A guide makes me afraid to make a tulpa.

[Thatrandomnerd1]

I was searching through the forums looking for guides for research and i found one and started reading it. It started out good and informative but, then I got to an area where it had lists and descriptions of what people shouldn't make Tulpas. It said teens which automatically rules me out (I'm 15). Then it talked about you shouldn't make a Tulpa because you think it's cool or would be fun.

 

This has deterred me from making my own Tulpa. It also has given me the feeling that if I did make a Tulpa and told people about myself that they would think I'm stupid or not fit to have a Tulpas. This has discouraged me from this community.

 

Feel like I'm in a place I shouldn't be here in this community.

 

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[Linkzelda]

It's probably the other way around where you would feel as if you were ostracized and absolved from your family, friends, and such if they didn't react to the concept as well, especially you wanting to go further with that. As for the actual guide(s) that has made you feel this way, those are merely opinions, and for you to feel like this makes me presume that you felt said guide(s) should merit you feeling like a disgrace, or unsuited for creating a tulpa. In other words, the guides themselves shouldn't wholly dictate how you should assess yourself in terms of creating one, but as for introducing the concept to others, that's another story.

 

If you feel that you can embrace, for better or for worse, on what would happen if others knew you were making a tulpa outside of this forum, that's up to you to decide. But, it might be good to check out threads where people offer their opinions on living in solitude with the concept of tulpas, or telling others, and facing the unpredictable ways of human nature.

 

I'm not sure if you're going to be a pariah in the forum when there's people sharing the same sentiment as you are.

[Thatrandomnerd1]

It's probably the other way around where you would feel as if you were ostracized and absolved from your family, friends, and such if they didn't react to the concept as well, especially you wanting to go further with that. As for the actual guide(s) that has made you feel this way, those are merely opinions, and for you to feel like this makes me presume that you felt said guide(s) should merit you feeling like a disgrace, or unsuited for creating a tulpa. In other words, the guides themselves shouldn't wholly dictate how you should assess yourself in terms of creating one, but as for introducing the concept to others, that's another story.

 

If you feel that you can embrace, for better or for worse, on what would happen if others knew you were making a tulpa outside of this forum, that's up to you to decide. But, it might be good to check out threads where people offer their opinions on living in solitude with the concept of tulpas, or telling others, and facing the unpredictable ways of human nature.

 

I'm not sure if you're going to be a pariah in the forum when there's people sharing the same sentiment as you are.

 

you're right. I shouldn't let a guide to assist keep me from doing this. It's my choice. My mind. I can do as i please. Besides no guarantee that within the next year or so i'll get any results so there's that.

[Linkzelda]

Also, another thing to point out, just in case:

 

Individuals that may give negative connotations towards the concept are probably ones who developed experiential learning towards the mannerisms, methodologies, theorizing, and anything associated with tulpas. They had the time to self-reflect on those experiences, and just like the answer you found for yourself, they forged their own assessment on their future towards tulpas. It's easy for us to glance over that period of self-reflection they had (because we weren't necessarily in their private, subjective experience), and to truly take their professions as a law, even to the point of an end-game moral obligation.

 

And if you're in for healthy skepticism, if I'm even using the term correctly, if reigning in the existence of a tulpa ends up being difficult for you, even to the point of becoming a moral challenge for you, another analogue I tend to do a comparative analysis on are dream characters that exist in our natural sleep. They may be able to emulate attributes we may tend to treat a tulpa as sentient towards, but the moment we wake up, the dream character's existence and sustainability to us is probably contingent on how much we want to further them being significant to us to share memories and experiences with; tie that in with tulpas, and it's no surprise that one would question the whole ethical debates on the sustainability of tulpas; what's stopping someone from questioning the exceptions made for tulpas that they completely glance over and override for dream characters?

 

In my opinion, there's not much of a gap with the treating as sentient thing other than the shift in awareness we experience with waking life vs. dreaming experiences. And I feel, if a person can come to terms to that, and forge their answers after finding the right questions, there could be a sense of liberation in spite of knowing that things like dissipation, and such, isn't always something easy to tackle. But, in spite of that, the efforts taken to understand it all, might be a useful stepping stone in taking ownership of anything one feels was an act of bad faith.

 

Sometimes, it's through things like that, that we can create a better future with them, or just ourselves if that is the decision made.

[Guest Anonymous]

 

you're right. I shouldn't let a guide to assist keep me from doing this. It's my choice. My mind. I can do as i please. Besides no guarantee that within the next year or so i'll get any results so there's that.

 

For the love of God get rid of that mentality. "My mind", this will stop being your mind exclusively as soon as your tulpa becomes sentient, or even has a presence. Think of them and don't neglect them when you put those things into equation please. You should think about whether your environment is one that would serve well in the development of a tulpa, and if you're truly ready for a tulpa. I don't blame the guides for sounding serious, most kids make a tulpa because they think it's cool and then want to get rid of them after a while because they're out of that phase, but this can be a lifelong commitment, one you cannot neglect. Think again.

[Linkzelda]

You make it seem like the commitment is an inherent thing that no one can absolve themselves from.

[Guest Anonymous]

You make it seem like the commitment is an inherent thing that no one can absolve themselves from.

