there? Is my little bit of psychic intuition acting through my tulpa? That one is debatable.

[FallFamily]

Hail:

 

OK, so here is the deal, no one in the body can know a piece of information that has not been learned by someone in the body while controlling the body. So, until a tulpa can control the body on their own, they are limited by what the host is exposed to. If both host and tulpa/s are paying attention to the outside world, of course, one could retain a piece of knowledge while the other doesn't, so that is one way a tulpa could know something the host does not, but the host was still exposed to it. Now when a tulpa is controlling the body, they can learn things that the host may not. If doing possession or eclipsing, the host is still exposed to the knowledge, though their chances of retaining it goes down a bit (or a lot) while the tulpa's chances go up. With a full switch, the host won't get any of the knowledge the tulpa picks up unless they have some sort of memory sharing going on or some knowledge/skill leakage (things like body memory are easily leaked).

 

So, yes, a tulpa can learn things the host, but they need access to the body and either be better at retaining information upon exposure than the host or be able to do a full switch.

[tania]

Yes a tulpa can have knowledge outside of a hosts knowledge. Our normal waking minds are said to only pick up and register a very small amount of things we experience -see, hear etc .. I've forgotten now how much it has been said to be but it may of been that we ourselves are only aware of 10-20% of the actual info we pick up while the other, say 80% is just sitting their in our subconsciousness with us not having any awareness of it.

 

Of cause the tupla though could possible access anything at all within our subconsciousness. Using this a tulpa could also find out new info by putting together that info together, new conclusions or discoveries in which we aren't aware

 

eg say if we were a police officer investigating a murder... the policeman my not figure out who done it but his tulpa may if there was clues at the crime scene or whatever, things the policeman didn't notice, very subtle stuff the subconsciousness may of put together.

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Being into metaphysics myself, I think also our energy can pick up things from other places too and then put that into our subconsciousness so may have knowledge we don't have by that too eg on rare occasions I get intuition about things I shouldn't or couldn't have known unless they were psychically picked up. I would think being connected to my subconsciousness where this info first goes, my tulpa would get more of this then me. (I guess I'll find out if I continue working with Jesse and don't go on another long break).

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I use my tulpa to help me find things I've misplaced./lost and that often works great. I've sometimes done that when I've looked for ages for something and ended up giving up looking for it.. only to have him lead me directly straight to the thing. eg one time something got accidently shut in a book, he lead me right to the book and had me open it and there was the thing.

 

That occasion was interesting as I'd thought this thing would be obvious if shut in a book so thought he was leading me into a wild goose chase but just went along with it to see what he'd do when the object wasn't there, but it really was there. The book had been bumped shut and the object must of fallen off the bed onto it or got in there 'some how". I've got no idea how it got there, I guess things must of been knocked but I don't think I'd even looked at it.

[Elvode]

I believe it is possible, it was my tulpa who taught me possession, switching and imposition, I found out about tulpas and that others were doing those things as well last month, we never used those terms for it so that was quite knew for me to learn.

But I agree with above posts also, my tulpa have always known about things that I do not such as cooking and mathematics for example but he used to say "you already know those things." we have a lot more information going on then we are aware of.

But I do not believe you can create a tulpa to be knowledgeable about music theory and expect it to know more than the host, what he taught me about possession and such was about what we can achieve together, working as a team in daily life and no one knows more about what he's capable of than himself. :P