 

That would be extremely relative, Linkzelda. It extremely depends on how his tulpa would turn out to be but at first stages attention and commitment to this whole thing is primordial. Most teenagers, with no offense meant, make (insta)tulpas that are underdeveloped and keep them that way for selfish purposes. At some point later on in life, sure, I mean, if a tulpa can live 'alone' in a wonderland but still come into interaction with their host, that's cool and all, but in the end, tulpas are beings that heavily rely on our attention, especially at the first stages, and he does seem like a newbie so I thought I'd make him understand that. Yep, you're right, though. I'm making it seem like it's an inherent thing that no one can absolve themselves from for him to realize how important development, and, well, his decisions can affect his future-tulpa. I can't say "it's my mind I do what I want" that would be a crime towards my own tulpa in that case because she's there so I can't do whatever I want to my mind.

[Thatrandomnerd1]

 

For the love of God get rid of that mentality. "My mind", this will stop being your mind exclusively as soon as your tulpa becomes sentient, or even has a presence. Think of them and don't neglect them when you put those things into equation please. You should think about whether your environment is one that would serve well in the development of a tulpa, and if you're truly ready for a tulpa. I don't blame the guides for sounding serious, most kids make a tulpa because they think it's cool and then want to get rid of them after a while because they're out of that phase, but this can be a lifelong commitment, one you cannot neglect. Think again.

 

You took that out of context. I'm saying that people can't tell me I can't make a Tulpa. It's my mind and I can make a Tulpa to share it with if I want. Sorry if this seems rude I just wanted to clear it up.

[Linkzelda]

I can't say "it's my mind I do what I want" that would be a crime towards my own tulpa in that case because she's there so I can't do whatever I want to my mind.

 

So by creating a hypothetical model that one cannot do whatever they want in their head, or at least revel in whatever they can in their imagination, it would suddenly prevent any, or most circumstances of harm being done on a tulpa. A type of harm, or detriment (psychosomatic at best unless there’s physiological repercussions going on) that almost seems partially contingent on the person imagining that there would be repercussions either way (consciously, and/or there being an underlying schemata of it being that way), and having solid understanding of whatever degree of sensation a tulpa may have because of that.

 

I guess something like that would seem pragmatic if one didn’t take into consideration of how far they want to theorize what it means for a tulpa to be sentient. The statement you made with it being a crime to say “it’s my mind, I do what I want,” makes it seem that our decisions alone, even underlying ones not referred to consciously dictate the fate of a tulpa’s existence. And by that logic, it seems inescapable for a tulpa to exist in a flourishing manner unless the host themselves find acts of good faith to prevent those worst case scenarios. And if their existence was inherently contingent on acts of good/bad faith from the host, then that would probably entail that our own mind, in which the tulpa would be presumed to share with, contributes to an ultimate agenda behind a tulpa existing.

 

In other words, it seems almost deterministic, and to absolve yourself from saying “it’s my mind, I do what I want,” seems meaningless as the premise of finding acts of good faith to prevent doing whatever a person wants to do in their mind in fear of repercussions is contingent on what really is an act of good faith towards sustaining a flourishing type of development for a tulpa. It seems that this militant course of action to find what’s right and wrong entails an ambition to reign in control of one’s everyday cognition for the sake of flourishing development of a tulpa. It seems that by this series of circumstances, not reigning in everyday cognition and such would be an act of bad faith, because who knows what other predisposed habits might magically appear, and suddenly take control and affect a tulpa?

 

Long story short, I’m sure a person can say they can do whatever they want in their mind, and even a tulpa stating they can do whatever they want in their mind if we’re treating this as an implicit experience of them being able to have their own cognitive sphere within the grandiose sphere of our minds. However, it probably depends on how grandiose we want to conceptualize our minds in the first place, so either professions are moot, I guess.

[Guest Anonymous]

It wouldn't prevent, it would make them think twice about it, it could potentially prevent that from happening, certainly, it has the potential and all.

 

I might sound a bit stupid while answering so my apologies. I for one care for my tulpa's well-being and sanity. Who knows. Some people don't have the time to make a tulpa yet still throw themselves into it and forcing sessions (ones you seem to be quite the enthusiast in, haha) become so rare and short in duration. I don't know, I'm just considering that you can't really say that "It's my mind I do what I want" because the tulpa is affected regardless. With that logic I could just burn down a wonderland or completely alter whatever my tulpa is about saying "Oh it's my mind, don't like it? Too bad, I do what I want". I'm just speaking like this because I'm a pro-tulpa"rights" peasant. They can say that but it has its degrees, I don't mean to sound like a zealot and claim that you can't say what you want, and doing what you want with your mind is a natural right, but it has its extents and degrees considering you intend on having another being in there. Now that mentality isn't counter-productive when making a tulpa but it can be like that if you keep in mind "Oh this is my mind so I'll do whatevs and my tulpa will have to deal with it", and I've encountered many hosts and tulpas alike who have a sense of property over, well, the mind, indeed, while still holding limitations on what to do. Personally I'd be like "This is my mind, sure, I can do a lot of things but I can't do stuff that my tulpa would wholeheartedly disagree with, with her being and 'soul' (if you know what I'm saying)", I'd take my tulpa's position over whatever I'd do in the future because I, personally, genuinely care.

 

Now the case might differ for other folks and I could be very much wrong and you could be right over this, I'm not really trying to contradict anything right here but I just thought I'd try to make my point a bit clearer. Apologies if I was not clear enough, it's getting late here and while I do know it is a bit impolite to answer in such conditions I found less offense in this than not answering at all for the time being.